I don't! My parents were both from China. I envy those of you who DO, though, because it apparently means that you can easily get dual citizenship (the country where you were born and Irish), which means that you can work in Europe and Ireland without a greencard, which means that you can go to Ireland or England and study and play the music and support your habit by working a day job!
My partner Anne Marie Kennedy told me about this. Apparently you just have to fill out some form and send it to the embassy in San Francisco. Anyone else know about this process?
Zina, I hope that's true, but it will only help me if it reaches back to great-grandparents (on my father's side, from County Roscommon). The other rumor that intriques me is that artists (writers, musicians, painters, etc.) living in Ireland are exempt from income taxes. Any truth to that?
Of course, my own dad, a native of Brooklyn NY, was raised to remain firmly planted on New World soil and NEVER return to the land of American wakes. He did go, of course, with family in tow when I was about 5 for a two week vacation. That was the extent of Irish heritage in my family until I took up fiddle. When I could finally play enough to carry a tune, it sparked all sorts of memories in my Dad of an uncle who played trad fiddle in NYC and was the black sheep for it. Funny how things turn around....
Oh, and that I don't know about. But I do know there's a lot more subsidies of the arts in Ireland (well, really, all of Europe) than here in the States, Will. The Scoiltrad lads were going to try for the subsidied arts flights to the US (imagine that!), but they were all taken by the time they tried for them.
So who knows, perhaps they are? Maybe I may go do a little hunting round on the Net...
An innovation for the benefit of artists was inaugurated in 1983 - the Aosdana scheme 4. The scheme is organized by the Arts Council and it is an affiliation of creative artists who have contributed significantly to the arts in Ireland. According to the scheme, artists can compete for an annual tax-free grant for a five-year period. The creative arts represented by Aosdana are literature, visual arts, and music.
One of my brothers, who is an archaeologist working in Ireland, has been trying for years to do the paperwork on this. Our grandfather was born in Glenfarne, Leitrim, Ireland, but since the birth certificate for our father was lost in a fire of the courthouse where he was born, we are blocked at the point of proving that our grandfather was our father's father... the paperwork isn't complete. Yes, you can get dual citizenship if your grandparents were born in Ireland. My grandfather died in 1951, and our parents died in 1979, and there was no passport or birth certificate to be found after our father's death, so that is our stumbling block in the process.
Will, I think you can get tax exemption in the Republic if you can prove that you are are a creative artist with the emphasis very much on creative but Zina's link probably has chapter and verse on this.
My maternal grandfather was of Irish descent but was born in the US. Mom's mother was German, and Dad's parents were off-the-boat Hungarians (actually, my first interest in the violin was to play Hungarian Gypsy music and csardas). Although I've played viloin for almost 35 years, I discovered the joys of Irish fiddle only in the past 10 years or so.
My father was 100% Irish. We are tracing my grandfather's tree, Bernard Farrell for information. My grandmother, Maggie played the fiddle as did her son, Bernard. He bought me my first fiddle and encouraged my parents to give me lessons @ $1.00 an hour for seven years until I decided to play football. Picked it up again 19 years ago to get into old timey and Irish.
yep. Irish born 'n' bred I am. Not that you know who I am cos I haven't really been partaking too much in the discussions. maybe I should post my details on the 'who are you' discussion ....
I recently checked into this getting Irish citizenship/passport business and the bottom line, which applies in my case, is that great-grandparents won't cut the mustard "except under very special circumstances." I take it that the special circumstances are something like if you are a high ranking official from some country or as a result of a diplomatic "favor"--neither of which would apply to me.
Then I had a *brilliant* thought: if I'd just get my mother to get her citizenship then I'd be in like flin. But no this doesn't work either, of course, unless the parent had already acquired Irish citizen when you were born. (Hint: for those who are eligible, get your citizenship approved before you have kids so then your kids will be be eligible).
So I think that I'm pretty much SOL, unless of course someone knows of a fine Irish lass out there who'd...okay I won't go there.
Does it work the same if your grands were from Northern Ireland?
Another comment for you, Zina about why you're not as interested in Chinese music ... When I first started listening to Irish music, it struck me that sometimes, on some tunes, I heard a similarity to Chinese music. A lot of Irish music consists of unison melodys played by a variety of instruments - usually winds and violins. It's the same with a lot of Chinese music. Also, a lot of Irish tunes mostly confine themselves to the pentatonic scale, as does a lot of Chinese music. And finally, there is a lot of ornamentation in both Irish and Chinese music.
Hmm. We have world-beat Celtic bands, and that afro-Celtic group, how about an Asian-Celtic fusion group?
I haven't a drop of Irish blood in me (I'm a Jewish vegetarian, so I don't even eat black puddings, Irish or otherwise). There is now, however, Irish in my family - my cousin's Irish girlfriend gave birth to a son last year. Perhaps this will bring me closer to the music.
Hehehe...jomac, what a great idea! Of course, then I'd have to take up some kind of Chinese music. Hmmm. Or maybe I could find an Irish person who plays Chinese music, and then I could play the Irish, and they could play the Chinese, wouldn't that be lovely! Heh.
I have and my great grandieo was a runner for the I.R.B I come from a very Irish family and myself i'm a member of the irish Army. I love my country and i'm well proud of it. Dublin is where my grandad comes from and i'm not sure about my granny she's a Gorman so i'd say it's Kildare.
Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
I don't! My parents were both from China. I envy those of you who DO, though, because it apparently means that you can easily get dual citizenship (the country where you were born and Irish), which means that you can work in Europe and Ireland without a greencard, which means that you can go to Ireland or England and study and play the music and support your habit by working a day job!
My partner Anne Marie Kennedy told me about this. Apparently you just have to fill out some form and send it to the embassy in San Francisco. Anyone else know about this process?
Zina
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by Zina Lee
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
Zina, I hope that's true, but it will only help me if it reaches back to great-grandparents (on my father's side, from County Roscommon). The other rumor that intriques me is that artists (writers, musicians, painters, etc.) living in Ireland are exempt from income taxes. Any truth to that?
Of course, my own dad, a native of Brooklyn NY, was raised to remain firmly planted on New World soil and NEVER return to the land of American wakes. He did go, of course, with family in tow when I was about 5 for a two week vacation. That was the extent of Irish heritage in my family until I took up fiddle. When I could finally play enough to carry a tune, it sparked all sorts of memories in my Dad of an uncle who played trad fiddle in NYC and was the black sheep for it. Funny how things turn around....
Will
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by Will Harmon
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
I don't know about great-grandparents, Will, but I can ask Anne Marie if she knows.
Why isn't Chinese music as interesting to me as Irish, I wonder?
Zina
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by Zina Lee
Exempt from taxes
Oh, and that I don't know about. But I do know there's a lot more subsidies of the arts in Ireland (well, really, all of Europe) than here in the States, Will. The Scoiltrad lads were going to try for the subsidied arts flights to the US (imagine that!), but they were all taken by the time they tried for them.
So who knows, perhaps they are? Maybe I may go do a little hunting round on the Net...
Zina
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by Zina Lee
Aha.
From: http://www.culturelink.org/culpol/ireland.html
An excerpt, to interest you, Will!
An innovation for the benefit of artists was inaugurated in 1983 - the Aosdana scheme 4. The scheme is organized by the Arts Council and it is an affiliation of creative artists who have contributed significantly to the arts in Ireland. According to the scheme, artists can compete for an annual tax-free grant for a five-year period. The creative arts represented by Aosdana are literature, visual arts, and music.
It's a very interesting report, I thought.
Zina
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by Zina Lee
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
One of my brothers, who is an archaeologist working in Ireland, has been trying for years to do the paperwork on this. Our grandfather was born in Glenfarne, Leitrim, Ireland, but since the birth certificate for our father was lost in a fire of the courthouse where he was born, we are blocked at the point of proving that our grandfather was our father's father... the paperwork isn't complete. Yes, you can get dual citizenship if your grandparents were born in Ireland. My grandfather died in 1951, and our parents died in 1979, and there was no passport or birth certificate to be found after our father's death, so that is our stumbling block in the process.
Alice
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by aliceflynn
Re: Exempt from taxes
Will, I think you can get tax exemption in the Republic if you can prove that you are are a creative artist with the emphasis very much on creative but Zina's link probably has chapter and verse on this.
# Posted on August 30th 2001 by biggus dave
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
My maternal grandfather was of Irish descent but was born in the US. Mom's mother was German, and Dad's parents were off-the-boat Hungarians (actually, my first interest in the violin was to play Hungarian Gypsy music and csardas). Although I've played viloin for almost 35 years, I discovered the joys of Irish fiddle only in the past 10 years or so.
# Posted on August 31st 2001 by JeffK627
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
My father was 100% Irish. We are tracing my grandfather's tree, Bernard Farrell for information. My grandmother, Maggie played the fiddle as did her son, Bernard. He bought me my first fiddle and encouraged my parents to give me lessons @ $1.00 an hour for seven years until I decided to play football. Picked it up again 19 years ago to get into old timey and Irish.
# Posted on September 2nd 2001 by Bernard Farrell
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
Y'know, my husband is of Scottish/Swiss ancestry. I wonder if any other countries do the dual citizenship as easily as apparently Ireland does?
Zina
# Posted on September 3rd 2001 by Zina Lee
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
yep. Irish born 'n' bred I am. Not that you know who I am cos I haven't really been partaking too much in the discussions. maybe I should post my details on the 'who are you' discussion ....
# Posted on September 5th 2001 by pof
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
I recently checked into this getting Irish citizenship/passport business and the bottom line, which applies in my case, is that great-grandparents won't cut the mustard "except under very special circumstances." I take it that the special circumstances are something like if you are a high ranking official from some country or as a result of a diplomatic "favor"--neither of which would apply to me.
Then I had a *brilliant* thought: if I'd just get my mother to get her citizenship then I'd be in like flin. But no this doesn't work either, of course, unless the parent had already acquired Irish citizen when you were born. (Hint: for those who are eligible, get your citizenship approved before you have kids so then your kids will be be eligible).
So I think that I'm pretty much SOL, unless of course someone knows of a fine Irish lass out there who'd...okay I won't go there.
# Posted on September 5th 2001 by Brendan
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
Does it work the same if your grands were from Northern Ireland?
Another comment for you, Zina about why you're not as interested in Chinese music ... When I first started listening to Irish music, it struck me that sometimes, on some tunes, I heard a similarity to Chinese music. A lot of Irish music consists of unison melodys played by a variety of instruments - usually winds and violins. It's the same with a lot of Chinese music. Also, a lot of Irish tunes mostly confine themselves to the pentatonic scale, as does a lot of Chinese music. And finally, there is a lot of ornamentation in both Irish and Chinese music.
Hmm. We have world-beat Celtic bands, and that afro-Celtic group, how about an Asian-Celtic fusion group?
# Posted on September 7th 2001 by jomac
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
I haven't a drop of Irish blood in me (I'm a Jewish vegetarian, so I don't even eat black puddings, Irish or otherwise). There is now, however, Irish in my family - my cousin's Irish girlfriend gave birth to a son last year. Perhaps this will bring me closer to the music.
# Posted on September 8th 2001 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
Hehehe...jomac, what a great idea! Of course, then I'd have to take up some kind of Chinese music. Hmmm. Or maybe I could find an Irish person who plays Chinese music, and then I could play the Irish, and they could play the Chinese, wouldn't that be lovely! Heh.
Zina
# Posted on September 8th 2001 by Zina Lee
Re: Do you have Irish grandparents or parents?
I have and my great grandieo was a runner for the I.R.B I come from a very Irish family and myself i'm a member of the irish Army. I love my country and i'm well proud of it. Dublin is where my grandad comes from and i'm not sure about my granny she's a Gorman so i'd say it's Kildare.
# Posted on April 11th 2005 by danny boy