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Martin Haye's

reel

Key signature: Gmixolydian

Submitted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar.

This tune has been added to 25 tunebooks.

Also known as Martin Hayes, Martin Hayes'.

Recordings of a tune by this name:

The Rolling Wave by Cian
Turning Of The Tide by Fresh Fish

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Got this single reel from Katie O'Sullivan on concertina, she called it Martin Haye's. Not sure re key, I've put in D dorian as you could finish AB d2.. but maybe it's in C. What does anyone think?

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar

G Dorian... (B flat & F natural)

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

It sounds like a version of the Hunter's Purse. It's common to play A dorian tunes in G dorian among East Clare fiddlers and concertina players.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by slainte

Sorry, don't get that c .. no B flat's - just Cnat and Fnat.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar

Not sure that G would be the home note? Yes, Slainte .. looked up Hunters Purse and has some similarities.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar

The key would be G mix?

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by D.J.F.

G Mixolydian

D.J.F. has it... If you must play this lovely little number with a B natural, then it is G Mixolydian... I'd meant to add that but was rushing out the door, and am doing that again... :-/

Personally, I'd play it Dorian, as for me that is what the tune is asking for, G as you've given it, but I would probably move it up a step and play it in A Dorian... This doesn't, in my opinion, swing with as much interest as Mixolydian...

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

DAMN!!! ~ the yeller board is refusing some ABC notation again

I did a transcription of of this tune, and extensive notes, and for some damned reason the yeller board, AGAIN, as it has happened several times now, WON'T allow some ABC notation to get through. So, yet again, I'm going to have to chop it up and see if I can get it accepted.

Gist of what disappeared ~ THIS IS NOT "Martin Haye's" but an old standard. I mean like O'Neill and old 78s standard. BUT, alas, my brain isn't working so I can't pull the name out. SLAINTE?! ANYONE?! Maybe someone can use the notes, if I can get them up before I have to leave, and do a search for it. I've not doubt it is already here...

Now to try the tune again, the ABCs ~ WH's notes in A Dorian, but you can play it Mixolydian if you insist. That may be the only quirck to distinguish it from its origins... Is that enough to save it from the 'axe-of-duplication'? :-/

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

It's going to have to be parts again ~ a bit at a time

X: 2
T: ? ? ?
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: Ador
|: ed |\
cAAB AGEF | GEAF GEDG |
EAAE ABcd |[1 eage d2 :|[2 ecdB A2 ||

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

AAAA!!! ~ I'm late...

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

The second endings were added to show resolution...

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Punctuation!

I think you mean Martin Hayes'.
Know your apostrophes man!

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by Joe CSS

Hey, Hay, Hayes ~ away we go... 8-)

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Sounds like Hunter's Purse to me, too.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by Will Harmon

Hunter's Purse, in A dor, posted by me a long time ago: http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/283

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by Will Harmon

Sorry, can't follow your line of thinking Ceolachan. I'm quite happy to be advised on keys but I think this tune, to my ear, resolves quite nicely to a high D - i.e. finish Bcd.... It could resolve to a G, I suppose. Funny thing is, I asked Katie this at the time and she was puzzled as well - she said, just hold a C chord.
I'm not sure about whether it's Hunter's Purse either - some phrases are same but other have a different shape, I think perhaps.
I see there is a link to a 'tune of this name' on a Concertina recording by Cian - The Rolling Wave. Anyone have this? and see if it's same tune?

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar

Anyway Joe, if it is 'by' Martin Hayes, maybe it belongs to him so perhaps it's Martin Hayes's!! But that's another can of worms.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by the wounded hussar

I *never* understand this need people have to hear tunes "resolve". These modal tunes don't "resolve". It's just not how they work. And this one isn't remotely equivocal, at least as regards tonal centre, which is G. No question.

Put it this way - even if you can hear it ending by going up to the d, that doesn't alter the fact that its tonal centre is G. End of.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ethical blend

'D' is the 'dominant' (V) of the 'tonic' (I) G, whatever mode. It isn't an uncommon option to let a tune close on the 'dominant'. If not quite completely at rest, it works. But, as long as you're having fun with it, however you take it ~ c'est la vie!

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Martin Hayes

I just remembered a bit that got axed when the yeller board was refusing certain combinations of ABCs.

Martin Hayes loves to dabble in slight twists to standard tunes, like moving them a little this way or that, or a lot, such as into a different key or mode... He isn't alone in this...

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Also, can't find any right now, I'm pretty sure that Martin's own tunes have names, not 'Martin Hayes'"...

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Yes Will, "Hunter's Purse" is what I was trying to tie down. Now I can sleep... ;-)

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by ceolachan

Slainte suggested Hunter's Purse way up the thread here. I was just seconding his opinion.

Yes, this version twists away from the "standard" Purse, but not far enough for me to think of it as a separate tune. Moving to a different key tends to do that to a tune on fiddle, anyway. Different fingerings and string crossings suggest other turns of phrase and the tune morphs a bit. I play Bag of Spuds in Edor and Ador, and my basic settings are quite distinct from one another.

# Posted on October 23rd 2008 by Will Harmon

"SLAINTE" ~ dear Hiro

I missed it, but then 'I'm not all here' this week... I'm being blasted by medication... I even mentioned 'slainte' as a possibly cure for my misfiring memory in my 3rd comment. :-/

Back to ~ "Be sure to drink plenty of liquids!" A doctor with a sense of values... ;-)

# Posted on October 24th 2008 by ceolachan

I haven't got much time to play tunes these days, but thankfully my memory for tunes hasn't gone bad. Bushmills is good for you, 'c'.

# Posted on October 25th 2008 by slainte

"HOT WHISKEY!" ~ mmmmmm!!! Any excuse...

I am very fond of Bushmills. I can't get my usual poison over here, boo hoo! ~ Jameson's 'Crested Ten', but my love and appreciaiton for the amber brews is not exactly limited... 8-)

The spare room remains free old friend...

# Posted on October 25th 2008 by ceolachan

Thnaks for your suggestions. So, it's Gmix and Martin Hayes - I'll amend details.

# Posted on October 25th 2008 by the wounded hussar

It wouldn't be Hayes's as you would never add another s. If the name ends with an s then the apostrophe is after the s. You can't split his name. As his name is Hayes the correct name would be Martin Hayes'. In short Joe CSS is right!

# Posted on October 27th 2008 by No Cause For Alarm