The Session: Tunes - 4 Minutes 33 Seconds (waltz)

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Without doubt this will be the most played tune at sessions ever. Btw, in view of the key signature shouldn't it be in E-locrian rather than G-dorian?
Trevor

# Posted on January 16th 2004 by lazyhound

Yeah, I'm not so sure about the time signature either.

# Posted on January 16th 2004 by Jeremy

The problem with this tune is that too many people play it too fast just to show off. I hate that.

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Plunkett.mi

Oh, no, no, no, you couldn't play this one too fast OR too slow, there's that narrow margin in which it's right, everything else is wrong...

LOL -- you guys are hilarious...

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Zina Lee

And BTW, isn't this tune copyrighted? Isn't ASCAP or BMI going to come after us for this one?

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Zina Lee

4Min 33 sec

It is copyrighted.A band whose name escapes me put a silent track on a cd and were sucessfully sued by John Cage's estate.It's a mad,mad world.

# Posted on March 1st 2003 by dafydd

If you look up the links on the 4'33" discussion thread I think you'll find that the dispute was settled out of court, with a sizable sum being donated to John Cage's estate as a goodwill gesture. I gathered that no royalties will be paid to JC on the sales of that cd. On this basis the copyright position would therefore appear to be still undetermined. One thing is sure though, if a case like that ever ends up in court it's going to be a real money-spinner for the lawyers.
Btw, what do you call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the Atlantic?
Answer: not enough.
Trevor

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by lazyhound

What I want to know is who are the three people who added this to their tunebooks!?!?!

I'm going to teach this at our next slow session. In fact I'm going to start with this tune any time anyone complains that learning by ear is too difficult....

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Will CPT

I think you ought to put it in the next Helena Session Tune Book, Will...

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Zina Lee

But look out for the copyright!

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Zina Lee

Finally! A piece that I can play with all experienced ITM players everywhere!!!

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by golly

I don't know...it's hard to learn this one from the midi alone. I'd much rather hear it live. I'd better bring my tape recorder to the next session and politely ask if I can tape it.

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by Andee

Heck, I'll even volunteer to lead this one!!!

# Posted on January 17th 2004 by golly

4 minutes 33 seconds (waltz)

In line with the great tradition of Irish music whereby performers habitually make variations and versions of a tune on the hoof, I have decided on a version in which I have changed the first bar to |B4z2|, and the last bar to |E6||, and putting in a repeat of the section from bar 9 to bar 16.
This, incidentally, would appear get round any copyright problems.
I believe there is no copyright in the title of a work.

Trevor

# Posted on January 18th 2004 by lazyhound

4 Minutes 33 Seconds (waltz)

Every time I play it at the session, I get a lot of compliments.

# Posted on January 18th 2004 by gian marco

Great! Will try that tune at the next session. Difficult to stay quiet, but I think I'll get compliments as Gian did.

# Posted on January 19th 2004 by craics90

Harrumph

I've never heard it.

---Michael B.

# Posted on January 22nd 2004 by MichaelBolton

Popular with students?

So many of my students hum this one during oral exams.

# Posted on January 28th 2004 by EastPole

i've spent years on this one and i always seem to play it without any neagh!

# Posted on January 7th 2005 by daiv

They trashed this tune at the session last Sunday.

# Posted on January 7th 2005 by Phantom Button

4'3'3

Dosn't it annoy you when someone plays this tune for 4'3'4, or even, god forbid, 4'3'6.

# Posted on April 19th 2005 by red_haired_girl

Paddy Fahey's

This is all very droll. Is the music to the Paddy Fahey's on the Craobh Rua CD that is linked to this anywhere on the site?

# Posted on May 13th 2005 by Romkey

Try "search"

I think "Craobh Rua" recorded one of Paddy Fahy's jigs, but it would help if you told us what type of tune it is you're looking for and which of their recordings it's on. Do a search for Fahy, or Fahey on jigs and you'll get 6 choices.

# Posted on May 14th 2005 by Kenny

This tune is best played all night on the Bodhran.

# Posted on November 12th 2005 by kjay_bc_box

particulary hard t play on my bagpipes ( a musette du centre, I must transpose it, it's hard). Let's send it to the best pipers of the world, it'll be such a great challenge...

# Posted on April 26th 2007 by gaitazampogna_32

It's in 19 tunebooks now !

name and shame, I say !

# Posted on April 26th 2007 by domnull

Mornington Crescent

Notwithstanding my previous post, this is undoubtedly a winning gambit in Mornington Crescent -

http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/10042/comments

# Posted on April 26th 2007 by domnull

BAD TRANSCRIPTION ~

Wouldn't you just know it, Key's left out 6 measures... That's unforgiveably sloppy. He's got the key signature wrong too. This is definitely Phrygian, that at least is what my tinnitis is telling me. Maybe we should petition Jeremy to delete this faulty transcription and someone can add the correction?

# Posted on April 26th 2007 by ceolachan

Sorry, ceol. I should've known you would pick up any mistakes. But that's the way it's played in our session. And we play it with some variations, and call it 5 minutes 42 seconds. Just call it a regional variation. This is what keeps the music alive, I'm sure you'd agree.

# Posted on July 20th 2007 by Key Maniac Lad

Does anyone have the dots or ABC for a version of this in a whistle-friendly key?

# Posted on August 13th 2007 by Mairtin Lom

Dispense with dots - learn it by ear !

# Posted on August 13th 2007 by domnull

An oasis, a haven!

I've found an oasis, a haven on this site, away from all the troubled waters elsewhere.

# Posted on August 31st 2007 by domnull

HELP!!

I can't play it. Please help me out someone or I'll be the laughing-stock of the town.

# Posted on September 25th 2007 by D.J.F.

Don't worry dan. You just have to take it slowly, one bar at a time. Try playing each through several times, start slowly but gradually build up speed (if you start off too fast your bowing gets messed up and when you try to bring it up to speed you'll just get all confused and will most likely make mistakes).

# Posted on September 30th 2007 by mehitabel23

And don't forget to breath...

# Posted on September 30th 2007 by ceolachan

In fairness to quieter instruments in a session when this is being played should I put the mute on my fiddle?

I was also wondering if harmonising/improvisation would be acceptable to the composer?

# Posted on January 12th 2008 by john knoss

you've got to be careful about ornaments in this one, but i think harmonies would be okay as long as they're not too intrusive.

and yes, i think the mute would be a good idea.

# Posted on January 16th 2008 by mehitabel23

The thing is, since most trad players don't use sheet music.... the page turn in the middle of the piece probably won't come across in a truly meaningful way.

# Posted on January 24th 2008 by violi

Sore fingers

They played this in my session last week but someone started it off too fast and I couldn't keep up. I really hate it when they do that. Is there an easier version for us relative newbies?

# Posted on January 24th 2008 by IndianaTim

the thing with this one - if you can't manage it, don't play it at all. there's no point. Just practice and only join in when you're ready.

# Posted on February 12th 2008 by mehitabel23

No noodling allowed...

# Posted on February 12th 2008 by ceolachan

"What I want to know is who are the three people who added this to their tunebooks!?!?!"

Key Maniac Lad, mehitabel23, D.J.F., John Gillard, Ponsonby J. Britt, daiv, Gard, gaitazampogna_32, Leiouekairna, Bregolas, Peter Piper, Madflo, Wannabe-piper, thesam, Dan Foster and Laitch. I don't know who the others are; maybe their accounts were deleted.

# Posted on February 12th 2008 by Phantom Button

^^Dan Foster is now DJF!

Name changes ARE confusing!

# Posted on February 18th 2008 by D.J.F.

Yeah the name change has confused me alright.
Does anyone have a copy of the lyrics for this tune??

# Posted on February 26th 2008 by mehitabel23

It's right there, on the tip of my tongue... Can you hum a few bars to get me started?

# Posted on February 26th 2008 by ceolachan

Night night.....

my poor neighbour.... i just found a tune called we happy few and liked it so much i played it many times before i relaised that it's midnight.... my poor patient neighbours... then was just about to switch off when i came accross this... Cool a tune I can practice at any time whithout the need for an electric violin with biult in headphones...
I just had a quick run through and it seems like a good melody.. In fact so much so that I might have to go next door and play the extended version called 8hrs and 40mins...
With so much extra practice time I should be a virtuoso by the morning...

# Posted on March 26th 2008 by paulflute

4:33

Our band loops this tune (IT'S A SLOW AIR, NOT A WALTZ!) over the sound system while we're breaking down the stage. It helps noodge lingering dancers out the door so we can pack it in and go out for pints. It works almost as well as the university library's excessively loud late night broadcast over the P.A. system of the theme to the Hawaii 5-0 (U.S) TV series that used to clear the stacks and cubicles of sleepers and lovers in minutes flat.

# Posted on April 2nd 2008 by hernesheir