I know most members deal with tunes rather than songs, but we do a lot of singing at our local session so I thought there might be some few of you who do the same. To that end, I received a question from an actor friend of mine that I thought I’d pass along to the esteemed members of The Session.
“Do you know any Scottish songs sung from a woman's perspective about worrying that she'll never marry or find the right man? Anything even vaguely resembling those ideas?”
I Climb the mountain and scan the ocean for thee, my boatman, with fond devotion. When will I see thee, today, tomorrow? Oh, do not leave me in lonley sorrow.
Oh my boatman, s'na horo ella
Oh my baotman, s'na horo ella
oh my boatman, s'na horo ella
May joy await thee where ere thou sailest
I don't think "Protect my man" songs are what's being looked for here, but rather something more along the lines of, "I done lost/been rejected/betrayed by the only man I'll ever love and so now I'll lay me down on the cold, cold ground/retire to the convent" sort of deal.
Not sure if it is scottish or irish, but Aracdy did another nice song - Once I Loved. On their Many Happy Returns Album. Not sure if either of the above are any help! Nice songs though...
How about a song about having lost your only true love - there are no shortage of them. One suggestion would be "The Lowlands of Holland" - there have been a number of versions of this recorded but Emily Smith recorded on her latest album - definately one you have to listen to!!
There's obviously a production of something going on - being in the "folk" world I was asked to suggest a tune for something in "Under Milk Wood" by a local group - I thought my suggestion was rather like "The Foggy, Foggy Dew" but they ended up singing it more like "The Lumberjack Song".
For you - not sure if it's Scots;
"One day as I rambled
Down by the sea-shore
The wind it did whistle
And the waters did roar
I spied a far damsel
Made pitiful cry
It sounded so lonesome
With the waters nearby
I never will marry
I'll be no man's wife
I intent to stay single
For the rest of my life....etc
or;
Oh dear me how would it be
If i died an old maid in a garret
First of all, Thanks for all the input. It is much appreciated!
We are indeed looking for a song relating to a woman who has never had a lover, rather than lost a lover. An old maid’s lament if you will.
I’ve passed your suggestion along to my friend. I haven’t had a chance to find out the production in question. Knowing my friend, I suspect it is something for ACT in San Francisco.
Please feel free to send any other suggestions. The more the merrier!
How about "The Women of Dundee" by Sheena Wellington. It is from Scotland, sung from a woman's point of view, but not really about seeking love. It's a good song and should be heard! Go sisters!!
What about Ye banks and Braes of Bonnie Doon - about lover going away. Of the top of my head I can't think of anything else at the moment - which is strange given the songs I sing. The opposite point of view is The Sands of the Shore -
I once had a true love but noo I hae nane
He stole awa my heart but I got it back again
I do a lot where I change the gender - Burns mainly.
Noo I've aft times heard it said by my mother and my father,
That tae gang tae a waddin' is the makin' o' anither,
If this be true, then I'll gang wi'oot a biddin',
O kind Providence won't you send me tae a waddin'.
Chorus : For it's Oh, dear me ! whit will I dae,
If I dae an auld maid in a garret?
Noo there's ma sister, Jean, she's no handsome or good-lookin'
Scarcely sixteen an' a fellow she was coortin'
Noo she's twenty-four wi' a son an' a dochter
An' I'm forty-twa an' I've never had an offer.
I can cook an' I can sew, I can keep the hoose full tidy
Rise up in the morning and get the breakfast ready
But there's naethin' in this wide world would mak' me half sae cheery
As an auld fat man that would ca' me his dearie.
Oh, come tinker, come tailor, come soldier or come sailor,
Come ony man at a' that would tak me frae my faither,
Come rich man, come poor man, come wise man or come witty
Come ony man at a' that would mairry me for pity.
Oh, I'll awa hame fur there's naebody heedin'
Naebody heedin' tae puir Annie's pleadin'
I'll awa hame tae my ain wee garret -
If I cannae get a man than I'll shuirly get a parrot
"Auld maid in a garrett" Dublin song? To think, I always thought that it was an Aberdeenshire song or thereabouts. Unless, it's a strange Irish dialect which I haven't heard. Silly me!
How about Ewan MacVicar's "Shift and spin"
SHIFT AND SPIN
Shift and spin, warp and twine
Making thread coarse and fine
Dreamin o yer valentine
Workin in the mill
Keep yer bobbins runnin easy
Show ye're gallus, bright and breezy
Waitin till Prince Charmin sees ye
Workin in the mill
Oil yer runners, mend yer thread
Do yer best until you're dead
You wish you were a wife instead o
Workin in the mill
You used to dream you'd be the rage
Smilin on the fashion page
Never dreamt you'd be a wage slave
Workin in the mill
You used to think that life was kind
No it isn't, never mind
Maybe some day love will find you
Workin in the mill
He loves you not? So what?
Make the best of what you've got
Win your pay, spin your cotton
Workin in the mill
I used to sing "Auld Maid in a Garret" at one time. It was a disaster. It's supposed to be funny! You know "Ha! Ha!".. that sort of thing? Folk Club People always gazed so seriously at me I was in fear of provoking tears.
I believe it was very popular in the eighteenth century...
O my name is Betsy Bell, in the Gallowgate I dwell.
Nae doot you'll wonder whit I'm daein' here.
Well, I'm lookin' for a man, be he auld or be he young,
And onything in breeks will dae wi' me.
Well, 'twas on last Friday nicht I met auld Sandy Wricht,
And he asked me for tae be his lovin' bride.
But I couldnae let him see I was desperate as could be,
So I tellt him for tae come awa' inside.
Well, he jumpit at the chance, aye, it fairly made me dance,
And I gied tae him my answer there and then,
But when I'd bought my wedding frock, he said,
"Lord, it's a' a joke!"
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
So if there's onybody here wha wad like a nice wee dear,
Although I'm only three score and ten,
Be he young or be he auld, curly-heided, fringed, or bald,
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
For of lads I've had my share; I've had a score or mair,
But why they threw me up I dinna ken.
For I'm neither prood nor shy, that the lads should pass me by.
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
There are slightly different versions. Belle Stewart sang "Overgate" (Dundee) instead of "Gallowgate".
From NE Scotland:
"Mormond Braes"
- young woman's true love has buggered off somewhere but she's determined to get another. Then again, she's from Strichen.
"Back o' Bennachie" (Gin I were far the Gadie Rins)
- she courted two men but both died in unfortunate circumstances before she could get them to the altar. Very suspicious.
I'm afraid women who have wanted, but never had, a man are pretty thin on the ground in these parts.
A Scottish song was requested, and I believe the answer I gave is Scottish in origin. You’re a bit too trusting, JohnJ, methinks. Just because somebody makes the statement that “Auld Maid In A Garrett” is a Dublin song, without providing any evidence, doesn’t make that the truth. It was certainly sung and recorded by Johnny Moynihan, and also the Clancy brothers probably in the 60s, but it’s also been sung by both Belle Stewart and Norman Kennedy for I would think over 50 years. I’m quite open to believe it’s Irish in origin, rather than Scottish - [ not that it really matters all that much ]- but I’d like to see some proof first.
Incidentally, Belle used to sometimes change the last word "parrot" to “carrot”!
And “Fhir A Bhata” is certainly Scottish.
Barrett houses have provoked a version called The old Maid in a Barrett.
This Auld Maid is Scottish and a couple of hundred years old but I believe the earliest known Old Maid is an English Broadsheet. This doesn't prove English origin of course. Songs get about. Doesn't John Connolly from Hull who wrote "Fiddler's Green" say he was in a pub in Ireland and a man stood up and sang an old Irish song called "Fiddlers Green"?
The oldest version of Fiddlers Green I've heard is about a callow group of teenage fiddle players going to their very first session.
However the oldest documented reference to the song concerns a group of Shetland musicians in the employ of a Viking chief; they had the misfortune to play at his wedding on a longboat, in very rough seas.
Fiddler's Green by John Connolly seems to be a re-working of an older song that existed in many variants, for example "The Dying Stockman" in Australia.
This question reminds me of one we heard in the pub a few weeks ago:
Do you guys know a happy love song you could sing us?
We couldn't think of any, although one came to me as I drove home.
There are definitely certain topics that are not well-covered in songs!
Uh guys..."Fear an Bháta" is Irish without a doubt. Capercaille may well have sung it, but it is IN Irish, not Scottish Gaelic (and it has been sung by many a sean-nós singer as well).
There is a version in Irish Gaelic but there is also a Scottish Gaelic version that I'm in the process of learning which my mother sang in a gaelic choir in the early fifties.
Why is "Fear A Bhata" Irish "without a doubt" ?
According to the “Fiddler’s Companion” website, which I regard as fairly trustworthy, it says the following of “Fear A Bhata”: “ - A song by this name appears in Allan Ramsay's ballad opera The Gentle Shepherd (1725), not performed until 1729.”
It also appears in the [ Scottish ]Fraser Collection of 1874. That would indicate to me a fairly long Scottish pedigree. There is no mention of Ireland in relation to “Fear A Bhata”.
We may well be talking about 2 different versions of the same song here, one in Scottish Gaelic and one in Irish. Which came first, doesn’t ultimately matter, but if you have proof that it is Irish in origin and not Scottish, please let’s have it. I am quite willing to accept I’m wrong in this , but not on any one person’s opinion unsupported by any evidence.
Since the Irish Sea is only 20 or so miles wide, some of this "It was ours first," and "No, it was ours first," stuff will never be resolved. There is a huge body of musical tradition that appears in similar forms on both sides of that water boundary, and indeed on both sides of the artificial political boundaries drawn across Ireland today. It is the shared (SHARED!) heritage of a Gaelic-speaking people whose nation (nation being a collection of people with a similar language and culture) crosses state (meaning a modern political entity) boundaries. Understanding that nations and state boundaries do not always match is a key to understanding international relations. In the case of these songs, instead of bickering over who did what when, why don't we focus on, and celebrate, what we all share and have in common?
Any one who really knows the Irish version of “Fear an Bháta”, will be aware that even the Irish version (at least as I once learned it in Donegal) contains a few words of “Gaeilge na hAlban” confirming that it is originally a Scottish Gaelic song. The recurring “’s na hόrό éile” also suggests this.
Song question
Song question
I know most members deal with tunes rather than songs, but we do a lot of singing at our local session so I thought there might be some few of you who do the same. To that end, I received a question from an actor friend of mine that I thought I’d pass along to the esteemed members of The Session.
“Do you know any Scottish songs sung from a woman's perspective about worrying that she'll never marry or find the right man? Anything even vaguely resembling those ideas?”
Thanks!
Grey Badger
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Grey Badger
Re: Song question
The comic song "Auld Maid In The Garrett" would fit the bill.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Kenny
Re: Song question
That's a Dublin song.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by dafydd
Re: Song question
Fear A Bhata, Oh, My Boatman, is a fine old Sean Nos. http://www.friend.ly.net/~kellybr/Fear.rm
I Climb the mountain and scan the ocean for thee, my boatman, with fond devotion. When will I see thee, today, tomorrow? Oh, do not leave me in lonley sorrow.
Oh my boatman, s'na horo ella
Oh my baotman, s'na horo ella
oh my boatman, s'na horo ella
May joy await thee where ere thou sailest
more verses if you're intersted email me.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by baglady
Re: Song question
Here's one in english http://www.bandstore.com/bands/smithfieldfair/sounds/FearABhata.ram
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by baglady
Re: Song question
I don't think "Protect my man" songs are what's being looked for here, but rather something more along the lines of, "I done lost/been rejected/betrayed by the only man I'll ever love and so now I'll lay me down on the cold, cold ground/retire to the convent" sort of deal.
KFG
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by KFG
Re: Song question
Fear A Bhata is about as Irish as it gets, I think he's looking for Scottish songs.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Kerri Brown
(isn't it? Irish, that is?)
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Kerri Brown
Re: Song question
No sorry Kerri, it is about as Scottish as it gets!! - And therefore not Sean Nos which is an Irish expression
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Song question
Goes to show me I shouldn't assume stuff is Irish just because Cran play it, should I.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Kerri Brown
Re: Song question
try the Glasgow Lullaby by De Dannan 1/2 Set in Harlem is the album
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by jkneale
Re: Song question
It has also been done by Capercaillie - which is the version I know. Lovely song.
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Song question
Not sure if it is scottish or irish, but Aracdy did another nice song - Once I Loved. On their Many Happy Returns Album. Not sure if either of the above are any help! Nice songs though...
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by jkneale
Re: Song question
How about a song about having lost your only true love - there are no shortage of them. One suggestion would be "The Lowlands of Holland" - there have been a number of versions of this recorded but Emily Smith recorded on her latest album - definately one you have to listen to!!
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Song question
There's obviously a production of something going on - being in the "folk" world I was asked to suggest a tune for something in "Under Milk Wood" by a local group - I thought my suggestion was rather like "The Foggy, Foggy Dew" but they ended up singing it more like "The Lumberjack Song".
For you - not sure if it's Scots;
"One day as I rambled
Down by the sea-shore
The wind it did whistle
And the waters did roar
I spied a far damsel
Made pitiful cry
It sounded so lonesome
With the waters nearby
I never will marry
I'll be no man's wife
I intent to stay single
For the rest of my life....etc
or;
Oh dear me how would it be
If i died an old maid in a garret
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Song question
Another song about having lost your true love would be Staryy Night - Davy Spillane
Stretched on YOur Grave is another pretty saddening song...
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by jkneale
Re: Song question
First of all, Thanks for all the input. It is much appreciated!
We are indeed looking for a song relating to a woman who has never had a lover, rather than lost a lover. An old maid’s lament if you will.
I’ve passed your suggestion along to my friend. I haven’t had a chance to find out the production in question. Knowing my friend, I suspect it is something for ACT in San Francisco.
Please feel free to send any other suggestions. The more the merrier!
Thanks again!
GB
# Posted on June 27th 2005 by Grey Badger
Re: Song question
How about "The Women of Dundee" by Sheena Wellington. It is from Scotland, sung from a woman's point of view, but not really about seeking love. It's a good song and should be heard! Go sisters!!
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by MC2
Re: Song question
What about Ye banks and Braes of Bonnie Doon - about lover going away. Of the top of my head I can't think of anything else at the moment - which is strange given the songs I sing. The opposite point of view is The Sands of the Shore -
I once had a true love but noo I hae nane
He stole awa my heart but I got it back again
I do a lot where I change the gender - Burns mainly.
Will have a longer think.
J
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by jfother
Re: Song question
"Seven Braw Gowns" or ("Goons")
7 braw goons......I hae another 70 mak'
but yet for all o' the goon I hae
the laddies nae want a crak
It was on an old Battlefield band album. Good Luck finding it.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Owell Mabee
Re: Song question
Auld Maid in a Garret
Noo I've aft times heard it said by my mother and my father,
That tae gang tae a waddin' is the makin' o' anither,
If this be true, then I'll gang wi'oot a biddin',
O kind Providence won't you send me tae a waddin'.
Chorus : For it's Oh, dear me ! whit will I dae,
If I dae an auld maid in a garret?
Noo there's ma sister, Jean, she's no handsome or good-lookin'
Scarcely sixteen an' a fellow she was coortin'
Noo she's twenty-four wi' a son an' a dochter
An' I'm forty-twa an' I've never had an offer.
I can cook an' I can sew, I can keep the hoose full tidy
Rise up in the morning and get the breakfast ready
But there's naethin' in this wide world would mak' me half sae cheery
As an auld fat man that would ca' me his dearie.
Oh, come tinker, come tailor, come soldier or come sailor,
Come ony man at a' that would tak me frae my faither,
Come rich man, come poor man, come wise man or come witty
Come ony man at a' that would mairry me for pity.
Oh, I'll awa hame fur there's naebody heedin'
Naebody heedin' tae puir Annie's pleadin'
I'll awa hame tae my ain wee garret -
If I cannae get a man than I'll shuirly get a parrot
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by LowProfile
Re: Song question
"Auld maid in a garrett" Dublin song? To think, I always thought that it was an Aberdeenshire song or thereabouts. Unless, it's a strange Irish dialect which I haven't heard. Silly me!
How about Ewan MacVicar's "Shift and spin"
SHIFT AND SPIN
Shift and spin, warp and twine
Making thread coarse and fine
Dreamin o yer valentine
Workin in the mill
Keep yer bobbins runnin easy
Show ye're gallus, bright and breezy
Waitin till Prince Charmin sees ye
Workin in the mill
Oil yer runners, mend yer thread
Do yer best until you're dead
You wish you were a wife instead o
Workin in the mill
You used to dream you'd be the rage
Smilin on the fashion page
Never dreamt you'd be a wage slave
Workin in the mill
You used to think that life was kind
No it isn't, never mind
Maybe some day love will find you
Workin in the mill
He loves you not? So what?
Make the best of what you've got
Win your pay, spin your cotton
Workin in the mill
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Johnny Jay
Re: Song question
I used to sing "Auld Maid in a Garret" at one time. It was a disaster. It's supposed to be funny! You know "Ha! Ha!".. that sort of thing? Folk Club People always gazed so seriously at me I was in fear of provoking tears.
I believe it was very popular in the eighteenth century...
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by LowProfile
Re: Song question
Or this one
BETSY BELL
O my name is Betsy Bell, in the Gallowgate I dwell.
Nae doot you'll wonder whit I'm daein' here.
Well, I'm lookin' for a man, be he auld or be he young,
And onything in breeks will dae wi' me.
Well, 'twas on last Friday nicht I met auld Sandy Wricht,
And he asked me for tae be his lovin' bride.
But I couldnae let him see I was desperate as could be,
So I tellt him for tae come awa' inside.
Well, he jumpit at the chance, aye, it fairly made me dance,
And I gied tae him my answer there and then,
But when I'd bought my wedding frock, he said,
"Lord, it's a' a joke!"
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
So if there's onybody here wha wad like a nice wee dear,
Although I'm only three score and ten,
Be he young or be he auld, curly-heided, fringed, or bald,
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
For of lads I've had my share; I've had a score or mair,
But why they threw me up I dinna ken.
For I'm neither prood nor shy, that the lads should pass me by.
O, I wonder fit's a dae wi' a' the men.
There are slightly different versions. Belle Stewart sang "Overgate" (Dundee) instead of "Gallowgate".
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Johnny Jay
Re: Song question
From NE Scotland:
"Mormond Braes"
- young woman's true love has buggered off somewhere but she's determined to get another. Then again, she's from Strichen.
"Back o' Bennachie" (Gin I were far the Gadie Rins)
- she courted two men but both died in unfortunate circumstances before she could get them to the altar. Very suspicious.
I'm afraid women who have wanted, but never had, a man are pretty thin on the ground in these parts.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Bren
Re: Song question
Whereas those of us who have had a man and not in any particular hurry to repeat the process are ten a penny !
J
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by jfother
Re: Song question
A Scottish song was requested, and I believe the answer I gave is Scottish in origin. You’re a bit too trusting, JohnJ, methinks. Just because somebody makes the statement that “Auld Maid In A Garrett” is a Dublin song, without providing any evidence, doesn’t make that the truth. It was certainly sung and recorded by Johnny Moynihan, and also the Clancy brothers probably in the 60s, but it’s also been sung by both Belle Stewart and Norman Kennedy for I would think over 50 years. I’m quite open to believe it’s Irish in origin, rather than Scottish - [ not that it really matters all that much ]- but I’d like to see some proof first.
Incidentally, Belle used to sometimes change the last word "parrot" to “carrot”!
And “Fhir A Bhata” is certainly Scottish.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Kenny
Re: Song question
Well, I was actually a bit skeptical about it.
It might well be Irish in origin but, like you, I'd like to see some proof.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Johnny Jay
Re: Song question
I knew someone who cracked up when she accidentally sang "carrot" then thought about it.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Song question
Barrett houses have provoked a version called The old Maid in a Barrett.
This Auld Maid is Scottish and a couple of hundred years old but I believe the earliest known Old Maid is an English Broadsheet. This doesn't prove English origin of course. Songs get about. Doesn't John Connolly from Hull who wrote "Fiddler's Green" say he was in a pub in Ireland and a man stood up and sang an old Irish song called "Fiddlers Green"?
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by LowProfile
Re: Song question
The oldest version of Fiddlers Green I've heard is about a callow group of teenage fiddle players going to their very first session.
However the oldest documented reference to the song concerns a group of Shetland musicians in the employ of a Viking chief; they had the misfortune to play at his wedding on a longboat, in very rough seas.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Song question
In case anyone gets confused, I'll confirm Gallopede's statement that "Fiddlers Green" is a John Connolly song.
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Johnny Jay
Re: Song question
Fiddler's Green by John Connolly seems to be a re-working of an older song that existed in many variants, for example "The Dying Stockman" in Australia.
An amusing account of folksong collecting in the 1950s : http://unionsong.com/muse/songnet/reviews/revival/origin.html
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by Bren
Re: Song question
This question reminds me of one we heard in the pub a few weeks ago:
Do you guys know a happy love song you could sing us?
We couldn't think of any, although one came to me as I drove home.
There are definitely certain topics that are not well-covered in songs!
# Posted on June 28th 2005 by AlBrown
Re: Song question
Uh guys..."Fear an Bháta" is Irish without a doubt. Capercaille may well have sung it, but it is IN Irish, not Scottish Gaelic (and it has been sung by many a sean-nós singer as well).
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by MacTireRua
Re: Song question
There is a version in Irish Gaelic but there is also a Scottish Gaelic version that I'm in the process of learning which my mother sang in a gaelic choir in the early fifties.
J
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by jfother
Re: Song question
Why is "Fear A Bhata" Irish "without a doubt" ?
According to the “Fiddler’s Companion” website, which I regard as fairly trustworthy, it says the following of “Fear A Bhata”: “ - A song by this name appears in Allan Ramsay's ballad opera The Gentle Shepherd (1725), not performed until 1729.”
It also appears in the [ Scottish ]Fraser Collection of 1874. That would indicate to me a fairly long Scottish pedigree. There is no mention of Ireland in relation to “Fear A Bhata”.
We may well be talking about 2 different versions of the same song here, one in Scottish Gaelic and one in Irish. Which came first, doesn’t ultimately matter, but if you have proof that it is Irish in origin and not Scottish, please let’s have it. I am quite willing to accept I’m wrong in this , but not on any one person’s opinion unsupported by any evidence.
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by Kenny
Re: Song question
Since the Irish Sea is only 20 or so miles wide, some of this "It was ours first," and "No, it was ours first," stuff will never be resolved. There is a huge body of musical tradition that appears in similar forms on both sides of that water boundary, and indeed on both sides of the artificial political boundaries drawn across Ireland today. It is the shared (SHARED!) heritage of a Gaelic-speaking people whose nation (nation being a collection of people with a similar language and culture) crosses state (meaning a modern political entity) boundaries. Understanding that nations and state boundaries do not always match is a key to understanding international relations. In the case of these songs, instead of bickering over who did what when, why don't we focus on, and celebrate, what we all share and have in common?
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by AlBrown
Re: Song question
Any one who really knows the Irish version of “Fear an Bháta”, will be aware that even the Irish version (at least as I once learned it in Donegal) contains a few words of “Gaeilge na hAlban” confirming that it is originally a Scottish Gaelic song. The recurring “’s na hόrό éile” also suggests this.
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by LongNote
Re: Song question
re the first question, The McAlmans used to sing a song "I wish I was married", with the late Derek Moffat singing the ladies part, to great hilarity.
# Posted on June 29th 2005 by tirvaluk