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THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
From the Belfast Telegraph 24 Nov.......
A federal judge in North Carolina ruled that a form of Irish dancing is erotic and that strip clubs should not face discrimination.
Judge N Carlton Tilley accepted "convincing" evidence by a dance expert that the rhythm of Irish set dancing - which involves a group of people dancing together with rigid upper bodies and pounding legs - replicated the rhythm of sex, even though it is considered a sexless form of dance.
In ruling in favour of two erotic dance clubs, Judge Tilley quoted the evidence of University of Maryland anthropologist and dance expert Dr Judith Hanna, who has studied the sexual meaning of Irish set dancing and other dance types.
He said set dancing could be associated with the act of sex and described Dr Hanna's testimony as "credible and uncontradicted".
In a landmark ruling on the US constitution's freedom of expression provisions, Judge Tilley struck down some provisions of a state law banning erotic dancing and said that it was so broad that the sexually- charged performances of Madonna or Brittany Spears could be prosecuted under the law.
A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's Office, Noelle Tulley, told the Belfast Telegraph that appeal papers had been lodged and they are awaiting an appeal date.
The strip clubs had hoped the ruling would end a five-year battle by erotic dancing clubs against a state law that forbids professional dancers from touching their bodies erotically.
State inspectors had prosecuted a strip club in North Carolina after inspectors saw some of the dancers move suggestively on stage.
The club faced a 30-day suspension of its permit before it decided to fight the case.
After it won the first round before Judge Tilley in 2002, the state assembly rushed through an updated law that banned erotic dancers from dancing in a manner that mimicked sex or that included suggestive fondling of body parts.
However, Judge Tilley said that even a fully clothed person could be prosecuted if their dance routine appeared to mimic sexual acts.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
In view of this most encouraging judicial decision (what better advertisement!) can we now hope for the continued resurgence of Irish set dancing elsewhere in the world outside of N Carolina? (speaking as one who frequently plays in the band for the good ladies and gentlmen set dancers of Dinder in N Somerset, and who knows most of them).
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What amazes me is how the ladies who do the traditional dances of Poland and Lapland manage to keep warm. You know, those Lap-dancers and Pole-dancers. Maybe that's why those kind gentlemen pin money on them to keep them warm. Is Irish dancing heading in this direction? Maybe that's what the judge thought.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Of course, at one time dancing was frowned upon by ecclesiastical authorities. The honorable judge is probably following in this ancient tradition. When I was in my late teens, dancing at the local church youth club was severely regulated by the local priest. He would actually wander round the dance floor with a measuring ruler in his hand to ensure that a boy and girl dancing together didn't get closer than 12 inches. Put me off dancing for ever, I can tell you.
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Danny Mackay, I know you mean that in jest, but unfortunately you could be right. Some the the more southern and far Right judges think the word s-e-x shouldn't even be in the dictionary. Hard to fight hard-core perversion, er, um, I mean conservativism. Slightly off topic but related; we had a school principle in my town who (last year) tried to mandate a dress code for female teachers: skirts, hose and high heels. I basically told him hey---you walk up four flights of steps carrying 3 violins and 2 cellos wearing high heels and then I will.
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Well . . .
I play my button box for the local ceili and stepdance performances and my girlfriend is one of the dancers. I wonder what the honorable judge would think of that combination.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
The worldwide success of Riverdance is now explained - a stage orgy of grand proportions. Ban it now, I say!
Mind you, I have a pet theory that if poor old Ireland is ever to get anywhere again in the Eurovision song contest and outdo those dastardly block voting east european statelets: then we need someone doing a little ditty surrounded by a group of half clothed Irish dancers, strutting their stuff and throwing their legs up or should that be over each other!
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Hey! If you don't think set dancing is sexy you're not doing it right!
Far from being far to the right - I think the point the judge was trying to make is that aw all dancing can be construed as at least potentially sexy to somebody, he would prefer not to single out strippers for special merit. He probably won't last long in North Carolina...
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
...of horizontal desire, I was told. And wouldn't that have been more appropriate in the old days?
I read that the Catholic Church actively encouraged step dancing for young girls in Ireland in the 1930s as it didn't involve physical contact with the opposite sex.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Did anyone notice that the description of "set dancing" actually sounds more like "step dancing?"
"Judge N Carlton Tilley accepted "convincing" evidence by a dance expert that the rhythm of Irish set dancing - which involves a group of people dancing together with rigid upper bodies and pounding legs - replicated the rhythm of sex, even though it is considered a sexless form of dance."
From what I've observed, the "rigid upper bodies" aren't really a feature in set dancing, but definitely part of step dancing.
I'm reminded of a night at the Plough & Stars when some big name act was playing and the place was packed. Some step dancers were invited to dance on the floor in front of the stage who happened to be very lovely and blessed with, uh... pleasant upper halves. Most people couldn't see their feet because of the crowd (except for the people in front) and could only see them from the waist up. Needless to say, the bouncy spectacle was very impressive. I happened to be standing just off the side of the stage at the time so I could look out over the crowd and see their faces. All the guys had eyes like saucers, and most of the women were looking down or laughing.
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No, Trevor, they're not. They telegraph too much. Sorry to disappoint you. - although it has to be pointed out that many top martial arts exponents were formerly dancers.
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Thanks Jim for that info. I wasn't being serious of course, but what brought it to mind is a young woman who occasionally does some fairly spectacular step dancing to our playing at our Monday session. Everyone clears a wide space and I make damn sure I have a bodhran player between me and her high kicks
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Dude. Have you seen the (short) skirts worn by female stepdancers? Showing off their legs quite a lot on those high kicks. And to any sitting audience member.
No wonder the judge rules that the law was overbroad and that you can't single out strip club dancing as more erotic than other types of dance.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
North Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the U.S. Sounds like the judge needs to get out in the world more. He could go to any high school dance in California to see undisguised simulated sex on the dance floor performed by teens with no need for an expert to decide if it were sexual or not. He sounds so steamed up about Irish dancing I am wondering if he himself is performing sex correctly. I'm sure the judge would feint if it were suggested that American square dancing or set dancing that is popular in North Carolina (an immigrant cousin to Irish dancing) is sexual. Hope this case gets thrown out on appeal.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
This reminds me of the stooshy caused here, in Norn Iron, a while back when big Ian Paisley, one of our 'wee' politicians, whom some of you may just have heard of () came out vehemently against 'Line Dancing', saying it was disgusting & obscene & practitioners were obviously depraved.
Very strange, although many thought he was actually confusing Line Dancing with Lap Dancing!
...but hey guys, I know which one I would rather watch!
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Bren, the Noel Coward quote I like is: - "Having to read a footnote resembles having to go downstairs to answer the door while in the midst of making love."
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
...and, hopefully this has never come up before, but there is a Jewish joke where a Hassidic rabbi explains that he has nothing against any sexual position except standing, as it can lead to dancing.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
As kris pointed out, the judge isn't taking a prudish stand at all. He's arguing that the statute used to outlaw strippers is so broad that even Irish dancing could be interepreted as illegal under its definition.
I think the one who has some 'splainin' to do is the U. of Maryland anthropologist who sees Irish dance as redolent with sexual meaning. A step dancer told me that the motionless arms and torso were explained to her as "so the priest could walk by the window and not even know you were dancing." The legs would be going like crazy below the ledge but the upper body would be serene.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Michael Flatly explains the phenomena of dancing straight up with the top motionless was the old "Dutch" doors or half doors in Ireland, and dancing being made illegal by the British. You could have the top open, smile and wave at the local garrison, all the while your bottom half could be dancing.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
I don't get it. So what's wrong with SEX??? Music that stirs the soul (or sexual desire more correctly), banjos, dancing, golf...all sexy to me. Our puritan past continues to haunt us and oppress us. No accounting for taste (or reason) when it comes to human beings...
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
I don't get it. It seems that most of you are upset with the judge's decision.
The judge was merely making a point. The point was:
"You stupid idiots, you can classify anything as sexual if you really want to, so buggr off and leave the strip clubs alone!"
It seems the judge is the only sane person in that crazy state.
Re: THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
Yes, it does seem Judge N Carlton Tilley has a point, after reading Trevor Jennings post mentioning the salacious Set Dancers of Dinder. I have found their raunchy poster (you can find it at... http://www.force11.co.uk/setdance.html) for this year's Ceilidh that is held in the crime capital of Somerset, Croscombe, it is not known if the advert is a deliberate ploy to attract the debauched or just a Freudian slipjig.
If it was deliberate, I think this is all the verification we need to prove that the much maligned priests, mentioned in an earlier post, were perfectly correct in banning such licentiousness, it's as wrong today as it was then.
It was the priest Cornelius O'Cleary, a native of Sliabh Luachraha who first realised set dancing could be used as a substitute for enthusiastic copulation and coined the phrase 'Dirty Dancing', he apparently encouraged priests in surrounding areas to ban all dancing by enlightening them to its sexual content during the lead up to the Great Dance Competitions of 1867, thus securing victory for the Sliabh Luachrahan teams.
The whole sordid business should be brought out into the open, as for the exampled Dinder grope, sorry, group, they have been dancing for several years now, without a single arrest, well, not custodial, so I suggest we try to support our U.S. friends and ban all forms of artistic movement, rhythmic or otherwise.
THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
THE SHAME. Irish Traditional Dancing proves too sexy for US judge
From the Belfast Telegraph 24 Nov.......
A federal judge in North Carolina ruled that a form of Irish dancing is erotic and that strip clubs should not face discrimination.
Judge N Carlton Tilley accepted "convincing" evidence by a dance expert that the rhythm of Irish set dancing - which involves a group of people dancing together with rigid upper bodies and pounding legs - replicated the rhythm of sex, even though it is considered a sexless form of dance.
In ruling in favour of two erotic dance clubs, Judge Tilley quoted the evidence of University of Maryland anthropologist and dance expert Dr Judith Hanna, who has studied the sexual meaning of Irish set dancing and other dance types.
He said set dancing could be associated with the act of sex and described Dr Hanna's testimony as "credible and uncontradicted".
In a landmark ruling on the US constitution's freedom of expression provisions, Judge Tilley struck down some provisions of a state law banning erotic dancing and said that it was so broad that the sexually- charged performances of Madonna or Brittany Spears could be prosecuted under the law.
A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's Office, Noelle Tulley, told the Belfast Telegraph that appeal papers had been lodged and they are awaiting an appeal date.
The strip clubs had hoped the ruling would end a five-year battle by erotic dancing clubs against a state law that forbids professional dancers from touching their bodies erotically.
State inspectors had prosecuted a strip club in North Carolina after inspectors saw some of the dancers move suggestively on stage.
The club faced a 30-day suspension of its permit before it decided to fight the case.
After it won the first round before Judge Tilley in 2002, the state assembly rushed through an updated law that banned erotic dancers from dancing in a manner that mimicked sex or that included suggestive fondling of body parts.
However, Judge Tilley said that even a fully clothed person could be prosecuted if their dance routine appeared to mimic sexual acts.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by jdcorcra
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I blame the guitars.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Key Maniac Lad
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That judge has it right. Hardly any of the Irish musicians I've met in London practise safe sets.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Q
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"safe sets".....laugh, snort. spit out coffee---great one.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by dmarie
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In view of this most encouraging judicial decision (what better advertisement!) can we now hope for the continued resurgence of Irish set dancing elsewhere in the world outside of N Carolina? (speaking as one who frequently plays in the band for the good ladies and gentlmen set dancers of Dinder in N Somerset, and who knows most of them).
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by lazyhound
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Well, this should make my trip home for christmas all the more interesting...
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by pelsor
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thats just crazy...i can't believe that.....and of course now i'll never be able to look at irish dancers the same way ever again...
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by person
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What amazes me is how the ladies who do the traditional dances of Poland and Lapland manage to keep warm. You know, those Lap-dancers and Pole-dancers. Maybe that's why those kind gentlemen pin money on them to keep them warm. Is Irish dancing heading in this direction? Maybe that's what the judge thought.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Key Maniac Lad
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Of course, at one time dancing was frowned upon by ecclesiastical authorities. The honorable judge is probably following in this ancient tradition. When I was in my late teens, dancing at the local church youth club was severely regulated by the local priest. He would actually wander round the dance floor with a measuring ruler in his hand to ensure that a boy and girl dancing together didn't get closer than 12 inches. Put me off dancing for ever, I can tell you.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by lazyhound
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sorry, Larsheen. We've cross-posted.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by lazyhound
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Danny Mackay, I know you mean that in jest, but unfortunately you could be right. Some the the more southern and far Right judges think the word s-e-x shouldn't even be in the dictionary. Hard to fight hard-core perversion, er, um, I mean conservativism. Slightly off topic but related; we had a school principle in my town who (last year) tried to mandate a dress code for female teachers: skirts, hose and high heels. I basically told him hey---you walk up four flights of steps carrying 3 violins and 2 cellos wearing high heels and then I will.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by dmarie
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that should be principal.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by dmarie
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Watching Woman do Irish (or any other) step dancing with all the concomitant harmonic entrainment is sexy; damn right and long may it stay so.
PP
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Pied Piper
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Well . . .
I play my button box for the local ceili and stepdance performances and my girlfriend is one of the dancers. I wonder what the honorable judge would think of that combination.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by juniper
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I'm SO going to more ceilidhs.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Zazzaliss
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The worldwide success of Riverdance is now explained - a stage orgy of grand proportions. Ban it now, I say!
Mind you, I have a pet theory that if poor old Ireland is ever to get anywhere again in the Eurovision song contest and outdo those dastardly block voting east european statelets: then we need someone doing a little ditty surrounded by a group of half clothed Irish dancers, strutting their stuff and throwing their legs up or should that be over each other!
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by the wounded hussar
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I've gone all misty eyed.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by showaddydadito
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Psst. Wanna see some pictures of morris dancing?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Gords
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Hey! If you don't think set dancing is sexy you're not doing it right!
Far from being far to the right - I think the point the judge was trying to make is that aw all dancing can be construed as at least potentially sexy to somebody, he would prefer not to single out strippers for special merit. He probably won't last long in North Carolina...
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by kris
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Didn't someone once say that dancing is the vertical expression of horizontal enjoyment?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by lazyhound
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...of horizontal desire, I was told. And wouldn't that have been more appropriate in the old days?
I read that the Catholic Church actively encouraged step dancing for young girls in Ireland in the 1930s as it didn't involve physical contact with the opposite sex.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by kuec
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Did anyone notice that the description of "set dancing" actually sounds more like "step dancing?"
"Judge N Carlton Tilley accepted "convincing" evidence by a dance expert that the rhythm of Irish set dancing - which involves a group of people dancing together with rigid upper bodies and pounding legs - replicated the rhythm of sex, even though it is considered a sexless form of dance."
From what I've observed, the "rigid upper bodies" aren't really a feature in set dancing, but definitely part of step dancing.
I'm reminded of a night at the Plough & Stars when some big name act was playing and the place was packed. Some step dancers were invited to dance on the floor in front of the stage who happened to be very lovely and blessed with, uh... pleasant upper halves. Most people couldn't see their feet because of the crowd (except for the people in front) and could only see them from the waist up. Needless to say, the bouncy spectacle was very impressive. I happened to be standing just off the side of the stage at the time so I could look out over the crowd and see their faces. All the guys had eyes like saucers, and most of the women were looking down or laughing.
Maybe the Judge witnessed a similar event?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Phantom Button
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Every style of dancing is an art form with sexual dimensions, isn't it? It's an agony we all have to come to terms with. I have.
Jim
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Worldfiddler
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Z. has the right response IMO.
Maybe the Chippendales could be convinced to change to step dancing. What are the odds?
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by cathrynb
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It could also be argued that the leg movements of step dancing are in fact a secret martial art. Perhaps Mr Dorans would like to discuss ...
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by lazyhound
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No, Trevor, they're not. They telegraph too much. Sorry to disappoint you.
- although it has to be pointed out that many top martial arts exponents were formerly dancers.
Jim
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Worldfiddler
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Thanks Jim for that info. I wasn't being serious of course, but what brought it to mind is a young woman who occasionally does some fairly spectacular step dancing to our playing at our Monday session. Everyone clears a wide space and I make damn sure I have a bodhran player between me and her high kicks
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by lazyhound
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Maybe the judge was once consigned fiddling from the orchestra pit. and the dancers that fit Jack's description were prone to high kicks.... .
I have a grumpy face, so I didn't get too much slagging about it.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Owell Mabee
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Dude. Have you seen the (short) skirts worn by female stepdancers? Showing off their legs quite a lot on those high kicks. And to any sitting audience member.
No wonder the judge rules that the law was overbroad and that you can't single out strip club dancing as more erotic than other types of dance.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by TheSilverSpear
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North Carolina is one of the most conservative states in the U.S. Sounds like the judge needs to get out in the world more. He could go to any high school dance in California to see undisguised simulated sex on the dance floor performed by teens with no need for an expert to decide if it were sexual or not. He sounds so steamed up about Irish dancing I am wondering if he himself is performing sex correctly. I'm sure the judge would feint if it were suggested that American square dancing or set dancing that is popular in North Carolina (an immigrant cousin to Irish dancing) is sexual. Hope this case gets thrown out on appeal.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by CeolCairdeas
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This reminds me of the stooshy caused here, in Norn Iron, a while back when big Ian Paisley, one of our 'wee' politicians, whom some of you may just have heard of (
) came out vehemently against 'Line Dancing', saying it was disgusting & obscene & practitioners were obviously depraved.
Very strange, although many thought he was actually confusing Line Dancing with Lap Dancing!
...but hey guys, I know which one I would rather watch!
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Ptarmigan
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Aye, that disgusting practice of having sex, standing up, is an obomination that will only lead to dancing!
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Ptarmigan
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The vertical expression etc, was from George Bernard Shaw.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by dafydd
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I thought it was from Noel Coward.
"In Dublin they're depressed lads
Maybe because they're Celts"
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Bren
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I just wonder if there was a typo in the original law report - "erotic", when "exotic" was intended
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by lazyhound
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Quite correct dafydd:
"Dancing: The vertical expression of a horizontal desire legalized by music."
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Ptarmigan
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Bren, the Noel Coward quote I like is: - "Having to read a footnote resembles having to go downstairs to answer the door while in the midst of making love."
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Ptarmigan
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So the Taliban active in North Carolina I see
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Cath
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...and, hopefully this has never come up before, but there is a Jewish joke where a Hassidic rabbi explains that he has nothing against any sexual position except standing, as it can lead to dancing.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by Cath
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As kris pointed out, the judge isn't taking a prudish stand at all. He's arguing that the statute used to outlaw strippers is so broad that even Irish dancing could be interepreted as illegal under its definition.
I think the one who has some 'splainin' to do is the U. of Maryland anthropologist who sees Irish dance as redolent with sexual meaning. A step dancer told me that the motionless arms and torso were explained to her as "so the priest could walk by the window and not even know you were dancing." The legs would be going like crazy below the ledge but the upper body would be serene.
# Posted on November 27th 2005 by devellis
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Michael Flatly explains the phenomena of dancing straight up with the top motionless was the old "Dutch" doors or half doors in Ireland, and dancing being made illegal by the British. You could have the top open, smile and wave at the local garrison, all the while your bottom half could be dancing.
# Posted on November 27th 2005 by CeolCairdeas
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I don't get it. So what's wrong with SEX??? Music that stirs the soul (or sexual desire more correctly), banjos, dancing, golf...all sexy to me. Our puritan past continues to haunt us and oppress us. No accounting for taste (or reason) when it comes to human beings...
# Posted on November 27th 2005 by banjobabe
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Unfortunate choice of the first 4 words of your contribution, "banjobabe"
# Posted on November 27th 2005 by Kenny
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I don't get it. It seems that most of you are upset with the judge's decision.
The judge was merely making a point. The point was:
"You stupid idiots, you can classify anything as sexual if you really want to, so buggr off and leave the strip clubs alone!"
It seems the judge is the only sane person in that crazy state.
# Posted on November 28th 2005 by Shrog
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Yes, it does seem Judge N Carlton Tilley has a point, after reading Trevor Jennings post mentioning the salacious Set Dancers of Dinder. I have found their raunchy poster (you can find it at... http://www.force11.co.uk/setdance.html) for this year's Ceilidh that is held in the crime capital of Somerset, Croscombe, it is not known if the advert is a deliberate ploy to attract the debauched or just a Freudian slipjig.
If it was deliberate, I think this is all the verification we need to prove that the much maligned priests, mentioned in an earlier post, were perfectly correct in banning such licentiousness, it's as wrong today as it was then.
It was the priest Cornelius O'Cleary, a native of Sliabh Luachraha who first realised set dancing could be used as a substitute for enthusiastic copulation and coined the phrase 'Dirty Dancing', he apparently encouraged priests in surrounding areas to ban all dancing by enlightening them to its sexual content during the lead up to the Great Dance Competitions of 1867, thus securing victory for the Sliabh Luachrahan teams.
The whole sordid business should be brought out into the open, as for the exampled Dinder grope, sorry, group, they have been dancing for several years now, without a single arrest, well, not custodial, so I suggest we try to support our U.S. friends and ban all forms of artistic movement, rhythmic or otherwise.
# Posted on November 28th 2005 by Rich Blaker
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Nothing was banned - the judge ruled in FAVOUR of the sexy dancing.
# Posted on November 29th 2005 by Shrog