Key signature: Gmajor
Submitted on July 27th 2006 by McMandolin.
This tune has been added to 7 tunebooks.
X: 1
T: Pride And Joy
M: 2/4
L: 1/8
R: polka
K: Gmaj
|:G2 cB | cd ef | gf ga | g4 | fe fg | fe dB | cB ce | dc BA |
G2 c2 | cd ef | gf ga | g4 | g2 B2 | B2 AB | c4 | c4 :|
|: E2 A2| Ac BA | E2 A2 | AB cA | BE ^GB | ed cB | A^G AB | cB AG |
E2 A2 | Ac BA | E2 A2 | AB cA | BE e=f | ed cB | A4 | A4 :|
|: G2c2 | e2 g2 | f2 e2 | f4 | f2 e2 | f3 e/f/ | gf ga | g4 |
G2 c2 | e2 g2 | f2 e2 | f4 | g2 B2 | B2 AB | c4 | c4 :|
Pride and Joy
This was a popular Ukranian polka in western Canada . I've heard it recorded by Tommy Buick but I learned I from a friend.It isn't really in G major. It is in C lydian.
# Posted on July 27th 2006 by McMandolin
"Pride and Joy" ~ a fun tune and a good first contribution ~
I only had a quick exchange with McMandolin as I was heading out the door at the time and wasn't back until hours later ~ 3 a.m.. I'd only just caught his contribution with interest as I was hurrying out. Initially all I'd seen was the grouping of notes together for a 2/4 tune:
M: 2/4 ~ L: 1/8 ~ R: polka
|:G2cB | cdef | gfga | g4 | fefg | fedB | cBce | dcBA | ~ etc...
And I hadn't time to look at it carefully or play it as I was afraid it would convert soon, so with that worry in mind all I had time to do was to post a quick message to space the ABC's to reflect the timing for a 2/4 polka, or:
M: 2/4 ~ L: 1/8 ~ R: polka
|:G2 cB | cd ef | gf ga | g4 | fe fg | fe dB | cB ce | dc BA | ~ etc...
This morning I've managed to play through it and to check it against some other notations I have of Kelzmer and Ukranian music, and one of the following would by more in keeping with that. It would help though to know the tempo and whether or not the tune is swung:
|:G2 c>B c>de>f | g>fg>a g4 | ~ ???
# Posted on July 28th 2006 by ceolachan
"Pride and Joy" ~ this transcript spaced differently ~ AABBCC (8 measures each)
The following notations are after checking several notated and recorded sources for Klezmer and Ukranian dance music this morning, none of which featured this particular tune but had similar music... ~
T: Pride And Joy
M: 2/4
L: 1/8
R: polka
K: G Major / C Major ~ ?
|: Gc/B/ c/d/e/f/ | g/f/g/a/ g2 | f/e/f/g/ f/e/d/B/ | c/B/c/e/ d/c/B/A/ |
Gc c/d/e/f/ | g/f/g/a/ g2 | gB BA/B/ | c2 c2 :|
|: EA A/c/B/A/ | EA A/B/c/A/ | B/E/^G/B/ e/d/c/B | A/^G/A/B/
|c/B/A/=G/ |
EA A/c/B/A/ | EA A/B/c/A/ | B/E/e/f/ e/d/c/B/ | A2 A2 :|
|: Gc eg | fe f2 | fe fe/f/ | g/f/g/a/ g2 |
Gc eg | fe f2 | gB BA/B/ | c2 c2 :|
I was unsure about the notation for the 3rd bar of the C-part ~ | fe fe/f/ |, which in the original notation would have meant that the e/f/ were actually e/4f/4, demi-semi-quavers = 1/32nd notes, and that bar in full notation in ABC's would look something like this: | fe f>e/4f/4 |... Additionally, I'm hearing and tending to play all those f's as f naturals, or =f, which would make it in the key of C Major? ~ but it has an interesting ring with them all sharp too... What tempo do you play it at? I think it's great that you have a Klezmer/Ukranian session going in Ottawa, tell us more... I like the polka... In my time I've had people suit me up for a very aggressive performance that included the likes of Arkan ~ and preshadkahs, you know, those knee destroying jumps and kicks? Well, the knees are destroyed and there's no way in hell I'll be doing that sort of jumping around anymore, unless it is chairiatric dancing, from a seated position in a chair...
It may be easier for some to read it as it has been submitted, double the measure count, but I wish I'd had the time to play through it first so I'd done you better justice, and that we would have had time to talk out any specifics. Some polkas (Irish, Scottish, English, American ~ etc.) are actually that wide open and can be notated as 4/4 in the form of a barndance, for example:
T: Pride And Joy
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: polka
K: G Major / C Major ~ ?
|:G2 cB cdef | gfga g4 | fefg fedB | cBce dcBA |
G2 c2 cdef | gfga g4 | g2 B2 B2 AB | c4 c4 :|
|: E2 A2 AcBA | E2 A2 ABcA | BE^GB edcB | A^G AB cBAG |
E2 A2 AcBA | E2 A2 AB cA | BEe=f edcB | A4 A4 :|
|: G2 c2 e2 g2 | f2 e2 f4 | f2 e2 f3 e/f/ | gfga g4 |
G2 c2 e2 g2 | f2 e2 f4 | g2 B2 B2 AB | c4 c4 :|
This way of setting the notation, more akin to the barndance type of polka, could also be opened up further to empasize the four beats as in the original contribution in 2/4. Knowing the tempo and hearing a recording would help in knowing what would be the best way to set the transcription:
T: Pride And Joy
M: 4/4
L: 1/8
R: polka
K: G Major / C Major ~ ?
|:G2 cB cd ef | gf ga g4 | fe fg fe dB | cB ce dc BA |
G2 c2 cd ef | gf ga g4 | g2 B2 B2 AB | c4 c4 :|
|: E2 A2 Ac BA | E2 A2 AB cA | BE ^GB ed cB | A^G AB cB AG |
E2 A2 Ac BA | E2 A2 AB cA | BE e=f ed cB | A4 A4 :|
|: G2 c2 e2 g2 | f2 e2 f4 | f2 e2 f3 e/f/ | gf ga g4 |
G2 c2 e2 g2 | f2 e2 f4 | g2 B2 B2 AB | c4 c4 :|
# Posted on July 28th 2006 by ceolachan
The 'F"s are sharp unless indicated. It is in C Lydian.
Nice for a change after so much Mixolydian.
# Posted on July 29th 2006 by McMandolin
The polka & f-sharps
That seems to be a normal Ukrainian polka from the central part of the country.
But to be the "most normal" all the f-sharps should be f-naturals.
Sharps sound strange.
# Posted on August 1st 2006 by Viking of Kiev
I must have Ukranian in my blood ~
# Posted on August 1st 2006 by ceolachan
F#'s
I dug out my mouldy old 'V records' of Tommy Buick and his orchestra to listen to the only recorded version of "Pride and Joy" I have ever heard and the "F"'s are sharp.There was also another part that I didn't include I thought I had made it up.
I am going to try and contact the fiddler I learned it from and see if he can offer any insights.
# Posted on August 2nd 2006 by McMandolin
Hey, I love Lydian ~ Lydia Oh Lydia ~ sorry ~ but this somehow didn't swing that way for me, but I'm willing to give it more time... Do include 'that other part', you could enter it here in the notes, or even a transcription of Tommy Buick and his orchestra's take on it if it is different in any way. And if VAK has a version or anything closely related, well, that would be great to see in comparison too...
# Posted on August 2nd 2006 by ceolachan
Missing part
:e4|e4|{=f}e2 c2| B2A2|E2^G2 |^GE ^GB|AE Ac|B<B AA|
|e4|e4|{=f}e2 c2| B2A2|E2^G2 |^GE ^GB|AE Ac|A4:|
this is played after the "A" part
# Posted on August 2nd 2006 by McMandolin
I think I`ll sow this polka to my friends who reconstruct old Ukrainian trad music of the centre & east. It`s interesting what they`ll say.
# Posted on August 3rd 2006 by Viking of Kiev