Recently i let all you fiddle players out there know about a fiddle day to be held on the 11th March with Paul O Shaughnessy, Ciaran Mooney and Donal Oconnor, I am very surprised to say the least that noone has shown interest in these classes or the free concert which is part of Féile an Earraigh. I consider the talent at this to be of the highest order so why no interest is there somewhere else I should be trying?Or are fiddle players just not that bothered?
Dont ask me I`m FLUTER !
Seriously but, if I played the fiddle I would jump at the chance.
As it is I'm hoping to catch up with these fiddlers in the sessions when they are done with
doing the classes.
Paul O Shaunessy is also an amazing flute player.
Maybe all the fiddle players in Ireland/Northern Ireland have so many good choices that they don't know what to do first. Well, I would have gone - all of the fiddle teachers/players mentioned are brilliant. I think many fiddle players here in my country are bothered. But there are just less possibilities for tunes or learning. We had Martin Dowling from Belfast over for a workshop last weekend. The workshop was booked out one week after I had informed people. And it was very very good. The teaching as well as everything else...
If I could play the fiddle I would give my left arm to go those classes.
Umm, you know what I mean.
I'm very surprised there's been no uptake, Buzz. Have you tried advertising up at the Crescent or Queen's? Do the kids at the various trad schools around Belfast know about it? Email circulars? Maybe you need to hit them more directly. It would be my guess that it will probably start to fill up this week as musicians in Belfast usually leave everything to the last minute...
I'm living in the US now. (ex Derry) My question is....do you/anybody know of a good fiddle teacher in the Derry/ Donegal area ?
My niece has been playing classical for seven years (btw she's 11y/o now) and she is keen to play trad. I would make sure to look after her if I was back there but alas.........
I don't know of any personally but I can certainly make enquiries on your behalf. Where does your niece live? If it's closer to Donegal then I'm sure there are a few dozen teachers. In fact I'm sure there's an Irish music course you can study there and typically the older students would give lessons part-time. I don't realy know the Derry scene that well; the only session pub I can think of is Sandino's although I seem to remember there being another pub running trad gigs. Anyway, I'll be in touch.
Maybe the location is not overly convenient (especially if you don't live in Ireland), or maybe (also true in my case) your youngest cousin is getting married that day, and you'll be dancing the night away at a Scottish Ceilidh.
To be honest there's no shortage of fiddle workshops and events going on across England and Ireland, and I imagine Scotland too, so we can take our pick. My wife has a much harder time finding Anglo Concertina workshops that she can get to.
I've never heard of the three fiddlers you mention, though I am sure they are very good.
Seriously John?
You have never heard of Paul O Shaughnessy who used to play with Altan?
Or Ciaran Mooney who is the nephew of Maighread ní Mhaionaigh also from Altan?
I think he was voted young musician of the year in Ireland, I thought those 2 at least would be very well known.
Didn't Paul O'Shaughness used to play with Arcady also ? Ringo Mc Donagh, Donal Murphy(Four Men & A Dog) Or am I barking up the wrong tree ? (no pun intended, seriously ) Who tinkled the ivories in that band, Patsy ??? I think she was from Galway and if I remember rightly the guitarist was French ?
Breton ?
Conan, thanks for the reply. My niece is in Derry but her dad works in Buncrana. I know of Dinny Mc Laughlin but not sure if he's still teaching. Dinny taught Ciaran Tourish amongst many others. I know of quite a few fiddlers but none who have the time or inclination to teach.
Wow ! A name just sprung to mind, and an old friend of mine too. Martin Mc Ginley. Do you know him ? I think I'll give him a call and see what's he up too lately.
Btw....Peadar O'Donnell's is the main session pub in Derry. Sessions six nights a week, last time I was home. Sandino's on a Sunday.
I made Sandino's on the way home from the Frankie Kennedy Winter School this year. We also took a trip down to Peadar's (that's the place I was trying to remember) - it was mic-ed up but a good sesh nonetheless.
Martin was working as a journalist for a while but then I think he opened a pub. Things might be different now as all that was some time ago. Martin used to play in the sessions in Belfast a fair bit. I'm just thinking.... we've probably met at some point.
I think you're right Conan. Brendan Larrisey was indeed the fiddler but I have a nagging doubt that P O'S played at some time with the band. Maybe my wires are crossed. I've noticed that happening a lot lately
My Fiance (from Newfoundland) and I are moving back to Australia in a months time. Basically I thought I may be able to handle winter here - but I was very, very wrong It'll be winter there - but it'll feel like a roasting summer compared to here!!
You're probably right, John. The personnel went through a few changes. I went to hear them being recorded for BBC telly when they had Sharon Shannon and Cathal Hayden with them, as well as Brendan Larrissey. Francis Black was the singer!
Beebs is making a wee trip home to Oz via London in a few weeks. We're lloking forward to taking her out on the rip.
"Seriously John?
You have never heard of Paul O Shaughnessy who used to play with Altan? Or Ciaran Mooney who is the nephew of Maighread ní Mhaionaigh also from Altan?"
Sadly I haven't, or if I have the names haven't stuck with me. I've never been a big fan of Altan, too much singing . I tend to remember fiddlers only if I've seen them play live or I've had a workshop with them, and not always then - I'm not a great one for remembering names, only faces.
Conan, I don't think we've met. I'd remember PA players. My good friend Tom Mc Gonigle, ex Newcastle, Down plays PA and concertina. He lives up the Ormeau Rd, Rosetta, the last I heard.
I've got to try and get in contact with all these guys again. It's very easy to lose contact when living abroad.
Where in Belfast are you from ? I had my first session here in Tampa on Sunday. And guess what ? I met a guitarist from A'town. We were the only Irish players. It was great to meet somebody from home. We discussed putting a band together. I'll let you know how we get on. Looking for a box player or fiddler if you're interested ?
Sideline - Arcady included , among others, at various times :
Sharon Shannon, Jacky Daly on accordions.[ Conor Keane at one point ? ] Cathal Hayden & Brendan Larrissey on fiddles. Patsy Broderick played piano. Nicolas Qemener [sp ?] on guitar and flute. Frances Black on vocals, and I think the Galway Sean Keane, also sang and played flute. Ringo, of course, on bodhran.
Martin McGinley was a name that sprang to my mind, too, when I read this discussion earlier, but I don't know his current whereabouts. The "opening a pub" story does sound familiar.
Strathfoyle, just had a thought that might help. You say your neice lives in Derry?
Well they have a cultural centre there that goes by the name of Gaeláras, the address is 34 Morshráid Shéamais
Derry BT48 7DB
they can be contacted over the internet by e-mailing
enquiry@gaelaras.ie. As far as I know they run classes for kids through the Blathanna scheme, although you will have to check if this is still the case.
Maybe we haven't met. I used to play the bodhrán long before the box and started going to sessions in my early teens - Madden's and Kelly's mostly.
Funny enough, I'm from A'town - Hillhead to be precise. Used to live in Lenadoon before that and originally from just off the Grosvenor Road. Who was the guitarist, just in case I know him? The usual curiosity, even though the A'town area has a population similar to that of a small town.
Erm, believe it or not, right now I'm listening to Altán singing the Jug of Punch! Horses for courses.
Blas, cheers for the info re: An Gaelaras. I used to work there but I didn't know they had started fiddle classes. I'll give them a call and see what's happening, Thanks again mate .
Kenny: Thanks for putting my mind to rest. Patsy Broderick was indeed the keyboard player and Nicolas Q the guitarist, a darned fine player too.
Conan: the guitarist I me is Kevin Breslin. I'm unsure how long he's over here but still has his accent No mistaking that Belfast "blas". He played in a few bands here before working in Iran and recently returning. I'm looking forward to getting regular gigs again.
Re: Peadar's......I played there for years with the likes of Brian Sutherland, Larry Mc Fadden, Paula Doohan, Seamus Gibson, now there's another great fiddler I've got to call up, many others, this was before it was miked up.
You didn't tell me if you knew Tom Mc Gonigle or not ? A fine musician !
Kenny: I'm sure you must have met a few of my mates from Glasgow in your time ? Lawrence Mc Elhinney, box player, Stevie Campbell, fiddler, Martin Mc Hugh, bodhran and Ian Carmichael, banjo. They travelled quite a bit for sessions.
Isn't Seamus Gibson Tommy People's nephew? He is one hell of a fiddle player alright.
I have met Tom a few times in Madden's. This is a good few years back but he used to play with a fiddle player whose surname I think was Henry. Lovely stylish players, both of them.
I know him!!
If his brother is called Diarmuid and is an Irish speaker like me then its the same guy. Is he also from Fruithill in A*TOWN?
How remarkable.
Strath, I sent you a message about Tom. I have known him years and played with him often in sessions in Down and Belfast, check your e-mails if you dont mind.
My first fiddle workshop, 5 years ago, was tutored by Paul O'Shaughnessy in the small village of Chew Magna in Somerset. My second workshop tutor, same day in the afternoon, same place, was Henry Sears, who is still very much on the scene.
The two then headed up an evening session in the local pub.
It's threads like these that remind you how relatively small the traditional music scene is; there's probably only about 3 degrees of separation between most people. I know Henry Sears, Trevor.
Blas haven't checked my emails yet but I'll do so in a tic. I'll tell Kevin you were asking for him.
Conan.....yeah, Seamus is Tommy Peoples nephew. Seamus and I used to teach fiddle and banjo for one of the CCE branches many years ago. He used to host a great programme for Highland Radio, not sure if he's still doing so, that's another "must do" for me.
And guess what blas ? One of my best mates in Derry is named Kevin Breslin ! Weird or what ?
PaddyC, that's another Donal O'Connor! He and Liam ar both great fiddle players. In fact, for my money, Liam's performance at last year's recital during Wilie Clancy week was the best of the evening.
And I know a few mentioned here as well, but I don't think we've ever met Conan, although I may have run across Strath.
McGinley is out of the pub business, by the way. He ran one in Killybegs for awhile, but I am not sure where he is these days. My brother would know if you see him "blas".
And John Bull, get your hands on O'Shaughnessy / McGrattan's "Within a Mile of Dublin". It's brilliant.
I know we were all in a total state for him.
I can get you more and accurate details on what happened before you talk to him if you want, but I'm leaving the office now and it will have to be tomorrow before I get back to you.
Hope that helps.
Scenic route - yup. Its just as bad a flight from Newfoundland so we thought we'd stop in London. Dont worry about warning me about hanging out with Conan - I know what I'm in for - we've spent a fair amount of time together and even came over to the US together last year. hahaha
Hey Beebs I don't know if your mum's told you this but I have a sofa for you if you want it. It's a foldout bed thingy. It's in the garage. If you want it you'll need to get some sort of cover to put on it so it looks reasonable but we thought it might do you until youse can get something less daggy
StrathJohn, no, I'm a first gen yankee but have spent time in Belfast. I played a bit with McGinley when he was there, and also know Ian, banjoist extraordinary.
Bodhrán bliss most people who live in Andersonstown weren't from there to begin with or at least their families weren't. In thegrand scheme of things it's a relatively new estate. You must be one of the dispossessed; my heart bleeds for you unless you're talking tosh. As for coming originally from the Falls I'm more than proud of it. Nyah
Martin's one helluva fiddler and personality to go with it ! An allround nice guy. I got to know him when he was serving his apprenticeship with the "Derry Journal"......he moved onto the BBC in Belfast later, and we kinda lost contact, as happens, unfortunately.
We'd many a session in Martin's home up in Raphoe in the late 70's/ early 80's. Did you ever hear his Mom play ? She was a fine fiddle player and undoubtedly where Martin got his talent. Kathleen was her name. A warm, lovely person.
I had a quick listen to your MP3s. You guys have a tight sound. You playing fiddle ? Flute player sounds ace ! Maybe I might make it up to your neck of the woods sometime.
Stay in contact, my email's on one of the above threads.
And btw Jode, I'm an adopted "redneck", still trying to come to grips with the lingo though I'm still smiling when I ought to be frowning, saying yes instead of no. You get my drift ? Just haven't a clue what they'e saying half the time
Back to the original question for a second. I had a look at the first thirty matches (out of 64) to "Belfast" in a search of the Members section. Of the 25 or so that had profiles, there was only one fiddler residing in Belfast. There were lots of players of other instruments in Belfast and lots of fiddlers with Belfast roots living abroad, but only one person in the target audience. And who knows how often they read the Discussion section? Extrapolate to the rest of the geographic area from which the workshop might draw and the rest of the matches for "Belfast", and maybe the lack of response isn't so surprising.
One could argue that with cheap airfares, it would be reasonable to expect interest from around Europe, but the posting gave only 10 days advance notice. Besides, it's less than a week from St. Patrick's Day, which is a very busy time for Irish musicians (possibly moreso outside of Ireland).
Keep in mind that events, especially in their formative years, draw their audiences predominantly locally. It may take years to develop a reputation that will draw people from a distance. Concentrate the publicity locally, too, and view it as an pleasant surprise if and when global advertising pays off.
LMAO Conan, I used to stay with family friends in Leeson St, away back in 1971 when I was attending The College of Business Studies, down in Amelia St. Moved into digs later with a bunch of guys attending The Ranch/ St.Joes.
We lived around the corner in Plevna St and then Abyssinia St! My grandparents lived on Leeson Street. My da used to go to the sessions in the Oul' House back then. Gary I agree - more local advertising is what's required; the McPeake school and the Andersonstown school of music is where I'd start.
Hey John, thanks for listening in. I got to meet and play with lots of great people in Belfast, but I had a few great opportunities to sit in between Martin and Davey McGuire...ahh heaven. I never met Martin's mother, unfortunately. I actually haven't seen him in a number of years.
The band has two fiddlers and three flutes, so I can't claim much individual credit. Let us know when you are coming up...any excuse for a house party!
Jode, I intend returning home sometime but I have a "must do" itinerary before then, Chicago and Boston are on that list.
Got to do NYC as well. I lived, worked there many years ago but didn't take the music seriously back then What a waste, eh ?
You realise, by inviting me up there, you're delaying my return by a few extra weeks. If I hang around this site much longer I may never get back home
On a serious note, thanks for the offer and who knows I may get the opportunity to get up there sometime.
Three fluters, Wow! No wonder I thought him/her "ace"
As they say in my neck of the woods, "Keep her lit" !
Don't know what happened there. As I was saying the Oul House 1971, political affiliations, and the name McDonnell. I was in the Oul House in those days, even though I lived opposite The Ranch, maybe even knew Strathfoyle, we called it College View, just to be posh, not too far from the nouveau riche in Hillhead.
Gerry McCartney and Na Buachalli (never could spell in Irish) were playing in those days, Dermie Diamong on banjo, before he took up the fiddle. Now they just don't have pubs like that anymore.
And Conan, you'd be surprised just how many people from the Falls bite when confronted with the posh Andersonstown bit. My brother and sisters were actually born in the Falls, my ma being posh claimed to be from St Peter's rather than the loney, and my da was a countryman from the Bogside, the gas yard wall to be exact, Stanley's Walk.
But I was always posh. I was born in Andersonstown, right next to the film stars.
Aye right, bodhran bliss LMAO. "countryman" ? You've got me biting hook, line and sinker I know Stanley's Walk well, probably know your Da's family. I'm originally from Moore St. off Hamilton St. I'm sure your father would have known my da's family.
I once met a posh person in Belfast but 'twas far away from the west of the city, over by Stranmillis, if my memory serves me right. She was a right hoot
I knew of Dermy Diamond. Is he Joe's brother ? From Bellaghy, south Derry ? Joe plays banjo btw. He used to come down to Derry with Seamus O'Kane and Marcas O'Murchu. Marcas is working and living down there now.
The banjo player I was referring to earlier, on this or another thread, was Jim Fitzpatrick. He was a modest guy too
OK I admit it - I bit. I always get defensive about where I'm from. You can take the man out of Belfast...
BB, you're one of the few born, bred and buttered in A'town then; must have been a step down for you "slumming it" in the Loney!
;¬)
I thought all the film stars were in Lenadoon now - Pearse Elliott etc.
Was it true that Seán Magire used to hold court in the Oul' House too? I never asked him about that. I know Gerry McCartney, Gogie McCullough and Fergie Woods (my former English teacher) used to play there...
As for the family name, yeah you probably heard of my da's family and in particular cousin Joe? I see wee Joe once in a blue moon when i'm back home; coincidentally he was in my class at Olly Plunkett.
Dermy used to run sessions after school in one of the science labs before he became a professor and packed away his Bunsen burner. Those were the days.
And Jim Fitzpatrick? Love the guy but he's a wind-up merchant. We went to Romania for a few concerts - mad crack! He used to tell people he was the best banjo player in the world. Hmmmm top 10 maybe....
I suppose Belfast is a small enough place as it is; you don't really get to meet half the population for various well-known reasons. The folk scene is even smaller as a result. To bring everything full-circle that's why I'm very surprised there has been no interest in the Fiddle workshops; even word of mouth should have been enough to let most people know.
Excellent site Conan, I found one once were McCartney was writing about the good old days. Fergie Woods was at St mary's in my day, and didn't teach anything except basketball, but always good crack. He is VP now.
Strathfoyle, my surname is the same as the bloke JODE says he was in session with, for a moment I thought he meant me. We were travellers from Inisowen.
Really what is wrong with fiddlers?
Really what is wrong with fiddlers?
Recently i let all you fiddle players out there know about a fiddle day to be held on the 11th March with Paul O Shaughnessy, Ciaran Mooney and Donal Oconnor, I am very surprised to say the least that noone has shown interest in these classes or the free concert which is part of Féile an Earraigh. I consider the talent at this to be of the highest order so why no interest is there somewhere else I should be trying?Or are fiddle players just not that bothered?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by buzzer
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Dont ask me I`m FLUTER !
Seriously but, if I played the fiddle I would jump at the chance.
As it is I'm hoping to catch up with these fiddlers in the sessions when they are done with
doing the classes.
Paul O Shaunessy is also an amazing flute player.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Maybe all the fiddle players in Ireland/Northern Ireland have so many good choices that they don't know what to do first. Well, I would have gone - all of the fiddle teachers/players mentioned are brilliant. I think many fiddle players here in my country are bothered. But there are just less possibilities for tunes or learning. We had Martin Dowling from Belfast over for a workshop last weekend. The workshop was booked out one week after I had informed people. And it was very very good. The teaching as well as everything else...
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Irish Trad. Head
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If I could play the fiddle I would give my left arm to go those classes.
Umm, you know what I mean.
I'm very surprised there's been no uptake, Buzz. Have you tried advertising up at the Crescent or Queen's? Do the kids at the various trad schools around Belfast know about it? Email circulars? Maybe you need to hit them more directly. It would be my guess that it will probably start to fill up this week as musicians in Belfast usually leave everything to the last minute...
Ádh mór, a Bhuzz.
Conán
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Conan,
I'm living in the US now. (ex Derry) My question is....do you/anybody know of a good fiddle teacher in the Derry/ Donegal area ?
My niece has been playing classical for seven years (btw she's 11y/o now) and she is keen to play trad. I would make sure to look after her if I was back there but alas.........
Cheers
John
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Hi John
I don't know of any personally but I can certainly make enquiries on your behalf. Where does your niece live? If it's closer to Donegal then I'm sure there are a few dozen teachers. In fact I'm sure there's an Irish music course you can study there and typically the older students would give lessons part-time. I don't realy know the Derry scene that well; the only session pub I can think of is Sandino's although I seem to remember there being another pub running trad gigs. Anyway, I'll be in touch.
Cheers
Conán
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Maybe the location is not overly convenient (especially if you don't live in Ireland), or maybe (also true in my case) your youngest cousin is getting married that day, and you'll be dancing the night away at a Scottish Ceilidh.
To be honest there's no shortage of fiddle workshops and events going on across England and Ireland, and I imagine Scotland too, so we can take our pick. My wife has a much harder time finding Anglo Concertina workshops that she can get to.
I've never heard of the three fiddlers you mention, though I am sure they are very good.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Martin Milner
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John they're three of the top fiddle players currently around. Very well known in Ireland and abroad, although Dónal is more famous as a kazoo player.
Only joking!
http://celticgrooves.homestead.com/CG_OShaughnessy_Bradley.html
http://celticgrooves.homestead.com/CG_OMaonaigh_Ciaran.html
http://www.gerryoconnor.net/donalweb/index.htm
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Seriously John?
You have never heard of Paul O Shaughnessy who used to play with Altan?
Or Ciaran Mooney who is the nephew of Maighread ní Mhaionaigh also from Altan?
I think he was voted young musician of the year in Ireland, I thought those 2 at least would be very well known.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Didn't Paul O'Shaughness used to play with Arcady also ? Ringo Mc Donagh, Donal Murphy(Four Men & A Dog) Or am I barking up the wrong tree ? (no pun intended, seriously
) Who tinkled the ivories in that band, Patsy ??? I think she was from Galway and if I remember rightly the guitarist was French ?
Breton ?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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I think Brendan Larrissey was the fiddle player with Arcady....
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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When they come to Australia I'll be there with bells on!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bb
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Conan, thanks for the reply. My niece is in Derry but her dad works in Buncrana. I know of Dinny Mc Laughlin but not sure if he's still teaching. Dinny taught Ciaran Tourish amongst many others. I know of quite a few fiddlers but none who have the time or inclination to teach.
Wow ! A name just sprung to mind, and an old friend of mine too. Martin Mc Ginley. Do you know him ? I think I'll give him a call and see what's he up too lately.
Btw....Peadar O'Donnell's is the main session pub in Derry. Sessions six nights a week, last time I was home. Sandino's on a Sunday.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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I made Sandino's on the way home from the Frankie Kennedy Winter School this year. We also took a trip down to Peadar's (that's the place I was trying to remember) - it was mic-ed up but a good sesh nonetheless.
Martin was working as a journalist for a while but then I think he opened a pub. Things might be different now as all that was some time ago. Martin used to play in the sessions in Belfast a fair bit. I'm just thinking.... we've probably met at some point.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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I think you're right Conan. Brendan Larrisey was indeed the fiddler but I have a nagging doubt that P O'S played at some time with the band. Maybe my wires are crossed. I've noticed that happening a lot lately
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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I thought you were in NF bb ? You heading back down under for the winter/summer? Now I'm really confused !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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My Fiance (from Newfoundland) and I are moving back to Australia in a months time. Basically I thought I may be able to handle winter here - but I was very, very wrong
It'll be winter there - but it'll feel like a roasting summer compared to here!!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bb
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You're probably right, John. The personnel went through a few changes. I went to hear them being recorded for BBC telly when they had Sharon Shannon and Cathal Hayden with them, as well as Brendan Larrissey. Francis Black was the singer!
Beebs is making a wee trip home to Oz via London in a few weeks. We're lloking forward to taking her out on the rip.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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"Seriously John?
. I tend to remember fiddlers only if I've seen them play live or I've had a workshop with them, and not always then - I'm not a great one for remembering names, only faces.
You have never heard of Paul O Shaughnessy who used to play with Altan? Or Ciaran Mooney who is the nephew of Maighread ní Mhaionaigh also from Altan?"
Sadly I haven't, or if I have the names haven't stuck with me. I've never been a big fan of Altan, too much singing
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Martin Milner
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Conan, I don't think we've met. I'd remember PA players. My good friend Tom Mc Gonigle, ex Newcastle, Down plays PA and concertina. He lives up the Ormeau Rd, Rosetta, the last I heard.
I've got to try and get in contact with all these guys again. It's very easy to lose contact when living abroad.
Where in Belfast are you from ? I had my first session here in Tampa on Sunday. And guess what ? I met a guitarist from A'town. We were the only Irish players. It was great to meet somebody from home. We discussed putting a band together. I'll let you know how we get on. Looking for a box player or fiddler if you're interested ?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Sideline - Arcady included , among others, at various times :
Sharon Shannon, Jacky Daly on accordions.[ Conor Keane at one point ? ] Cathal Hayden & Brendan Larrissey on fiddles. Patsy Broderick played piano. Nicolas Qemener [sp ?] on guitar and flute. Frances Black on vocals, and I think the Galway Sean Keane, also sang and played flute. Ringo, of course, on bodhran.
Martin McGinley was a name that sprang to my mind, too, when I read this discussion earlier, but I don't know his current whereabouts. The "opening a pub" story does sound familiar.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Kenny
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Strathfoyle, just had a thought that might help. You say your neice lives in Derry?
Well they have a cultural centre there that goes by the name of Gaeláras, the address is 34 Morshráid Shéamais
Derry BT48 7DB
they can be contacted over the internet by e-mailing
enquiry@gaelaras.ie. As far as I know they run classes for kids through the Blathanna scheme, although you will have to check if this is still the case.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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ps - 3 excellent fiddlers as tutors. Hope it goes well.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Kenny
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Maybe we haven't met. I used to play the bodhrán long before the box and started going to sessions in my early teens - Madden's and Kelly's mostly.
Funny enough, I'm from A'town - Hillhead to be precise. Used to live in Lenadoon before that and originally from just off the Grosvenor Road. Who was the guitarist, just in case I know him? The usual curiosity, even though the A'town area has a population similar to that of a small town.
Erm, believe it or not, right now I'm listening to Altán singing the Jug of Punch! Horses for courses.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Beebs, I'm sure you're looking forward to getting home and a change in temps. NF is on my itinerary of "must visit" before I eventually return home.
So you're meeting up with Conan in London ? Is that the scenic route to Oz ?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Blas, cheers for the info re: An Gaelaras. I used to work there but I didn't know they had started fiddle classes. I'll give them a call and see what's happening, Thanks again mate .
No mistaking that Belfast "blas". He played in a few bands here before working in Iran and recently returning. I'm looking forward to getting regular gigs again.
Kenny: Thanks for putting my mind to rest. Patsy Broderick was indeed the keyboard player and Nicolas Q the guitarist, a darned fine player too.
Conan: the guitarist I me is Kevin Breslin. I'm unsure how long he's over here but still has his accent
Re: Peadar's......I played there for years with the likes of Brian Sutherland, Larry Mc Fadden, Paula Doohan, Seamus Gibson, now there's another great fiddler I've got to call up, many others, this was before it was miked up.
You didn't tell me if you knew Tom Mc Gonigle or not ? A fine musician !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Kenny: I'm sure you must have met a few of my mates from Glasgow in your time ? Lawrence Mc Elhinney, box player, Stevie Campbell, fiddler, Martin Mc Hugh, bodhran and Ian Carmichael, banjo. They travelled quite a bit for sessions.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Isn't Seamus Gibson Tommy People's nephew? He is one hell of a fiddle player alright.
I have met Tom a few times in Madden's. This is a good few years back but he used to play with a fiddle player whose surname I think was Henry. Lovely stylish players, both of them.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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I know him!!
If his brother is called Diarmuid and is an Irish speaker like me then its the same guy. Is he also from Fruithill in A*TOWN?
How remarkable.
Strath, I sent you a message about Tom. I have known him years and played with him often in sessions in Down and Belfast, check your e-mails if you dont mind.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Sorry last post in relation to the guy in America, not Séamus Gibbons.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Stephen Campbell brought out a great CD with Iain Smith - Keadue Bar. Probably not in "all major outlets" which is a pity.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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My first fiddle workshop, 5 years ago, was tutored by Paul O'Shaughnessy in the small village of Chew Magna in Somerset. My second workshop tutor, same day in the afternoon, same place, was Henry Sears, who is still very much on the scene.
The two then headed up an evening session in the local pub.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Trevor Jennings
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Ohh THOSE Breslins!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Yip. Who knew.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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It's threads like these that remind you how relatively small the traditional music scene is; there's probably only about 3 degrees of separation between most people. I know Henry Sears, Trevor.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Strange isn't it?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Donal is a very good fiddle player. I'm surprised there hasn't been much interest. Liam O Conner, Donal's brother, is also very good, or so I believe.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by 52Paddy
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Wow guys ! This sure is a small world !
Blas haven't checked my emails yet but I'll do so in a tic. I'll tell Kevin you were asking for him.
Conan.....yeah, Seamus is Tommy Peoples nephew. Seamus and I used to teach fiddle and banjo for one of the CCE branches many years ago. He used to host a great programme for Highland Radio, not sure if he's still doing so, that's another "must do" for me.
And guess what blas ? One of my best mates in Derry is named Kevin Breslin ! Weird or what ?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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PaddyC, that's another Donal O'Connor!
He and Liam ar both great fiddle players. In fact, for my money, Liam's performance at last year's recital during Wilie Clancy week was the best of the evening.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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And I know a few mentioned here as well, but I don't think we've ever met Conan, although I may have run across Strath.
McGinley is out of the pub business, by the way. He ran one in Killybegs for awhile, but I am not sure where he is these days. My brother would know if you see him "blas".
And John Bull, get your hands on O'Shaughnessy / McGrattan's "Within a Mile of Dublin". It's brilliant.
http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/133
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Jode
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And weirder by the minute.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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blas & Conan.......just read my emails. That's tragic/sad news. My email john_mc_cool@hotmail.com I'd like to more before I contact Tom.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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I know we were all in a total state for him.
I can get you more and accurate details on what happened before you talk to him if you want, but I'm leaving the office now and it will have to be tomorrow before I get back to you.
Hope that helps.
Mx
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by blas
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Catch up with you later M.
Thanks again, John X
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Jode, how's it going mate ? You from Donegal ?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Conan, you are not from (posh voice) Andersonstown, home of Hollywood film stars in the 60s, well J.G. Devlin and the Tumultys anyway.
You Conan are a blow in from the Falls. Turf Lodge was the beginning of the end for our idllyic Andersonstown, Lenadoon finished it off.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bodhran bliss
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Scenic route - yup. Its just as bad a flight from Newfoundland so we thought we'd stop in London. Dont worry about warning me about hanging out with Conan - I know what I'm in for - we've spent a fair amount of time together and even came over to the US together last year.
hahaha
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bb
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Hey Beebs I don't know if your mum's told you this but I have a sofa for you if you want it. It's a foldout bed thingy. It's in the garage. If you want it you'll need to get some sort of cover to put on it so it looks reasonable but we thought it might do you until youse can get something less daggy
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Dr. Dow
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Yeah, mum told me and we want it! Thanks dowise for looking after me
Is it like 5am over there again dowsie?
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by bb
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StrathJohn, no, I'm a first gen yankee but have spent time in Belfast. I played a bit with McGinley when he was there, and also know Ian, banjoist extraordinary.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Jode
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Bodhrán bliss most people who live in Andersonstown weren't from there to begin with or at least their families weren't. In thegrand scheme of things it's a relatively new estate. You must be one of the dispossessed; my heart bleeds for you unless you're talking tosh. As for coming originally from the Falls I'm more than proud of it. Nyah
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Jode,
Martin's one helluva fiddler and personality to go with it ! An allround nice guy. I got to know him when he was serving his apprenticeship with the "Derry Journal"......he moved onto the BBC in Belfast later, and we kinda lost contact, as happens, unfortunately.
We'd many a session in Martin's home up in Raphoe in the late 70's/ early 80's. Did you ever hear his Mom play ? She was a fine fiddle player and undoubtedly where Martin got his talent. Kathleen was her name. A warm, lovely person.
I had a quick listen to your MP3s. You guys have a tight sound. You playing fiddle ? Flute player sounds ace ! Maybe I might make it up to your neck of the woods sometime.
Stay in contact, my email's on one of the above threads.
Best of luck
John
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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And btw Jode, I'm an adopted "redneck", still trying to come to grips with the lingo though
I'm still smiling when I ought to be frowning, saying yes instead of no. You get my drift ? Just haven't a clue what they'e saying half the time 
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Conan, A'town is the Milton Keynes of Norn Iron.
Grosvenor Rd/ Lower Falls = Ace people. No offence Bodhran Bliss. You guys are the "blow ins" 
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Well we shouldn't blow our own trumpet but let's face it you're absolutely right!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Back to the original question for a second. I had a look at the first thirty matches (out of 64) to "Belfast" in a search of the Members section. Of the 25 or so that had profiles, there was only one fiddler residing in Belfast. There were lots of players of other instruments in Belfast and lots of fiddlers with Belfast roots living abroad, but only one person in the target audience. And who knows how often they read the Discussion section? Extrapolate to the rest of the geographic area from which the workshop might draw and the rest of the matches for "Belfast", and maybe the lack of response isn't so surprising.
One could argue that with cheap airfares, it would be reasonable to expect interest from around Europe, but the posting gave only 10 days advance notice. Besides, it's less than a week from St. Patrick's Day, which is a very busy time for Irish musicians (possibly moreso outside of Ireland).
Keep in mind that events, especially in their formative years, draw their audiences predominantly locally. It may take years to develop a reputation that will draw people from a distance. Concentrate the publicity locally, too, and view it as an pleasant surprise if and when global advertising pays off.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by GaryAMartin
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LMAO Conan, I used to stay with family friends in Leeson St, away back in 1971 when I was attending The College of Business Studies, down in Amelia St. Moved into digs later with a bunch of guys attending The Ranch/ St.Joes.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Ha ha bb, shivering too much to type straight? Or has Dowsie reached a higher level of consciousness and morphed into Dowise ...
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Tish
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We lived around the corner in Plevna St and then Abyssinia St! My grandparents lived on Leeson Street. My da used to go to the sessions in the Oul' House back then. Gary I agree - more local advertising is what's required; the McPeake school and the Andersonstown school of music is where I'd start.
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Hey John, thanks for listening in. I got to meet and play with lots of great people in Belfast, but I had a few great opportunities to sit in between Martin and Davey McGuire...ahh heaven. I never met Martin's mother, unfortunately. I actually haven't seen him in a number of years.
The band has two fiddlers and three flutes, so I can't claim much individual credit. Let us know when you are coming up...any excuse for a house party!
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Jode
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Jode, I intend returning home sometime but I have a "must do" itinerary before then, Chicago and Boston are on that list.
Got to do NYC as well. I lived, worked there many years ago but didn't take the music seriously back then What a waste, eh ?
You realise, by inviting me up there, you're delaying my return by a few extra weeks. If I hang around this site much longer I may never get back home
On a serious note, thanks for the offer and who knows I may get the opportunity to get up there sometime.
Three fluters, Wow! No wonder I thought him/her "ace"
As they say in my neck of the woods, "Keep her lit" !
# Posted on March 7th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Conan, you're not the famous McDonnell's from Oul House fame?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by bodhran bliss
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Don't know what happened there. As I was saying the Oul House 1971, political affiliations, and the name McDonnell. I was in the Oul House in those days, even though I lived opposite The Ranch, maybe even knew Strathfoyle, we called it College View, just to be posh, not too far from the nouveau riche in Hillhead.
Gerry McCartney and Na Buachalli (never could spell in Irish) were playing in those days, Dermie Diamong on banjo, before he took up the fiddle. Now they just don't have pubs like that anymore.
And Conan, you'd be surprised just how many people from the Falls bite when confronted with the posh Andersonstown bit. My brother and sisters were actually born in the Falls, my ma being posh claimed to be from St Peter's rather than the loney, and my da was a countryman from the Bogside, the gas yard wall to be exact, Stanley's Walk.
But I was always posh. I was born in Andersonstown, right next to the film stars.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by bodhran bliss
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Aye right, bodhran bliss
LMAO. "countryman" ? You've got me biting hook, line and sinker 
I know Stanley's Walk well, probably know your Da's family. I'm originally from Moore St. off Hamilton St. I'm sure your father would have known my da's family.
over by Stranmillis, if my memory serves me right. She was a right hoot 
I once met a posh person in Belfast but 'twas far away from the west of the city,
I knew of Dermy Diamond. Is he Joe's brother ? From Bellaghy, south Derry ? Joe plays banjo btw. He used to come down to Derry with Seamus O'Kane and Marcas O'Murchu. Marcas is working and living down there now.
The banjo player I was referring to earlier, on this or another thread, was Jim Fitzpatrick. He was a modest guy too
Catch you later mate.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Strathfoyle
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Jim Fitzpatrick, modest?
For Gods sake John, I know him this years, modest is not a word I would use. Nice guy but.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by blas
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OK I admit it - I bit. I always get defensive about where I'm from. You can take the man out of Belfast...
BB, you're one of the few born, bred and buttered in A'town then; must have been a step down for you "slumming it" in the Loney!
;¬)
I thought all the film stars were in Lenadoon now - Pearse Elliott etc.
Was it true that Seán Magire used to hold court in the Oul' House too? I never asked him about that. I know Gerry McCartney, Gogie McCullough and Fergie Woods (my former English teacher) used to play there...
As for the family name, yeah you probably heard of my da's family and in particular cousin Joe? I see wee Joe once in a blue moon when i'm back home; coincidentally he was in my class at Olly Plunkett.
Dermy used to run sessions after school in one of the science labs before he became a professor and packed away his Bunsen burner. Those were the days.
And Jim Fitzpatrick? Love the guy but he's a wind-up merchant. We went to Romania for a few concerts - mad crack! He used to tell people he was the best banjo player in the world. Hmmmm top 10 maybe....
I suppose Belfast is a small enough place as it is; you don't really get to meet half the population for various well-known reasons. The folk scene is even smaller as a result. To bring everything full-circle that's why I'm very surprised there has been no interest in the Fiddle workshops; even word of mouth should have been enough to let most people know.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Lads I think you might enjoy this:
http://www.belfastfolk.co.uk/index.asp
check the gallery - some familiar faces I'd reckon
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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While I'm still in a reminiscing mood, I remember one day in our music class at schol. The teacher asked us if anyone could describe "Baroque".
One smart-alec said "That's what you say to a black-taxi driver when you want to go up the Whiterock Road".
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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For those of you not familiar with Belfast vernacular, what my friend meant was "up the 'rock".
Do you see?
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by Conán McDonnell
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Excellent site Conan, I found one once were McCartney was writing about the good old days. Fergie Woods was at St mary's in my day, and didn't teach anything except basketball, but always good crack. He is VP now.
Strathfoyle, my surname is the same as the bloke JODE says he was in session with, for a moment I thought he meant me. We were travellers from Inisowen.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by bodhran bliss
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And Bishopps of Derry and Raphoe for years.
# Posted on March 8th 2006 by bodhran bliss