Key signature: Dmajor
Submitted on November 15th 2007 by Falkbeer.
This tune has been added to 12 tunebooks.
Recordings of a tune by this name:
X: 1
T: Gavotte
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: Dmaj
"D"abaf "A7"gage | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 | "A7/C#"gage "D"fgfd | "A"e2{^g}a2A2z2 |
"D"abaf "A7"gage | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 | "bm"f2dB"E7"d2B^G | "A"A2{^g}a2"A7"A2z2 :|
"A7/C#"egfa "A7/E"gfed | "A7/C#"c2e2"A7"g2z2 | "D"fagb "D/A"agfe | "D"d2f2"D/A"a2z2 |
"G"baag "G/B"gffe | "em"e2g2"em/G"b2z2 | "D/A"afcd "A7"geBc | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 |]
|: "D"f2f2"A7/E"g2g2 | "D/F#"ad'c'd'a2z2 | "D/F#"d2d2"A"e2e2 | "D"f/a/^g/a/ b/a/=g/f/ "A"eAcA |
"G"B2dBb2B2 | "D/F#"A2dAa2A2 | "A7/C#"{e}gzA2"D"{d}fzA2 | "A"e2e/f/g/f/e2z2 :|
|:"A"g2g/f/e/d/ czc'z | "D"d'zA zd2z2 | "A"g2g/f/e/d/ czc'z | "D"d'zdz f2z2 |
"G"Bzd/c/B/A/ Gzbz | "D"AzA/B/A/G/ Fzaz | "G"gzb/a/g/f/ "A7"ezc'z | "D"d'2d2D2z2 :|
"D"abaf "A7"gage | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 | "A7/C#"gage "D"fgfd | "A"e2{^g}a2A2z2 |
"D"abaf "A7"gage | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 | "bm"f2dB"E7"d2B^G | "A"A2{^g}a2"A7"A2z2 |
"A7/C#"egfa "A7/E"gfed | "A7/C#"c2e2"A7"g2z2 | "D"fagb "D/A"agfe | "D"d2f2"D/A"a2z2 |
"G"baag "G/B"gffe | "em"e2g2"em/G"b2z2 | "D/A"afcd "A7"geBc | "D"d2{c'}d'2d2z2 |]
Gavotte by Gossec
A happy and cheerful Gavotte by the french composer Francois-Joseph Gossec (1734-1829). Originally for violin but in this key it´s easy to play and sounds good on the flute and the tin whistle too! It should be played rather fast (more like alla breve - or 2/4)
# Posted on November 15th 2007 by Falkbeer
Sure it's a nice melody, BUT once more another non-irish tune ??????????
# Posted on November 15th 2007 by ceili
This is a tune from a different genre, and should be deleted.
# Posted on November 15th 2007 by slainte
Maybe there should be a 'deleted tunes' category, that way we could get rid of a good third of the content on this site and still make everyone happy (?)
..or a good old fashioned book burning, print it up and then destroy it, with everyone wearing little green armbands.
# Posted on November 16th 2007 by gravelwalks
Please explain...
Neither"ceili" nor "slainte" nor I have ever advocated "book burning". That is a total figment of your imagination. If you have evidence otherwise, please provide it, or retract that accusation. Could you also please explain why you think that a French gavotte is appropriate to appear on a website whose purpose is the promotion of Irish traditional music. ?
# Posted on November 16th 2007 by Kenny
I don't claim to have evidence of you or anyone else ever advocating book burning.
You are correct, it was a total figment of my imagination. I used it to incite
an argument, and for that I apologize. But I resent such calls for tunes to be removed,
because I believe it is a prescriptive practice that hurts the music. More often
than not these are fringe forms or styles, but I see plenty of that being represented
in Irish music. This isn't a recent practice, either, although in recent years our more
global sense of community has done its part in bringing about change more rapidly. This
site is a good example of that.
Moreover, I don't understand where you draw your line; if French and Scandinavian tunes
are going to be expelled on the grounds of being non-Irish, then shouldn't the
three-two's, mazurkas, polkas, strathspeys, Scottiches, plus Breton, Asturian, Northumbrian, English,
and American tunes, etc. be treated likewise? If there was a cut-off date for the
naturalization of other styles and forms into Irish music, then I was unaware of it.
Given the common roots shared by many of these tunes, it is important that they be included, if
not for any other reason, to inspire players to incorporate them in their sets. They make
for interesting discussions, as well. Many people on this site can agree that a slick,
homogenous, young and modern style isn't the most interesting or productive. Considering
how the function of the music has changed in the last 60 years, including other styles is
more important now than ever. I think this gavotte is a pertinent example of that and deserves
to stay.
Perhaps if a 'superstar' recording artist first played the tune on a well-received album,
it wouldn't draw as much fire and that doesn't seem fair.
Maybe I'm alone here?
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by gravelwalks
The composer wasn't French anyway, and this isn't a gavotte as a dance tune, either. It's just a classical piece and has nothing in common with traditional Irish, Scottish, or Breton tunes.
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by slainte
Please gentlemen!
I´d just like to point out that a lot of traditional irish musicians play tunes that aren´t pure irish. For instace, Mary Bergin plays a Riguadon by Rameau on Feadoga Stain 2, and Sean Ryan plays Seven Hops (originally a swedish piece called Livet i finnskogarna) on Take the Air. And what about Carolan tunes? He was very influated by the classical music of his day.
And what harm could there be if one or two pieces among 10.000 isn´t pure ITM? Musical boundaries aren´t as closed as nation boundaries.
If I had known this simple tune would provoce such a reaction among the members of the community I would´n have uploaded it....
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by Falkbeer
I was a little quick to make an asinine comment about something that I see going on here. It's more of an exclusive attitude I'm referring to, maybe something for a discussion thread and not a comment for a tune. I felt it should be addressed. This music is wider now and I don't see how additions like this one are harmful enough to warrant disposal.
It's a nice tune, by the way, and it is fun on the whistle.
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by gravelwalks
Don't be lazy. You should look for and transcribe traditional Irish tunes which haven't posted on this site.
It doesn't matter where a tune posted here originally come from, or who composed it. But is there any possibility that this classical piece will be incorporated into the musical tradition of a specific country, especially Ireland, in the future? I love Bach, but I wouldn't post any of the gigues he composed.
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by slainte
Proportions...
It's a question of proportion. As I post this, of the last 10 tunes posted here on the "Tunes posted" list, only 3 are Irish. I have no objection to people posting non-Irish tunes if they have posted Irish tunes as well. What I object to is the person who has posted 25 tunes here, and only 4 of them are Irish.
And "Falkbeer" - Mary Bergin has of course recorded "Riguadon", and excellent it is too - but she wouldn't play it in a session. How many non-Irish tunes do you see on her solo recordings ?
I agree "gravelwalks" - it's time for a discussion about what this site is about, and I'll instigate it next week unless you do it before me.
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by Kenny
FAQs ~
Partly your positive motivation, it has been touched on here, today ~
Discussion: To be Civil, or Not to be Civil.....
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by cheshire puddy tat
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/15825
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by ceolachan
If not always obvious, I am in agreement with Kenny... It is a question of proportion, as well with Narcisism and the self-composed...
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by ceolachan
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/7976/comments
# Posted on November 17th 2007 by ceolachan
Northumbriation
I think people have missed a point. The Irishness /Northumbrianness/Scottishness/etc of a tune often depends more on how it is played than where it came from. In the North-east we calle the process Northumbriation and it is the process which turns The Eavesdropper into Roman Wall.
I am certain that there is an equivalent process in Irish music which is why Northumbrian classics like Salmon Tails and several Newcastle hornp[ipes are part of the standard Irish repetoire.
I would hate to think that there was some kind of rule about what musicians could attempt and hence what could be posted on this site.
I've written out Greenday's Basketcase as a slide and play it with the Basket of Turf for a sicilian circle dance called Basketcase. It sounds very Irish but its a fabrication.
I would suggest that the filter process should be with individual players. try it, and if you don't like it let it die quietly.
Noel
Angels of the North
# Posted on November 19th 2007 by noelbats
Try it if you like, ignore it if you don't ~ in general...
Yes... Well said Noel. It isn't the tune or the form, but the percentages that were the conern raised by Kenny, and I agree with both ideas, including ~ try if you like, ignore it if you don't...
# Posted on November 19th 2007 by ceolachan
"Green Day" fan ~
But I haven't the recording "Basketcase"... So, where's the slide? I wanna see it and give it a try!!!
# Posted on November 19th 2007 by ceolachan
Not me...
I haven't missed any point. The point is that Jeremy created this website to promote, share and discuss traditional Irish music, or do you not believe that ? I honestly and sincerely believe he did not create "The Session" for French gavottes.
# Posted on November 20th 2007 by Kenny