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Miss Sarah Drummond Of Perth

strathspey

Key signature: Amixolydian

Submitted on March 31st 2003 by gian marco.

This tune has been added to 39 tunebooks.

Also known as Calum Crùbach, Calum Crubach, Danse Écossaise, Danse Ecossaise, Gurren Castle, Gurren's Castle, The Gurren's Castle Highland Fling, Gurrens Castle, Miss Drummond Of Perth, Paddy Joe's Highland Fling, The Perth Highland Fling.

Recordings of a tune by this name:

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X: 1
T: Miss Sarah Drummond Of Perth
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: strathspey
K: Amix
|:A2 e>d B<d e2 |d<g B<g d<g B<G |
A2 e>d B<d e>f | (3gfe g>B A2 A>e:|
|:a2 e<a c<a e>f |g2 d<g B<g d>e |
a2 e<a c<a e>f |(3gfe g>B A2 A>e:|

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Miss Sarah Drummond Of Perth sheetmusic
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Composer. Niel Gow
Transcription: g.m.p.

I know,
It's only a scottish tune
but I like it...

# Posted on March 31st 2003 by gian marco

Nice tune, but I haven't mastered it yet.

Is it true this is Niel Gow's composition? I've never heard of that. I'm sure this is a quite international tune with Scottish origin, played in Donegal and Cape Breton as well.

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by slainte

I found a version of this tune somewhere in the web as a Niel Gow composition, but I also never heard of that before.

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by gian marco

It's known as a Niel Gow composition by most people. Whether that's actually true or not is probably impossible to prove for sure. It *is* quite an international tune played in Donegal and Cape Breton, but then a lot of Scottish tunes are. Doesn't make them any less Scottish. What does "only a Scottish tune" mean? I don't think that's anything to be ashamed of as long as it's posted as such :-) :-|

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by Dow

IMiss Drummond

Sometime I heard this tune with a variation in the end of the second time of the second part, but I can't remember it...Does someone know it?

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by gian marco

I think it always goes into a little high E minor bit something like:
a2 e>a gg|aB A2 A...

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by Dow

??????That so isn't what I just typed. Try again:
a2 e>a gg|aB A2 A...

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by Dow

???????? For some reason it's not letting me do the left arrow thing. The notes are a2ea gbeg|aegB A2

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by Dow

Yay

# Posted on April 1st 2003 by Dow

It's popular with Cape Breton players. The c-sharps in the B-part are sometimes played slightly flat - perhaps as much as a quarter-tone.

# Posted on April 4th 2003 by granama

- from Cape Breton: |2 a2 e<a g<b (3efg|(3agf g<B A2 A||

The B part, a second ending, as transcribed by Doug MacPhee from the superb playing of one of Cape Breton's finest fiddlers, Mary MacDonald. The full transcription can be found in the book "A Cape Breton Ceilidh", compiled and edited by Allister MacGillivray, Sea-Cape Music Ltd., 1988, ISBN 0-9692208-1-2...

# Posted on August 14th 2004 by ceolachan

Thereabouts ~ from Perth to Lough Erne

Dow's attempts of olde ~
* = "SNAP"
| a2 e>a g*be>g | a*eg>B A2 ||

"The Skye Collection of the Best Reels & Strathspeys Extant"
Compiled and Arranged for Violin and Piano
by Keith Norman MacDonald ~ 1887

page 115 ~ Miss Drummond of Perth ~ Strathspey ~ Neil Gow
edited from "The Skye Collection":

K: A Dorian
|: za | AAe>d B>d e2 | dgB>g d*gB*G | AAe>d B*de>a | g>eg>B A2 :|
|: A^g | a2 e>a c*ae>f | g2 d>g B>gd>g |1 a2 e>a c>ae>a | g>eg>B A2 :|
2 aae>a bbe>g | aegB A/B/c/d/ e>a ||

a>^g | a2 e>aa c>ae>f |

variants (the repeats) from "The Skye Collection":
A-part - Aa |AAe>d B*d e2 | d*gB>g d*gB>G | AAe>d B>de>a | g>eg>B A2 |
B-part - a>^g | a2 e>aa c>ae>f |

I've also known it with c sharp (^c) in the B-part...

& from Cape Breton

|: za | e*Ae>A (3Bcd e2 | d*gB>g d>gB*G | A*Ae>A (3Bcd (3efg | (3agf (g*B A2 :|
|: (3efg | a2 e*a c*ae>a | g2 d*g B*gG>g |1 a2 e*a c*ae>g | (3agf g*B A2 :|
2 a2 e*a g*b (3efg | (3agf g*B A2 ||

& another key and a few variants via Eire & yours truly,
I quite like it that 4th step down & though not shown, I swing and snap it...

K: E Dorian
|| (3EEE BE GABG | AdFd AdFD | (3EEE BE GABc | dBAF BE (3FED |
(3EEE BE GA B2 | AdFd AdFD | (3EEE BE (3GGG Bc | (3dcB (3AGF E2 ||
(3Bc^d |
(3efe Be GeBe | (3ded Ad FdAd | (3efe Be Ge (3ABc | (3dcB AF E2 e^d |
e2 be Bebe | d2 ad Adad | (3bbb (3Bcd (3aaa (3ABc | (3dcB Ad e2 z2 ||

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by ceolachan

This is also played in Ulster for the dance and as a "Highland Fling", the usual 16 bars with a two bar second ending for the B-part...

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by ceolachan

Oh lovely, THANKS, Ceolachan! Now I see why you were slagging Mark for not realizing what tune it was... :)

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by Zina Lee

Who me? ~ slagging dear Markus/Dow? You forgot to mention the other one, Willhelm! Does that halve the intent? If there was any slagging it was accidental, or out of love and appreciation for them both.

Whew! ~ weird second ending. It must have been raised ozone levels in my little cubicle here. I'll have to come back with something a bit saner, though the earlier ones given are in my realm. That last up-and-down madness is just that, an 'occasional' lapse of sense... :-)

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by ceolachan

Oh yeah I forgot about this tune! See Zeens I tolds you you should ask ceolachan!

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by Dow

Will would have got it though did he? I think he plays it on a regular basis. Not as a bluegrass boomchuck hornpipe though I'm sure :-)

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by Dow

...although maybe he does - we all know about his dark and sordid past!

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by Dow

Will told me it sounded like fifteen jillion other flings/hornpipes/strathspey type stuff he knows so he couldn't figure out a name any more than you could. :-p

# Posted on September 6th 2005 by Zina Lee

Really, all I ever play is highstrathflinglandspeys, in a very authentic Orkney style, from my decades spent as a crofter on Papa Westray....
*smirk*

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Will CPT

Besides, as Brendan Bulger is wont to say, all A Dorian tunes sound the same, so just play Sligo Maid.

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Will CPT

LOL -- something like that. *snort*

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Zina Lee

Help! I need to stop laughing so I can catch a breath. "Orkney'!? ~ that figures... :-)

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by ceolachan

Isn't there a rare illness affecting certain proto-Orkneyites, a version of mode-deafness? Supposedly symptomatic of this is a fixation on The Sligo Maid. Some have folks have ascribed this illness to their migration to the USA and bluegrass...

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by ceolachan

"Proto-Orkneyites" -- LOL

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Zina Lee

All bluegrass is in one mode: "mountain minor." And they instill rhythm in you by strapping you in a seat at a NASCAR race and not letting you leave till you can hear the pistons hammering up and down as the cars go by.

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Will CPT

LOL -- can I quote you on that one, Will?

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Zina Lee

God no. But you can link your readers to this page....

# Posted on September 7th 2005 by Will CPT

Will, you forgot to mention 'where' ~ bottom row next to the lights... ~ very quotable! ;-)

# Posted on September 8th 2005 by ceolachan

"Gurren's Castle" ~ Hugh Gillespie

"Hugh Gillespie" Classic Recordings of Irish Traditional Fiddle Music"
Track 7~ Highland Flings: "Finnea Lasses" / "Gurren's Castle"

On this recording the second tune "Gurren's Castle" is "Miss Sarah Drummond of Perth", with a second ending, 16 bars in total. Hugh Gillespie repeated the mistake of others of repeating the B-Part for the first tune in the set, making the tune 24 bars instead of the usual 16 bars for the various dances known as "Highland Flings". Here is that other tune of the 'Killarney Wonder' set:

"Finnea Lasses"
Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on October 11th 2002 by incommunicado.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/1028

# Posted on December 15th 2005 by ceolachan

Calum Crubach

Listen to Mary Jane Lamond's beautiful singing: http://www.maryjanelamond.com/audio/trees/11.m3u

# Posted on December 19th 2005 by slainte

Composer

There was debate between Niel Gow and Wm. Marshall as to who wrote it--each said that he wrote it and the other stole it. Gow's name for it stuck, and there seems to be a general consensus that he, in fact, wrote it.

# Posted on December 20th 2006 by cowsrhot

"Danse Écossaise" ~ a Quebecois take on this one, courtesy of 'Carabus'

This is a duplication brought back from the future and a potential "POOF!"

Key signature: A Dorian
Submitted on March 3rd 2007 by Carabus.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/6888

K: A Dorian
|: (3efg |
a2 e>a c>ae>f | g2 d>g B>gd>g | a2 e>a c>ae>f | g>ed>B B>AA>g |
a2 e>a c>ae>f | g2d>g B>gd>g | a>fg>e f>de>d | B>gd>B B>A :|
|: A>f |
e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>AB>d | e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>AA>a |
e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>AB>d | e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>A A2 :|

& the above in reduction (mine - ceolachan's) ~
|: (3efg |
a2 e>a c>ae>f | g2 d>g B>gd>g |[1 a2 e>a c>ae>f | g>ed>B B>A :|
a2 e>a c>ae>f | g2 d>g B>gd>g |[2 a>fg>e f>de>d | B>gd>B B>A ||
|: A>f |
e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>AB>d | e>AA>B c>de>d | g2 G>A B>A :|

Hello,
I should appology because I know this is from Québécois répertoire and not ITM. I did post this in the discussion but it got deleted. I am also not sure if this is barndance or hornpipe... I play this tune that comes from Joseph Allard. It is called 'Danse Écossaise'. Since lot of the tunes Québécoises, especially in Allard's repertoire, come from overseas, I was wondering if you know/play a tune that is similar to this. Did Allard take this from Irish, Scottish repertoire? I did a search in thesession.org and could not find matching tunes.

This abc is a version transcribed by Yvon Cuillerier and is not exactly Allard's rendition. You can hear Allard playing this under the following (first) link. Much more alive than the transcription. I like to play it a bit slower, but maybe it is just that I cannot play all the variations I want if I go too fast. The occasional roll on the quarters make the tune more lively. The abc version in 'Fiddler's Companion' (lower link) is very similar but notated differently. Is there something similar in the ITM répertoire? I decided to put it as a hornpipe!

You can hear Allard here (scroll down to Danse Écossaise):
http://www.udenap.org/groupe_de_pages_06/allard_joseph.htm

http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/DAN_DAR.htm

# Posted on March 3rd 2007 by Carabus
http://www.thesession.org/members/display/31748

# Posted on March 3rd 2007 by ceolachan

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