Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on September 14th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig.
This tune has been added to 24 tunebooks.
Also known as Navvy On The Shore, Paddy Jim Frank's, Pride Of Cloontia.
Recordings of a tune by this name:
X: 1
T: Pride Of Cluinte, The
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: reel
K: Gmaj
|:GA|B2eB dBBA|GABG AGEG|B2eB dBBA|GABG A2GA|
B2eB dBBA|GABG AGEG|g2fg edBG| AGEF G2:|
|:z2|gdBG DGBd| (3efg dB GABd|gdBG DGBd| (3efg dB A2Bd|
gdBG DGBd| (3efg dB GABd|g2fg edBG|1 AGEF G2:|2 AGEF G2||
I learnt this tune this summer from a whistle- and mandola- playing friend living in Clare. I am hoping he will supply me with a little more information in due course. To my ear, it sounds more Cork/Kerry than Clare in origin.
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Duplicated
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1273
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Blankety - I agree that the two tunes are closely related, (although I didn't notice when I learnt this tune). But are there not enough differences to make it a different tune? I did a thorough search through the tune archives and couldn't find a match. So I took that as an all clear for posting it.
Incidentally, I've just had it, hot off the press, from my source, that he learnt it from Mary the West Corker. So it could be a West Cork tune.
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Of course it's a matter of opinion. I think they're just different settings of the same tune though. The fact that this setting happens to have a different name makes it easier to think of it as a different tune, that's all. But in the end, names mean nothing. If your friend had given this tune to you as "The Navvy", I'd have been surprised if you'd posted it separately. I doubt if you'd get away with this as a separate tune in a session; I'd be willing to bet the Bothy Band setting is too well known for this one to get a look in. That's a shame really because this is a more interesting setting, and I see from the Fiddler's Companion that it was popularised by Fred Finn. I particularly like how it goes down to low D in the B-part.
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Great recording of this tune (Pride of Cluinte)
Kevin Burke plays this as the last of a set of reels on Rendezvous -- really great unaccompanied fiddle playing!
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by dlowder
And here's another transcription of the tune: http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4857
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by slainte
The Navvy On The Shore
This is just a version of 'The Navvy On The Shore' and belongs in the comments section there. The title 'Pride of Cluinte' should be listed as an alternate name. Having versions of tunes with such subtle variations listed separately in the tune database just adds to the confusion here IMHO.
# Posted on September 14th 2006 by Phantom Button
What makes me argue the case for the autonomy of this tune is the Es in place of the high Gs in the A-part, which, to my ear, suggests E-minor, giving it an entirely different character from its more strident sister. Furthermore, this makes for a much more marked contrast between the A- and B-parts than in 'Navvy', the B-parts of both tunes being unequivocally 'major' in character.
Incidentally, I apologise for the intrusive 'a' in the title.
# Posted on September 15th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
The issue of when a variant of a tune becomes another tune is a hazy one, and has already been flogged to near-death on this site, so I shan't argue any further as to whether or not 'Cluinte' is or is not just a version of 'Navvy'. However, I disagree with Phantom that the title of the present tune should simply be listed as an alternate title for the other tune, since the title 'The Pride of Cluinte' (as far as I am aware) belongs specifically to this variant of the tune.
# Posted on September 15th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Spoon, if you want, you can edit the title, but you're the only person who can do it because you're the original poster. Just go to "edit details".
# Posted on September 18th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Of course! Why didn't I think of that? I'll go right ahead and do it. For a noxious blanket you don't half have some good ideas.
# Posted on September 19th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
BTW thanks for that bit of Fred Finn info. I was too flustered with the tune identity thing at the time to notice what you had written.
# Posted on September 19th 2006 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Superior setting
Settings close to this one are (or at least were) played by many musicians in the south Sligo/north Roscommon/east Mayo area. Cloontia, by the way, is in Mayo, not far from Carracastle. With all due respect to Matt Molloy and the Bothy Band, I like this setting better than their "Navvy."
# Posted on September 28th 2006 by blarneystar
That's exactly why I think it belongs in the comments section of Navvy. Some folks researching that tune might enjoy finding what Don calls a, "Superior setting." It's a pity they won't find this setting from the south Sligo/north Roscommon/east Mayo area included in the comments there.
# Posted on September 28th 2006 by Phantom Button
They will now that I've bothered to post a link there instead of sitting around moaning.
# Posted on December 29th 2006 by Dr. Dow