I don't know if everyone here celebrates Thanksgiving, but I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
I was wondering if anyone has had any funny Thanksgiving or other funny holiday stories. i know that holidays always lead to all sorts of stupid stories that turn out being histerical. (Did I spell that right?) I know I've had a few....
- The Celtic Chef
I had my first Thanksgiving today; got invited by a nice American guy - delicious Turkey and everything, had to follow the tradition afterwards; unbutton my trousers and watch american football.
It's my favorite holiday. All my kids are here,and back from college. As I type this, it's almost 2:30 PM and the whole house is filled with the smell of turkey and pies, and we have a few more hours to wait. Lots of football, and tomorrow I begin my busking career on the streets of Boston with my homemade flute.
"I don't know if everyone here celebrates Thanksgiving"
Seems unlikely, given the international nature of the board. I suppose the English and Dutch might have cause to celebrate having gotten rid of those SOBs.
Native Americans might well observe a day of mourning.
Thanks, Celtic Chef! I'm headed out right now to join my family and savor the dinner aromas. Greg, hope you make lots of $$ with your flute. My group's going to invade the mall with fiddles, mandos and autoharp. Hope everyone has a fun and blessed holiday. If you don't celebrate it, have fun and be blessed anyway.
Did you have to call the turkey hotline to save your dinner? We were informed about them on the radio this morning.
I read in the paper that as from today there are no more fixed closing times in English pubs. Now does that make you lot over there feel thankful? Will it affect your session?
The illustrating photograph showed prince Charles with a pint of Thwaite's. The comment told us cheekily that now the prince had to drink all night like everyone else.
This goes out to Jeremy, of course. Here in the States, we have a national holiday to take stock of the things we have to be thankful for. Yeah, I know, its origins go back to the generous help of the native americans who saw the puritans through the winter. The Irish have little reason to love the puritans (to hell or connaught and that). But it’s a nice lttle pull up, a chance to stop in our self obsssessed carrerr through this world and it relates well to mr gilders thread about a lto tof the bitching that goes on here. Thanki you or all being here and spening enough tinme to share thoughts. It’s a little wam and fuxzazy, and it might be the wine talking, but I ish you all so much good will, the triptofan is starting to kick in now . Oh. Oh….
There were no Puritans at the first Thanksgiving. They didn't arrive until several years later. "The Pilgrims" weren't pilgrims either. They were Adventists who liked to refer to themselves as "The Saints" and came to America without bothering to bring stores for the winter, seeds or farming equipment because they expected to be raptured before winter fell, not settle. Bummer for them. In short, they starved not because of the harsh winter, but because they were idiots.
Squanto, by the way, spoke with "The Pilgrims" (a term invented by late 19th, early 20th century Christian Fundamentalists who wanted to convince people that Christianity was an American tradition) in the King's English, having just returned from 14 years in London only to find his tribe extinct due to plauge introduced by the earlier European explorers who had brought him to London as a slave in the first place.
"The Pilgrims" gave a prayer of thanks to God for said plague before leaving England. Nasty bunch of folk.
". . .the triptofan is starting to kick in now ."
Lentils and trail mix for me. Among the best vegetable sources. A couple pots of coffee in lieu of the wine seems to be counteracting that though.
uhhhh..it's not the tryptophan (veggie here) but the carbs...duhhh!!!
KFG I'm sure your culture/heritage never did anything close to persecution...you're pretty quick to jump on a thread to offer up some criticism there...hope it's making you feel good...
but you do offer up a good reason not to be of the christian fundamentalist persuasion...
fidkid has got the right persepective...at this point in the game, it is a National Holiday to stop and give pause to what we are thankful for...I most certainly have done that today...
I would like to respectfully disagree with what is being said about the pilgrims and Christians in this thread.
KFG-I would like to know where you are getting your information, because I have never heard anything remotely like your history.
As for KFG's history being good reason not to be of the Christian fundamentalist persuasion, I would also like to respectfully disagree. (Sunnybear- what exactly do you mean by "fundamentalist"?) Christians are made up of imperfect people. Also, not every group of people who claim to be Christians actually are.
I do not want to argue. I do not want to fight.
I would like my beliefs to be respected. I would like my voice to be heard.
"KFG I'm sure your culture/heritage never did anything close to persecution..."
Everyone of my cultures/heritages (I have many) was both persecuted and persecuted the living s*** out of some other culture, including Native Americans, with whom I share no heritage or culture of which I am aware.
One of my heritages is the root of the very word Slav(e). They also became Cossacks. Another of my heritages is the very touchstone of persecution in modern times, and yet they gained the "right" to their "native" lands by the brutal massacre of the people who were already living there at the time.
I imagine the like is true of all cultures.
And yet this does not stop us from mourning the loss of life in NYC, Kuta and London, nor is there any reason why it should. At least the plauges that devasted the Eastern Woodland Native Americans were pure accident and I never said anything to indicate they were otherwise.
The prayer of thanks for delivering it was not.
It was offered by way of being greatful for not having to persecute anyone for the use of the land. God had done that already, you see? It was the prayer that was the nasty bit of work, not any "persecution." Which is why I never mentioned any. So I'm not sure why you did.
"My People" first came to America with the first Puritans in the early 1630s. I am an American. Hence "we" would have been the persecutors, had there been much of anybody here to pursecute except for other Europeans.
Here's an excerpt from a letter of the Governor of the Bay Colony to a friend back in England:
"But for the natives in these parts, God hath so pursued them, as for 300 miles space the greatest part of them are swept away by the smallpox which still continues among them. So as God hath thereby cleared our title to this place, those who remain in these parts, being in all not 50, have put themselves under out protection."
There was practically no one left to persecute, and those few left looked to the Europeans as helpers to survive. They helped each other, the Natives giving local knowledge and the Europeans supplying needed extra manpower.
Estimates range from 90 to 96% of the Native populace of MA being killed by the plague *before* the arrival of "The Pilgrims."
"KFG-I would like to know where you are getting your information, because I have never heard anything remotely like your history."
They're called "libraries." I've found the ones in Boston and Salem MA particularly useful, as they either have the actual primary sources or good facsimilies. I've never been to Plymouth.
You probably have not heard anything remotely like my history because you had the misfortune to learn yours in school. They don't teach history there. They teach the Creation Myth. Every culture gets one sooner or later. In America we got ours at the turn of the 20th century. Read some of the speeches of Teddy Roosevelt. He opposed their adoption mightly.
In your own library you should find a book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me." It's not a perfect book, but it includes references so it'll get ya started.
"As for KFG's history being good reason not to be of the Christian fundamentalist persuasion, I would also like to respectfully disagree."
Of course I offered no argument of the kind. I do advise not being an idiot though, so when you climb the mountain to wait for the rapture I advise you to pack a lunch. God may not be operating to your estimate of his schedule and you may find you need it.
"I would like my beliefs to be respected. I would like my voice to be heard."
I will respect your right to hold your beliefs and voice them until my death.
This is not at all the same thing as respecting your beliefs. As it happens I am entitiled to my own beliefs and to have my own voice heard. Reciprocity. The idea that the actual belief itself must be respected is pure poppycock, a fact that religious fundamentalists of all stripes rely on heavily.
"You're going to hell."
"No, you are."
Doesn't matter which one is right. Condemnation to Hell is not a sign of respect so I need not respect the beliefs of either.
Reciprocity. You get it by giving it.
I give you a universe devoid of hell. Will you reciprocate?
We had our "Thanksgiving" dinner in a fish restaurant, then went on to a session. Well, No. 1 son is semi-veggie, will only eat fish, daughter is off at uni, lounge/diner is dissassembled for the builders and decorators. Anyway, over here this side of the Big Ditch, we eat Turkey at Christmas/Yule, so twice is superfluous.
Wsh I had SOs' article she wrote for the local free paper a year or two ago, explaining the significance of Thanksgiving, Abe Lincolns' decision to make it a national holiday at a time of national strife, as a means of bringing together warring factions, why he ignored earlier and less successful settlements further down the coast, the whole mythology of the Pilgrim Fathers.
But anyway, why did they bring a printing-press with them if they thought the Rapture was going to take them by the end of the year ?
PS did the turkey peck Dubya in the pecker ths year ?
"But anyway, why did they bring a printing-press with them if they thought the Rapture was going to take them by the end of the year ?"
To print the rapture flyers, obviously. You can't have a rapture without flyers. There's some sort of rule about it. Ask the JW the next time you buy a Watchtower. The Virginia Company of London also expected them to stay around for seven years, in Virginia, where the flyers would have been handed out had things gone according to plan.
Fooled them with that whole MA/Mayflower Compact thingy. Under the circumstances they never really took their indentured status very seriously anyway.
kfg, if you don't want to celebrate Thanksgiving, then don't...I could care less, but why do you have to come on as putting others down for what they want to celebrate? Are you this way in a session, too?
Well, I hope youre all happy. CELTICCHEF83 simply wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving, and it deteriorated into some flaming. Well done.
Actually, it was a perfect Thanksgiving thread, mirroring real life where the dysfunctional family gathers (Im sitting at the fold-up card table at the end, waiting for one of my elders to pass on so I can move up to the big table). A little drinking, a little belligerence, some people running tearfully from the table. Ahhh, sweet holidays.
jeeeeeeeeeez kfg you must be the most sarcastic person EVER....while its annoying on one hand i must admire you on the other...yeah pretty bad weather today.took me 2and a half hrs to get from enfield to maynooth this morning,so bad.
KFG's comments were very interesting. I still don't agree with everything said, but am no longer offended.
KFG-I'm not quite sure what you are saying about hell. I believe that it exists and that it is necessary. However, I, personally, am not going to condemn anyone to go there.
I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday weekend, despite the discussion raised in this thread. Thanksgiving is over, but everyone have a great weekend.
I've heard of confusion stemming from time changes and jetlag, but six weeks must be a new record.
Hello-o-o! Thanksgiving took place on October 10th!
Those of you who put it off until now have good reason to be so bad-tempered.
Easy now. I'm a direct descendent from a Mayflower Pilgrim, and my wife's part Native American, so my kids have all sides covered. Any more dissin' my holiday and I'll send the Indian/Pilgrim knee-biters after 'yall. We know where you live.
I've had to completely revamp my concept of this holiday. I like the idea of getting together with the family and having a meal, but I don't buy into the myth that surrounds the event. Everything that happened to the Native Americans as a result of the white man coming to these shores is one of the world's most shameful atrocities that deserves no celebration.
On the other hand, once you extract the myth out of the day and just enjoy getting together as family and friends -- it's a great holiday. Better than Christmas really -- no major commercial enterprise relying on you to feel obliged to exchange gifts. To me Christmas, in the US anyway, represents how the moneychangers of biblical infamy won in the end and turned the birth of Jesus into a pivotal economic monstrosity. I think the holiday should be canceled and let Easter be a time for Christians to celebrate the life of Jesus.
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
I don't know if everyone here celebrates Thanksgiving, but I just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!
I was wondering if anyone has had any funny Thanksgiving or other funny holiday stories. i know that holidays always lead to all sorts of stupid stories that turn out being histerical. (Did I spell that right?) I know I've had a few....
- The Celtic Chef
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by CELTICCHEF83
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I had my first Thanksgiving today; got invited by a nice American guy - delicious Turkey and everything, had to follow the tradition afterwards; unbutton my trousers and watch american football.
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by ecidralla
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Burp--c'use
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by I_Fel
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It's my favorite holiday. All my kids are here,and back from college. As I type this, it's almost 2:30 PM and the whole house is filled with the smell of turkey and pies, and we have a few more hours to wait. Lots of football, and tomorrow I begin my busking career on the streets of Boston with my homemade flute.
Happy T'day to all.
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by Greg the Piano Tuner
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"I don't know if everyone here celebrates Thanksgiving"
Seems unlikely, given the international nature of the board. I suppose the English and Dutch might have cause to celebrate having gotten rid of those SOBs.
Native Americans might well observe a day of mourning.
"Did I spell that right?"
No, but then it's all Greek for "womb" to me.
KFG
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by KFG
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Thanks, Celtic Chef! I'm headed out right now to join my family and savor the dinner aromas. Greg, hope you make lots of $$ with your flute. My group's going to invade the mall with fiddles, mandos and autoharp. Hope everyone has a fun and blessed holiday. If you don't celebrate it, have fun and be blessed anyway.
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by dmarie
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"If you don't celebrate it, have fun and be blessed anyway."
There ya go.
KFG
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by KFG
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Did you have to call the turkey hotline to save your dinner?
We were informed about them on the radio this morning.
I read in the paper that as from today there are no more fixed closing times in English pubs. Now does that make you lot over there feel thankful? Will it affect your session?
The illustrating photograph showed prince Charles with a pint of Thwaite's. The comment told us cheekily that now the prince had to drink all night like everyone else.
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by kuec
Re: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
No - we don't do that holiday over here.
And agree with Kevin's comments about the Native Americans - hardly a day to celebrate for them.
Nevertheless - hope you that are thankful have a really great family day with plenty of good food, good cheer, good company and good tunes.
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by breandan
Thank you, Yellow Board.
This goes out to Jeremy, of course. Here in the States, we have a national holiday to take stock of the things we have to be thankful for. Yeah, I know, its origins go back to the generous help of the native americans who saw the puritans through the winter. The Irish have little reason to love the puritans (to hell or connaught and that). But it’s a nice lttle pull up, a chance to stop in our self obsssessed carrerr through this world and it relates well to mr gilders thread about a lto tof the bitching that goes on here. Thanki you or all being here and spening enough tinme to share thoughts. It’s a little wam and fuxzazy, and it might be the wine talking, but I ish you all so much good will, the triptofan is starting to kick in now . Oh. Oh….
# Posted on November 24th 2005 by fidkid
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". . .who saw the puritans through the winter."
There were no Puritans at the first Thanksgiving. They didn't arrive until several years later. "The Pilgrims" weren't pilgrims either. They were Adventists who liked to refer to themselves as "The Saints" and came to America without bothering to bring stores for the winter, seeds or farming equipment because they expected to be raptured before winter fell, not settle. Bummer for them. In short, they starved not because of the harsh winter, but because they were idiots.
Squanto, by the way, spoke with "The Pilgrims" (a term invented by late 19th, early 20th century Christian Fundamentalists who wanted to convince people that Christianity was an American tradition) in the King's English, having just returned from 14 years in London only to find his tribe extinct due to plauge introduced by the earlier European explorers who had brought him to London as a slave in the first place.
"The Pilgrims" gave a prayer of thanks to God for said plague before leaving England. Nasty bunch of folk.
". . .the triptofan is starting to kick in now ."
Lentils and trail mix for me. Among the best vegetable sources. A couple pots of coffee in lieu of the wine seems to be counteracting that though.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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Vegtabel sources, sir? Ar e you referring to “the kind”, the herb?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by fidkid
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If smoking lentils does it for you, what the hey. I think it works better with salmon, but the draw is lousy and it's hard to keep them lit.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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LOL! my salmon dealer is trying to interest me in some hydroponic caviar... but I've never really been into the ol' bolivian marching chowder.
I'm not a merkin, but I am thankful I got a job today! Now I will now only have to busk for pocket money, and not rent. Woo woo!
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Q
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Say, what's the latest theory about what happened at Roanoke anyway?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Q
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The Roanoke Triangle of Crop Circles from Atlantis, or as the colonists called it, Croatan.
Every now and again I actually think about composing an Air for Virginia Dare, but not very hard.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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Hey, congrats on the job, Q. Best wishes.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by fidkid
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uhhhh..it's not the tryptophan (veggie here) but the carbs...duhhh!!!
KFG I'm sure your culture/heritage never did anything close to persecution...you're pretty quick to jump on a thread to offer up some criticism there...hope it's making you feel good...
but you do offer up a good reason not to be of the christian fundamentalist persuasion...
fidkid has got the right persepective...at this point in the game, it is a National Holiday to stop and give pause to what we are thankful for...I most certainly have done that today...
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Sunnybear
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oh...you're an "international man of mystery"...hard to tell where you're form...seems you're pretty worldly, though...not
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Sunnybear
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I would like to respectfully disagree with what is being said about the pilgrims and Christians in this thread.
KFG-I would like to know where you are getting your information, because I have never heard anything remotely like your history.
As for KFG's history being good reason not to be of the Christian fundamentalist persuasion, I would also like to respectfully disagree. (Sunnybear- what exactly do you mean by "fundamentalist"?) Christians are made up of imperfect people. Also, not every group of people who claim to be Christians actually are.
I do not want to argue. I do not want to fight.
I would like my beliefs to be respected. I would like my voice to be heard.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by TJ
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"KFG I'm sure your culture/heritage never did anything close to persecution..."
Everyone of my cultures/heritages (I have many) was both persecuted and persecuted the living s*** out of some other culture, including Native Americans, with whom I share no heritage or culture of which I am aware.
One of my heritages is the root of the very word Slav(e). They also became Cossacks. Another of my heritages is the very touchstone of persecution in modern times, and yet they gained the "right" to their "native" lands by the brutal massacre of the people who were already living there at the time.
I imagine the like is true of all cultures.
And yet this does not stop us from mourning the loss of life in NYC, Kuta and London, nor is there any reason why it should. At least the plauges that devasted the Eastern Woodland Native Americans were pure accident and I never said anything to indicate they were otherwise.
The prayer of thanks for delivering it was not.
It was offered by way of being greatful for not having to persecute anyone for the use of the land. God had done that already, you see? It was the prayer that was the nasty bit of work, not any "persecution." Which is why I never mentioned any. So I'm not sure why you did.
"My People" first came to America with the first Puritans in the early 1630s. I am an American. Hence "we" would have been the persecutors, had there been much of anybody here to pursecute except for other Europeans.
Here's an excerpt from a letter of the Governor of the Bay Colony to a friend back in England:
"But for the natives in these parts, God hath so pursued them, as for 300 miles space the greatest part of them are swept away by the smallpox which still continues among them. So as God hath thereby cleared our title to this place, those who remain in these parts, being in all not 50, have put themselves under out protection."
There was practically no one left to persecute, and those few left looked to the Europeans as helpers to survive. They helped each other, the Natives giving local knowledge and the Europeans supplying needed extra manpower.
Estimates range from 90 to 96% of the Native populace of MA being killed by the plague *before* the arrival of "The Pilgrims."
"KFG-I would like to know where you are getting your information, because I have never heard anything remotely like your history."
They're called "libraries." I've found the ones in Boston and Salem MA particularly useful, as they either have the actual primary sources or good facsimilies. I've never been to Plymouth.
You probably have not heard anything remotely like my history because you had the misfortune to learn yours in school. They don't teach history there. They teach the Creation Myth. Every culture gets one sooner or later. In America we got ours at the turn of the 20th century. Read some of the speeches of Teddy Roosevelt. He opposed their adoption mightly.
In your own library you should find a book called "Lies My Teacher Told Me." It's not a perfect book, but it includes references so it'll get ya started.
"As for KFG's history being good reason not to be of the Christian fundamentalist persuasion, I would also like to respectfully disagree."
Of course I offered no argument of the kind. I do advise not being an idiot though, so when you climb the mountain to wait for the rapture I advise you to pack a lunch. God may not be operating to your estimate of his schedule and you may find you need it.
"I would like my beliefs to be respected. I would like my voice to be heard."
I will respect your right to hold your beliefs and voice them until my death.
This is not at all the same thing as respecting your beliefs. As it happens I am entitiled to my own beliefs and to have my own voice heard. Reciprocity. The idea that the actual belief itself must be respected is pure poppycock, a fact that religious fundamentalists of all stripes rely on heavily.
"You're going to hell."
"No, you are."
Doesn't matter which one is right. Condemnation to Hell is not a sign of respect so I need not respect the beliefs of either.
Reciprocity. You get it by giving it.
I give you a universe devoid of hell. Will you reciprocate?
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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Q, congrats on the new job. Don't get the holes in your flute fixed. I have a feeling you'll like it better as it is.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by justwhistle
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..........& while you are all still in a jolly Thanksgiving mood:
http://wilstar.com/holidays/overriv.htm
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Ptarmigan
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As it happens we got our first snowstorm today.
"I'm dreaming of a white, Thanksgiving. . ."
I hate nightmares.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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We had our "Thanksgiving" dinner in a fish restaurant, then went on to a session. Well, No. 1 son is semi-veggie, will only eat fish, daughter is off at uni, lounge/diner is dissassembled for the builders and decorators. Anyway, over here this side of the Big Ditch, we eat Turkey at Christmas/Yule, so twice is superfluous.
Wsh I had SOs' article she wrote for the local free paper a year or two ago, explaining the significance of Thanksgiving, Abe Lincolns' decision to make it a national holiday at a time of national strife, as a means of bringing together warring factions, why he ignored earlier and less successful settlements further down the coast, the whole mythology of the Pilgrim Fathers.
But anyway, why did they bring a printing-press with them if they thought the Rapture was going to take them by the end of the year ?
PS did the turkey peck Dubya in the pecker ths year ?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Guernsey Pete
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"But anyway, why did they bring a printing-press with them if they thought the Rapture was going to take them by the end of the year ?"
To print the rapture flyers, obviously. You can't have a rapture without flyers. There's some sort of rule about it. Ask the JW the next time you buy a Watchtower. The Virginia Company of London also expected them to stay around for seven years, in Virginia, where the flyers would have been handed out had things gone according to plan.
Fooled them with that whole MA/Mayflower Compact thingy. Under the circumstances they never really took their indentured status very seriously anyway.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
Re: Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
kfg, if you don't want to celebrate Thanksgiving, then don't...I could care less, but why do you have to come on as putting others down for what they want to celebrate? Are you this way in a session, too?
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by Sunnybear
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Well, I hope youre all happy. CELTICCHEF83 simply wanted to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving, and it deteriorated into some flaming. Well done.
Actually, it was a perfect Thanksgiving thread, mirroring real life where the dysfunctional family gathers (Im sitting at the fold-up card table at the end, waiting for one of my elders to pass on so I can move up to the big table). A little drinking, a little belligerence, some people running tearfully from the table. Ahhh, sweet holidays.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by fidkid
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"why do you have to come on as putting others down for what they want to celebrate?"
I don't, and I didn't.
Have fun and be blessed.
KFG
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by KFG
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jeeeeeeeeeez kfg you must be the most sarcastic person EVER....while its annoying on one hand i must admire you on the other...yeah pretty bad weather today.took me 2and a half hrs to get from enfield to maynooth this morning,so bad.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by person
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FWIW, I didnt think KFG was putting anyone down and found his comments appropriate and interesting, as usual.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by fidkid
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KFG's comments were very interesting. I still don't agree with everything said, but am no longer offended.
KFG-I'm not quite sure what you are saying about hell. I believe that it exists and that it is necessary. However, I, personally, am not going to condemn anyone to go there.
I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday weekend, despite the discussion raised in this thread. Thanksgiving is over, but everyone have a great weekend.
# Posted on November 25th 2005 by TJ
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I've heard of confusion stemming from time changes and jetlag, but six weeks must be a new record.
Hello-o-o! Thanksgiving took place on October 10th!
Those of you who put it off until now have good reason to be so bad-tempered.
# Posted on November 26th 2005 by oldstrings
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Easy now. I'm a direct descendent from a Mayflower Pilgrim, and my wife's part Native American, so my kids have all sides covered. Any more dissin' my holiday and I'll send the Indian/Pilgrim knee-biters after 'yall. We know where you live.
# Posted on November 28th 2005 by TiiiM
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I've had to completely revamp my concept of this holiday. I like the idea of getting together with the family and having a meal, but I don't buy into the myth that surrounds the event. Everything that happened to the Native Americans as a result of the white man coming to these shores is one of the world's most shameful atrocities that deserves no celebration.
On the other hand, once you extract the myth out of the day and just enjoy getting together as family and friends -- it's a great holiday. Better than Christmas really -- no major commercial enterprise relying on you to feel obliged to exchange gifts. To me Christmas, in the US anyway, represents how the moneychangers of biblical infamy won in the end and turned the birth of Jesus into a pivotal economic monstrosity. I think the holiday should be canceled and let Easter be a time for Christians to celebrate the life of Jesus.
I know what you’re thinking – bah humbug!
# Posted on November 29th 2005 by Phantom Button