Can anyone tell me anything about the country bagpipes in the baroque era? What kind of music was played on them? The question came to mind when I was reading the poem that goes along with the third movement of vivaldis spring concerto.
"To the festive sounds of country bagpipes, dance nymphs and shephers in their beloved fields, when spring appears in all its brilliance"
Hi. Here's a little info (I only know a little! (recorder player)). Bagpipes were very popular in the Baroque Era, especially in France where all the nobles played "musettes", which were very elaborately made. They were small, had a drone, and played a variety of music. But if you look for Musette as the title of Baroque pieces you will get an idea of what country bagpipes played.( In France these were called cornameuses, but it varied country to country. They were usually mouth blown and had one or two drones (in octaves). ) Also if you know the Corelli Christmas Pastorale or the Handel Messiah Pifa movement you can get an idea. Usually it is 6/8 with a gentle lilt, or a simple 4/4 with sixteenth notes and repetitive phrases. Hope this helps!
Bagpipes were still relatively common in rural europe during the baroque period. Name a country of origin for this poem and I might have a better idea.
There's a recording of Vivaldi's 6 Sonatas Op.13 "Il Pastor Fido" by a chamber ensemble including hurdy-gurdy which should give some idea of the sort of sound they went for.I don't know if it's still in the catalogue but it's recorded by Archiv Produktion cat. no. 2533 117.
Slainte - You had me foxed for a moment there. I think you meant to say 'angels', not 'angles'. The Angles almost certainly had bagpipes too, as did the Saxons. But, as you are probably well aware (and if you are not, Dow's profile will tell you all you need to know), there is a corner of England which still has a piping tradition.
banana,
Because Vivaldi spent a lot of time in Mantua, a city in northern italy where there are four seasons, maybe the bagpipes are zampogna. http://www.calamus.it/inglese/la_zampogna.htm
Now you mention it, Slainte, there is a part of S. Jutland (Schleswig-Holstein, Germany) called Engeln, which is where the Angles came from. It is also the German word for 'angels'. If there are any angels left in England, they are corrupt beyond recognition.
Scrappy the Godo - any mention of corrupt angels instantly makes an informed Englishman think, perhaps longingly, of Charlotte Church cheerfully painting the town red in Cardiff or wherever, and conclude that they are a feature of the land of the Boyos rather than of the land of the Saesnog!...
country bagpipes in the baroque era
country bagpipes in the baroque era
Can anyone tell me anything about the country bagpipes in the baroque era? What kind of music was played on them? The question came to mind when I was reading the poem that goes along with the third movement of vivaldis spring concerto.
"To the festive sounds of country bagpipes, dance nymphs and shephers in their beloved fields, when spring appears in all its brilliance"
Thanks!
# Posted on February 17th 2006 by banana512
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Banana, is the word nymph an abbreviation of the word nymphomaniac?
It is ...................runs away to find his Pipes & Crook..........................
# Posted on February 17th 2006 by Ptarmigan
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Interesting question. Here’s a link I came across recently while reading about Hungarian gypsy music.
http://people.unt.edu/jw0109/misc/gypsy.htm
# Posted on February 17th 2006 by Bob himself
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Hi. Here's a little info (I only know a little! (recorder player)). Bagpipes were very popular in the Baroque Era, especially in France where all the nobles played "musettes", which were very elaborately made. They were small, had a drone, and played a variety of music. But if you look for Musette as the title of Baroque pieces you will get an idea of what country bagpipes played.( In France these were called cornameuses, but it varied country to country. They were usually mouth blown and had one or two drones (in octaves). ) Also if you know the Corelli Christmas Pastorale or the Handel Messiah Pifa movement you can get an idea. Usually it is 6/8 with a gentle lilt, or a simple 4/4 with sixteenth notes and repetitive phrases. Hope this helps!
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by kindredv
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Bagpipes were still relatively common in rural europe during the baroque period. Name a country of origin for this poem and I might have a better idea.
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by FatherJackHackett
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I agree with Jack, I gotta know a country.
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by Unseen122
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Once upon a time even angles were playing pipes: http://www.prydein.com/pipes/paintings2/musica.html
For excellent collections of bagpipes paintings, have a look at these pages:
http://www.prydein.com/pipes/paintings/index.html
http://www.prydein.com/pipes/etchings/index.html
I've been listening to Baroque music for long, but I own just a couple of CDs which feature the playing of musette. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000029VQ/qid=1140230607/sr=11-1/ref=sr_11_1/002-2326406-7812850?n=5174 (click track 1,10, and 22 to listen) They are great recordings of flute music.
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by slainte
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There's a recording of Vivaldi's 6 Sonatas Op.13 "Il Pastor Fido" by a chamber ensemble including hurdy-gurdy which should give some idea of the sort of sound they went for.I don't know if it's still in the catalogue but it's recorded by Archiv Produktion cat. no. 2533 117.
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by Paul_draper
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Slainte - You had me foxed for a moment there. I think you meant to say 'angels', not 'angles'. The Angles almost certainly had bagpipes too, as did the Saxons. But, as you are probably well aware (and if you are not, Dow's profile will tell you all you need to know), there is a corner of England which still has a piping tradition.
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by ragaman
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Yes, I mean "angels." But I heard "angle" is a corruption of "angel."
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by slainte
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banana,
Because Vivaldi spent a lot of time in Mantua, a city in northern italy where there are four seasons, maybe the bagpipes are zampogna.
http://www.calamus.it/inglese/la_zampogna.htm
# Posted on February 18th 2006 by joesmith
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So England is the land of corrupt angels?
Now you mention it, Slainte, there is a part of S. Jutland (Schleswig-Holstein, Germany) called Engeln, which is where the Angles came from. It is also the German word for 'angels'. If there are any angels left in England, they are corrupt beyond recognition.
Anyway, back to topic...
# Posted on February 19th 2006 by ragaman
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england is the lang of corrupt angels...im sure the welsh will agree...RIGHT BOYOS!
# Posted on February 19th 2006 by Scrappy the Godo
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it has a nice ring to it though doesnt it...
# Posted on February 19th 2006 by Scrappy the Godo
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Angelina Carberry's Banjo does indeed have "a nice ring to it though, doesnt it."
# Posted on February 19th 2006 by Ptarmigan
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Or as Pope Gregory put it, "Non Anglii sunt sed angeli", which means "They are not angels, but Anglicans".
I think he had a thing about little blond little boys.
# Posted on February 20th 2006 by LastToFinish
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Scrappy the Godo - any mention of corrupt angels instantly makes an informed Englishman think, perhaps longingly, of Charlotte Church cheerfully painting the town red in Cardiff or wherever, and conclude that they are a feature of the land of the Boyos rather than of the land of the Saesnog!...
# Posted on August 21st 2006 by nicholas