I've just been watching the film Braveheart (Mel Gibson) and had to turn it off half way through because I was finding it so dammed funny - the Scots fighting the English to the sound of Uillean pipes! Have any other musical directors made a similar cock up - I'm yet to notice any.
However, I was very impressed with Titanic in that they managed to get real musicians playing real music in the third class party (that as the only impressive thing in the whole film)- admittedly this was then spoilt by a local school orchestra playing it - that is a complete orchestra!
But on the Billy Connelly show on telly he had some wonderful music -I remember Cara Dillon singing Tommy Sands' There Were Rose - what a great song.
So does folk music on films / TV do more bad than good? I know it doesn't particularly inspire my generation - that is 17 year olds!
Look out for the Bazouki in Titanic!
A good film for folk music (All be it English) is "Far From the Madding Croud".
But I don't think it really matters. Complianing about the Irish pipes in Braveheart is kind of like skirting over the more important made up history.
William Wallace impregnated the King's wife indeed
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
It doesn't really matter.
Since when was any folk music "authentic"?
Only when taken over by the likes of Noel Hill
Nessie, wasn't it funny to see Cathal Hayden, Arty McGlynn and Nollaig Casey playing in Titanic? I wonder if they made it to the lifeboats. The thing about Braveheart was that it was filmed in Ireland - all the extras in the battle scene were Irish which I suppose is apt given that Irish kerns and conscripts fought with 9and against) the Scots. And wasn't the piper American? Eric Wrigler I think....
I rather liked the music for The Brothers McMullen...
I never watched Titanic, Conán -- I didn't know Hayden and Co. were in it! No one ever mentioned that to me. I guess I'll have to go looking through the DVD for them, now...when in the movie are they?
Zina
If you want to see Arty and Nollaig in a film watch "Hear my Song" starring Ned Beatty ,a comedy about the singer Josef Locke and his adventures.Arty and Co. do some of the soundtrack including "Music for a found harmonium" Great Film.
Whatever about Braveheart and the Titanic (I haven't see either), from personal experience, I do know they've brought a number of young people to ITM. Years ago at music classes youngsters would ask me for the notes of the Titanic tune which turned out to be either Drowsie Maggie or John Ryan's Polka if I remember correctly. As recently as last August a Japanese girl, brought up on classical music, credited the Titanic film with her decision to spend a week learning traditional music down at the Scoil Eigse in Listowel. Whatever about the quality of the ITM on offer in these films there is no doubt but that the end result is more people getting involved which cannot be bad!!
Sorry guys - I was getting mixed up with Hear my Song!!! My memory isn't the best (not a good sign at 29).
Yeah the guys in steerage were Gaelic Storm - I saw them in Lorient one year and wasn't v. impressed; they kept going on about Titanic. How I didn't remember it was them I'll never know!
I totally agree with Bannerman on that point about the end result - people who pick up the music almost by accident will find their own meaning in the tunes. Although things like Riverdance have a lot to answer for, there is bound to be at least one kid out there who goes beyond the facade and looks more deeply into the tradition.
I still really liked the film braveheart. Ive long given up on hearing trad music in films, we are a small group who have really good taste in music - I'm happy with that!
The set in the third class party on Titanic was simply "The Blarney Pilgrim" grouped with "John Ryan's Polka". I still think that Gaelic Storm played the tunes quite nicely. ^^
Folk and Films
Folk and Films
I've just been watching the film Braveheart (Mel Gibson) and had to turn it off half way through because I was finding it so dammed funny - the Scots fighting the English to the sound of Uillean pipes! Have any other musical directors made a similar cock up - I'm yet to notice any.
However, I was very impressed with Titanic in that they managed to get real musicians playing real music in the third class party (that as the only impressive thing in the whole film)- admittedly this was then spoilt by a local school orchestra playing it - that is a complete orchestra!
But on the Billy Connelly show on telly he had some wonderful music -I remember Cara Dillon singing Tommy Sands' There Were Rose - what a great song.
So does folk music on films / TV do more bad than good? I know it doesn't particularly inspire my generation - that is 17 year olds!
# Posted on September 16th 2002 by Nutty Nessie
Re: Folk and Films
Look out for the Bazouki in Titanic!
A good film for folk music (All be it English) is "Far From the Madding Croud".
But I don't think it really matters. Complianing about the Irish pipes in Braveheart is kind of like skirting over the more important made up history.
William Wallace impregnated the King's wife indeed
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
It doesn't really matter.
Since when was any folk music "authentic"?
Only when taken over by the likes of Noel Hill
# Posted on September 16th 2002 by llig leahcim
Re: Folk and Films
Nessie, wasn't it funny to see Cathal Hayden, Arty McGlynn and Nollaig Casey playing in Titanic? I wonder if they made it to the lifeboats. The thing about Braveheart was that it was filmed in Ireland - all the extras in the battle scene were Irish which I suppose is apt given that Irish kerns and conscripts fought with 9and against) the Scots. And wasn't the piper American? Eric Wrigler I think....
Conan
# Posted on September 16th 2002 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Folk and Films
I rather liked the music for The Brothers McMullen...
I never watched Titanic, Conán -- I didn't know Hayden and Co. were in it! No one ever mentioned that to me. I guess I'll have to go looking through the DVD for them, now...when in the movie are they?
Zina
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Zina Lee
Re: Folk and Films
I like the music (and pretty much everything else) in Waking Ned Devine.
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by glauber
Re: Folk and Films
I didn't realise who it was playing in Titanic - thanks for letting me know.
And yes - the story of Braveheart is a bit far fetched!
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Nutty Nessie
Re: Folk and Films
The party scene was Gaelic Storm or whatever they are. When're Hayden, McGlynn and Casey?
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Zina Lee
Re: Folk and Films
Zina
If you want to see Arty and Nollaig in a film watch "Hear my Song" starring Ned Beatty ,a comedy about the singer Josef Locke and his adventures.Arty and Co. do some of the soundtrack including "Music for a found harmonium" Great Film.
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Alanmmcgregor
Re: Folk and Films
Whatever about Braveheart and the Titanic (I haven't see either), from personal experience, I do know they've brought a number of young people to ITM. Years ago at music classes youngsters would ask me for the notes of the Titanic tune which turned out to be either Drowsie Maggie or John Ryan's Polka if I remember correctly. As recently as last August a Japanese girl, brought up on classical music, credited the Titanic film with her decision to spend a week learning traditional music down at the Scoil Eigse in Listowel. Whatever about the quality of the ITM on offer in these films there is no doubt but that the end result is more people getting involved which cannot be bad!!
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Bannerman
Re: Folk and Films
Sorry guys - I was getting mixed up with Hear my Song!!! My memory isn't the best (not a good sign at 29).
Yeah the guys in steerage were Gaelic Storm - I saw them in Lorient one year and wasn't v. impressed; they kept going on about Titanic. How I didn't remember it was them I'll never know!
I totally agree with Bannerman on that point about the end result - people who pick up the music almost by accident will find their own meaning in the tunes. Although things like Riverdance have a lot to answer for, there is bound to be at least one kid out there who goes beyond the facade and looks more deeply into the tradition.
Conan
# Posted on September 17th 2002 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Folk and Films
I still really liked the film braveheart. Ive long given up on hearing trad music in films, we are a small group who have really good taste in music - I'm happy with that!
# Posted on September 18th 2002 by bb
Re: Folk and Films
The set in the third class party on Titanic was simply "The Blarney Pilgrim" grouped with "John Ryan's Polka". I still think that Gaelic Storm played the tunes quite nicely. ^^
# Posted on February 24th 2003 by Air`leth