Dia Duit a Chara,
Does anyone know what notyes in the tin whistle octove are below low d?
Like....
----------------------F---
--------------------g-----
------------------d-------
Here and lower.
Much apreciated.
It's just I've been looking in some books and the notes would go futher and i wouldn't have a clue what notes to play. So i do be p*ssed off cause they'd be good tunes like.
So you have to substitute a higher note for the one you can't play. The easiest thing is to play the offending note an octave higher.
Sometimes you can play the passage or tune section in which it sits an octave higher (e.g. play the beginning of Farewell to Ireland up an octave).
At other times you can fudge things, say if just one note dips down, by playing another note that would fit melodically or (don't really want to go here) harmonically speaking.
I know. It can be a real pain for whistle players if some f****** fiddler has written a really great tune but thought it would be funny to put a C# in it!! Try to find a harmonising note.
There is one John McCusker tune that is in D yet it goes all the way down to a low G. It therefore will not even fit on an A whistle. It also goes high enough that you can not really play it up the octave. Oh well - c'est la vie
I like to play "cross whistle" a lot, but then I like to play a lot of songs, which quite commonly drop a note or three below the root before resolving to it.
"It also goes high enough that you can not really play it up the octave."
But eventually one might just be forced to acknowledge the range limitations of the whistle. Time to bite the bullet and find a harmonizing note, or skip it to take a breath if you're playing in a group..
Another option is to transpose the tune. Some you can't do this with as easily as others, but if you like the tune and want to play it (and if you're not too concerned about playing it with others), putting it in a different key may be the answer.
If you go to JC's Tunefinder, you'll often find traditional tunes in a couple of different keys. Search under the tune name and see if you can find one that suits the range of the whistle (if your copy of the tune is in D major, a version in G major may work just fine, as it gives you three notes below the bottom of the scale).
I'm not sure why a C# would be a problem, as it's built into a D whistle. C natural isn't, but it's easily cross fingered.
Also, sometimes you can just skip the offending note entirely
Sometimes you're stuck with a particular key, but not always. I know I'll sometimes see people sitting baffled during a particular tune, who will later say "Oh, I play that in [insert key here]." There's almost always someone else who prefers to play in that key, and they'll swing off into another rendition of it.
If the tune isn't transposed and can't be played on one of the standard whistle sizes, the only option is not to play it at all...learning it in a different key at least gives one the option of enjoying the tune (and maybe occasionally finding others who are willing to play it in a key that accommodates your instrument).
if you have a good whistle, more so for low whistles, you can get the bottom hole close enough to your knee or body depending on the whistle to get a c-sharp below the bottom d. It's a bit tricky though.
Tin whistle question????
Tin whistle question????
Dia Duit a Chara,
Does anyone know what notyes in the tin whistle octove are below low d?
Like....
----------------------F---
--------------------g-----
------------------d-------
Here and lower.
Much apreciated.
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by danny boy
Re: Tin whistle question????
Easy - none!! (at least on a D whistle)
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Tin whistle question????
It's just I've been looking in some books and the notes would go futher and i wouldn't have a clue what notes to play. So i do be p*ssed off cause they'd be good tunes like.
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by danny boy
Re: Tin whistle question????
So you have to substitute a higher note for the one you can't play. The easiest thing is to play the offending note an octave higher.
Sometimes you can play the passage or tune section in which it sits an octave higher (e.g. play the beginning of Farewell to Ireland up an octave).
At other times you can fudge things, say if just one note dips down, by playing another note that would fit melodically or (don't really want to go here) harmonically speaking.
Steve
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by Jeeves Tones
Re: Tin whistle question????
I know. It can be a real pain for whistle players if some f****** fiddler has written a really great tune but thought it would be funny to put a C# in it!! Try to find a harmonising note.
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Tin whistle question????
Oops cross posting
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Tin whistle question????
Good man the stevey, sure I'll have a go and see how she turns out. I'll get back to ya on it anyway.
Cheers bud.
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by danny boy
Re: Tin whistle question????
There is one John McCusker tune that is in D yet it goes all the way down to a low G. It therefore will not even fit on an A whistle. It also goes high enough that you can not really play it up the octave. Oh well - c'est la vie
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Tin whistle question????
Yeah I think i know whatcha mean. Just kinda search for a note untill it sounds right.
Sounds awkward like what if I don't know what way the tune goes??
Im only at this e-mailin yoke from today so i'm a wee bit lost. that goes for the whistle aswell.
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by danny boy
Re: Tin whistle question????
"It therefore will not even fit on an A whistle."
I like to play "cross whistle" a lot, but then I like to play a lot of songs, which quite commonly drop a note or three below the root before resolving to it.
"It also goes high enough that you can not really play it up the octave."
But eventually one might just be forced to acknowledge the range limitations of the whistle. Time to bite the bullet and find a harmonizing note, or skip it to take a breath if you're playing in a group..
KFG
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by KFG
Re: Tin whistle question????
Another option is to transpose the tune. Some you can't do this with as easily as others, but if you like the tune and want to play it (and if you're not too concerned about playing it with others), putting it in a different key may be the answer.
If you go to JC's Tunefinder, you'll often find traditional tunes in a couple of different keys. Search under the tune name and see if you can find one that suits the range of the whistle (if your copy of the tune is in D major, a version in G major may work just fine, as it gives you three notes below the bottom of the scale).
I'm not sure why a C# would be a problem, as it's built into a D whistle. C natural isn't, but it's easily cross fingered.
Also, sometimes you can just skip the offending note entirely
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by MacTireRua
Re: Tin whistle question????
I think they mean a low C#.
I guess transposing the tune is an option, but if you want to play with other people you are usually stuck playing it in the "regular" key.
Justine
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by feadogin
Re: Tin whistle question????
Sometimes you're stuck with a particular key, but not always. I know I'll sometimes see people sitting baffled during a particular tune, who will later say "Oh, I play that in [insert key here]." There's almost always someone else who prefers to play in that key, and they'll swing off into another rendition of it.
If the tune isn't transposed and can't be played on one of the standard whistle sizes, the only option is not to play it at all...learning it in a different key at least gives one the option of enjoying the tune (and maybe occasionally finding others who are willing to play it in a key that accommodates your instrument).
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by MacTireRua
Re: Tin whistle question????
BTW, Hi Justine! Redwolf from C&F here. Are you going to the gathering at DCrom's on the 19th?
# Posted on March 10th 2005 by MacTireRua
Re: Tin whistle question????
You can still your littlest finger out and partially block the end of the tube for a servicable low c#, which is only playable on really slow tunes.
# Posted on March 11th 2005 by s1m0n
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And if enough whistle/flute players take it up, after a while their key will become the accepted key...
Just like the b*st*rds did with Calliope House. I still get confused these days between the E (orginal) & D (heavy breather friendly) variants.
- Chris
# Posted on March 11th 2005 by ramblingpitchfork
Re: Tin whistle question????
Thanks for all your replies it hepled a lot. Gees this is a good site isn't it!!!! Never tought I'D get "THAT REACTION".
Thanks again.
# Posted on March 11th 2005 by danny boy
Re: Tin whistle question????
play it on an alto flute! hahahah.
# Posted on March 12th 2005 by daiv
Re: Tin whistle question????
if you have a good whistle, more so for low whistles, you can get the bottom hole close enough to your knee or body depending on the whistle to get a c-sharp below the bottom d. It's a bit tricky though.
# Posted on March 13th 2005 by CaliforniaPiper
Re: Tin whistle question????
Hey Justine- everyone wants to play my narrow bore Burke whistle- good choice-How's "girl of the house" doing-the tune not the person
# Posted on March 14th 2005 by I_Fel