Great new album by Paddy Keenan; i got it from www.paddykeenan.com, after reading Zina's review in the Celtic Cafe (there you go, 3 shameless plugs in one sentence!).
P.K. plays the uillean pipes mostly as a solo instrument, by which i mean that there isn't a lot of droning or regulatoring, mostly plain, beautiful melody. He also does a great job on the low whistles.
The liner notes are great, the accompanyment is unobtrusive, and everything sounds great.
What are those last two tunes? They're listed as jigs, Kitty O'Neil's and the Kerry Jig. But they're not jigs. (Unless the counting bit of my brain finally melted). Anybody know?
The second one is a really rocking tune...
No idea, but if these are jigs, they're peculiar jigs. I wonder if they got mis-labeled. O'Neil's (who else) has a Kitty O'Neil's reel, but it's another melody. JC tune finder has a Kerry Jig (in 6/8), but it didn't sound likely to me, to be the source for the reel in that track.
So i guess we'll have to ask Zina to asd Paddy next time she interviews him.
Kitty O'Neill's is also known in some quarters as Kitty O'Shea's Champion Jig.
Interestingly it turns up as two parts of a multi-part hornpipe called The Smoky Chimney on Gerry Harrington, Paul de Grae and Eoghan O'Sullivan's recording of the same name.
I play it as a hornpipe to follow either Madame Bonaparte or The Cuckoo's Nest.
The Kerry Jig is a single jig (i.e. 12/8) which Paddy has often played in conjunction with that other classic single jig, The Ballintore Fancy. However I have also seen both descibed as slow reels. So there you go!
how ever hard I try! The second tune - both parts seems to consist of 4 bars of 4 beats each, to me. I've tried to find shorter or longer counts of 3 somewhere, to no avail. Am I going barmy?
Aaaaaarggghhhh....
Somebody explain it to a simpleton...
Zina, thanks - I went straight away and played the CD - but it goes '1234 2234 3234 4234' to me. Although I can't say that fast enough, but you know what I mean - it still sounds like bunches of 4s to me. Can you actually listen to that last track on the CD and count 3s, I mean, did you actually do it?
Kevin Burke has explained that the hornpipe known as Kitty O'Sheas Championship Jig or Kitty O'Neills was so named because the woman, Kittly O'Shea, was a music hall dancer known for her jigging, the tune was never a jig, however, but a hornpipe.
Bill, you may have just saved my sanity. You wouldn't believe how hard I've tried to find 3s in that tune, since everybody insisted they were there. I'm sticking to your theory from now on.
Because if it is, the gif will clearly demonstrate how the tune can be counted in 12/8 -- look especially at the measures where it's nothing but 4 triplets. 123 223 323 423. You can't hear it easily on Paddy's cd because he's playing it very very fast...you'd be hard pressed to get those triplets on each beat without slowing it down a *lot.*
I have two extra tracks listed on my copy :-
13 Reels: Collier's, The Woman of the House
14 Hornpipes: Dinny O'Briens, The Garden of Daisies, The Cork Hornpipe
Long Grazing Acre
Great new album by Paddy Keenan; i got it from www.paddykeenan.com, after reading Zina's review in the Celtic Cafe (there you go, 3 shameless plugs in one sentence!).
P.K. plays the uillean pipes mostly as a solo instrument, by which i mean that there isn't a lot of droning or regulatoring, mostly plain, beautiful melody. He also does a great job on the low whistles.
The liner notes are great, the accompanyment is unobtrusive, and everything sounds great.
# Posted on October 26th 2001 by glauber
The Long Grazing Acre - Track 12
What are those last two tunes? They're listed as jigs, Kitty O'Neil's and the Kerry Jig. But they're not jigs. (Unless the counting bit of my brain finally melted). Anybody know?
The second one is a really rocking tune...
# Posted on October 1st 2002 by Nell
Jigs?
No idea, but if these are jigs, they're peculiar jigs. I wonder if they got mis-labeled. O'Neil's (who else) has a Kitty O'Neil's reel, but it's another melody. JC tune finder has a Kerry Jig (in 6/8), but it didn't sound likely to me, to be the source for the reel in that track.
So i guess we'll have to ask Zina to asd Paddy next time she interviews him.
# Posted on October 3rd 2002 by glauber
Jigs?
Kitty O'Neill's is also known in some quarters as Kitty O'Shea's Champion Jig.
Interestingly it turns up as two parts of a multi-part hornpipe called The Smoky Chimney on Gerry Harrington, Paul de Grae and Eoghan O'Sullivan's recording of the same name.
I play it as a hornpipe to follow either Madame Bonaparte or The Cuckoo's Nest.
The Kerry Jig is a single jig (i.e. 12/8) which Paddy has often played in conjunction with that other classic single jig, The Ballintore Fancy. However I have also seen both descibed as slow reels. So there you go!
# Posted on October 4th 2002 by Aidan Crossey
Wow, the 12/8 would explain why it sounds like a hornpipe (4/4 in triplets). Thanks for the info!
# Posted on October 4th 2002 by glauber
I can't count it in threes...
how ever hard I try! The second tune - both parts seems to consist of 4 bars of 4 beats each, to me. I've tried to find shorter or longer counts of 3 somewhere, to no avail. Am I going barmy?
Aaaaaarggghhhh....
Somebody explain it to a simpleton...
# Posted on October 9th 2002 by Nell
Helen
123 223 323 423
# Posted on November 14th 2002 by Zina Lee
Zina, thanks - I went straight away and played the CD - but it goes '1234 2234 3234 4234' to me. Although I can't say that fast enough, but you know what I mean - it still sounds like bunches of 4s to me. Can you actually listen to that last track on the CD and count 3s, I mean, did you actually do it?
# Posted on November 16th 2002 by Nell
Zina
whoops, forgot to give my last post a title, that won't help!
# Posted on November 24th 2002 by Nell
Jigs
Kevin Burke has explained that the hornpipe known as Kitty O'Sheas Championship Jig or Kitty O'Neills was so named because the woman, Kittly O'Shea, was a music hall dancer known for her jigging, the tune was never a jig, however, but a hornpipe.
# Posted on January 22nd 2003 by Bill Kennedy
Bill, you may have just saved my sanity. You wouldn't believe how hard I've tried to find 3s in that tune, since everybody insisted they were there. I'm sticking to your theory from now on.
# Posted on January 23rd 2003 by Nell
Helen
D'you know, I'd forgotten all about this, Helen -- sorry about that. Okay, take a look at http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/1221. Is that the right tune?
Because if it is, the gif will clearly demonstrate how the tune can be counted in 12/8 -- look especially at the measures where it's nothing but 4 triplets. 123 223 323 423. You can't hear it easily on Paddy's cd because he's playing it very very fast...you'd be hard pressed to get those triplets on each beat without slowing it down a *lot.*
Does that help? Or still as clear as mud?
zls
# Posted on January 28th 2003 by Zina Lee
Hmmm
So instead of the way it's written there: for example:
M:4/4
cA ce fg a2 | (3agf (3gfe (3fed (3edc |
We might write
M:12/8
c2A c2e f2g a3 | (3agf (3gfe (3fed (3edc |
And count everything in 3s, accounting for the hornpipe's swing.
Deep!
# Posted on January 29th 2003 by glauber
Ooops! I goofed the ABCs a little.
Try this (added a couple headers so the ABCs are legit), so you can paste these into http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html
X:1
T:the old way
R:hornpipe
M:4/4
cA ce fg a2 | (3agf (3gfe (3fed (3edc |
X:2
T:Zina's way
R:single jig
M:12/8
c2A c2e f2g a3 | agf gfe fed edc |
# Posted on January 29th 2003 by glauber
Clare Jig?
Doesn't this sound a wee bit like Jimmy Ward's Jig? If you click on the link, you get Gallagher's Frolics instead.
# Posted on March 8th 2005 by Bill Reeder
Jutland
Does anybody have a transcription of Jutland, composed by Tommy?!
# Posted on October 8th 2007 by charliechamo
Bonus Tracks
I have two extra tracks listed on my copy :-
13 Reels: Collier's, The Woman of the House
14 Hornpipes: Dinny O'Briens, The Garden of Daisies, The Cork Hornpipe
# Posted on February 11th 2012 by harry