The Session: Tunes - Morrison's Favourite (jig)

Paddy Cronin's - original title?

I’ve titled this as “Paddy Cronin’s” because I learned it from a recording made of him at the fiddle recital at last year’s Willie Clancy Week. He only played the 1 tune, and oddly, the first 3 or 4 times through, he played it without repeating the second part. The last twice he played it as posted, ie – AABB. If anyone has the correct name for this, I’d be grateful, but I’d rather it was titled to Paddy Cronin rather than yet another “Gan Ainm”. [ I may be posting a few of those in the near future, so any help would be appreciated.]

# Posted on January 28th 2005 by Kenny

Nice tune! BTW the mode is Dmix.

# Posted on January 28th 2005 by Dow

It reminds me of The Old Woman's Purse of Money: http://thesession.org/tunes/display.php/926 Of course, they're different.

# Posted on January 28th 2005 by slainte

Thanks NTO

I'll get the hang of modes one day! Thanks, Mark.

# Posted on January 28th 2005 by Kenny

Slide-like

Maybe it's just the timing in the second bar, but this sounds like it could make quite a nice slide.

I guess just about any jig could be re-written as a slide but this one seems particularly suitable. I had a bash at arranging it as a slide and this is what I came up with:

In any case, as a jig or a slide, it's a grand tune. But then, I'm real sucker for those Dmixolydian tunes... just about anything with "hag" in the title, for instance. :-)

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/index.php/search?name=hag&mode_id=12

# Posted on January 28th 2005 by Jeremy

The Hills Of Glenorchy

This tune is already in the data base by none other than slainte. He posted it in July 2002 under the name, "The Hills Of Glenorchy" in Edor.

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Phantom Button

It has its similarities but I wouldn't say it's the same tune.

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Dow

I also think they're different.

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by slainte

It's so similar that if someone posted it and said they wrote it I bet you'd tell them they just wrote Paddy Cronin's jig in a different key. This database is full of tunes with versions posted in the comments that are more different from the main one than these are. Look again.

Hey Dow, I have a novel idea; why not change your user name to "Mark" so we don't have to feel like we're talking to someone who answers the phone at the library. ;-)

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Phantom Button

Disagree

I know the "Hills Of Glenorchy", Jack, and if I had thought this was the same tune, I wouldn't have posted it in the first place. I can see the similarities when I look at and compare the sheetmusic of the 2 tunes, but I think I have a pretty good ear for recognising tunes, and I certainly never thought “Hills Of Glenorchy” when I heard Paddy Cronin playing this jig. At the end of the day, Jeremy decides, and if he wants to remove it, or relocate it to the “Comments” section for “HoG” , [ and he certainly hasn’t given any indication of that in his above comments ], that’s his prerogative, and we all live with it. Personally , I think it stands on its’ own, and if it was relegated to the “Comments” section, I would think that a pity.
You could always put it to the test at your local session. Play “Paddy Cronin’s” and then 15 minutes later, “The Hills Of Glenorchy”, and see if anyone says “Hey, you’ve already played that!”. I don’t think they would.

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Kenny

Kenny - Here are the ABCs for “Pat Burke's,” as they appeared recently on IRTRAD. This is what gave me the idea it might be the same tune. I recognized what you posted to be the same tune as this, and I noticed that “The Hills of Glenorchy” was included as a title of the ABCs from IRTRAD. Personally, I’m not concerned about whether Jeremy posts this stuff in the comments for the other tune – I just thought I’d point it out to whoever might be interested. I'm just about to learn this tune, but what Key to play it in is my real concern. But I guess since Kevin Gow's source is fellow sessioneer, Mary Logan, I'll learn it in this key.

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Phantom Button

I just looked, and Pat Burke's is in the data base too, but I'm sure all you fellas see a big difference.

http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/1392

# Posted on February 1st 2005 by Phantom Button

Actually yes I do. You've obviously been playing too many years if they're all starting to sound the same ;-)

# Posted on February 2nd 2005 by Dow

Including Out on the Ocean, too.

# Posted on February 2nd 2005 by slainte

Hahahaha! That in-joke's from a while ago...

# Posted on February 2nd 2005 by Dow

C naturally

I just realized I was playing this tune with C sharps. No wonder it sounded like those other tunes to me. I guess those other tunes are more like each other than this one. But you have to admit that waltz really did sound a lot like Out on the Ocean.

# Posted on February 3rd 2005 by Phantom Button

Recording found

Guitar player Paul de Grae located this tune on a record by a fiddle-player named Jackie Roche, recorded in the1950s. Mr Roche was apparently a pupil of James Morrison, and probably having no name for it, named it after his teacher. Jackie Roche, or his record, was Paddy Cronin's source for the tune, although having heard both versions, Paul reckoned that Paddy had introduced a few wee variations of his own.
My thanks to Paul for the information.

# Posted on February 7th 2006 by Kenny