It depends on how you play it.
Many moons ago I had the chance to attend a workshop with Mary Bergin.She told me that very few whistles had an acceptable tone , so she improvised. Each time she played a new whistle she took the mouth piece between her lips and leant back on it. This had the effect of flattening the tone and making the whistle sound softer.I have won quite a few comps over the years copying her technique. Let me tell you that it definately does work.
Ah, well, whistles are a highly personal thing and opinions are like you know what. Still, here goes:
I'll second the Tony Dixon as the most bang for your buck. Here's the thing with Dixons though, if you close your eyes and try hard to ignore price and materials as an indicator of quality, based on sound alone you might well decide that Dixons are the simply the best whistle, period.
Ain't whistles great?
Make sure to get one of the new internal slide models that get rid of all the exterior warts and give it the understated elegance of my best Parker pen and Calibra lighter.
Available in plastic or metal, depending on the sound you like. Under 30 bucks online. You can't take a girl to a first run movie and buy her popcorn and a soda for that. She's not right for you anyway and you'll only get your heart broken. Stay home. Get a Dixon. Be in love with each other forever.
You can hear a soundclip at Whistle & Drum, where you'll want to go anyway as they have the best whistle listening room on the web:
I'm also very fond of the Sweetheart Flute Company's Professional model. Made of Dymondwood (a wood matrix composite. Basically really, really well made plywood, but don't let the word plywood scare you. Think "composite." It's all high tech and stuff that way. Dymondwood manages to include most of the positive aspects of plastic and wood into one package, without most of the negative aspects of either. Quite a feat.), these are, well, Sweethearts. Sweet to play, sweet to hear.
Some people object to the recorder like look of them. That doesn't bother me. What *I* object to is the rosewood like grain, but then I might well be the only person on the planet who thinks rosewood, while makind really lovely looking guitars, makes up in whistle and flutes that look a bit naff. The grain pattern is too large for the smaller size and round shape of flutes and whistles.
Dymondwood is perfectly available in a Blackwood color, but the Sweets don't use it. I guess I could buy one and bless the Lord for inventing spraypaint.
$135 bucks normally, or $125 right now if you don't mind a slight color mismatch between the head and barrel. No, that other girl isn't right for you either. She'll always object to your whistle playing, and that's just not right. Get a real Sweetheart.
If I had more money than time I'd also certainly pick up one of their Killouhry blackwood keyed models. I've never seen one of these in real life, let alone played one. Never even heard a soundclip (I've heard an older rosewood though. Sounds just like a "good" Generatin, and only costs hundreds more).
So why would I buy one? Very simply they are the loveliest whistles made. I just drool on the picture of it on my monitor ( very tricky to do too. I sort of have to stand up and lean over my desk. Vertical aim is critical or you just make a mess of your desk instead of your monitor. Tilting the monitor back is a great aid, but some consider that cheating).
I might have to pay them a visit someday. They're right over in Enfield CT area, where I used to stay overnight at least once a week when I was a professional R/C car racer, but at the time I didn't know they were there. Ignorance is bliss, or something. You're about the same distance away from them as I am (I'm upstate), and the area is lovely to drive through once you get out of the Enfiled shopping wasteland off Route 91.
If you're up for a $400+ (depending on the number of keys) whistle it might be worth your while to make the trip to check it out and meet the people who make it.
My personal favorite right now though is the Busman. I *believe* (but I could just be fooling myself) these are the ones that I think sound the best if I close my eyes and try to ignore price and materials as an indicator of quality. They edge out the Dixon. . . for another $220. The fact that they are beautiful works of handcrafted art is just a plus. Paul's whistles just won third place at the Northeast Woodworker's show against all comers in wooden items. These are true, handmade, one at a time items. Paul uses whatever wood comes to him. If you've got your own chunk of wood you're just dying to have become a whistle Paul's the man to do it for you. While he uses a standard design there is really no such thing as a standard Busman whistle, they are all "special order," with the exception of. . .
He also now makes a dandy delrin whistle, which I defy you to tell from the wooden ones with your eyes closed.
I guess this is where I insert the wood vs. plastic comment. I'm a big fan of plastic flutes and whistles. They give up little to nothing in musical quality, really, while having all the benfits of plastic (and there always the new composites, like Dymondwood). If I could only have one whistle it would be, without question, plastic, even if the prices were the same (as I believe they are with the Busman).
That said, If I could have all the whistles I might want I'd have a half dozen wooden Busmans, but I'd know that was an aesthetic choice beyond the quality of the item as a musical instrument. Buy a copy of Eric Sloan's "A Reverence for Wood. "
Then read it. Then read it again.
Paul's whistles are only available directly from him (and you'll pay NYS sales tax on that as well. He's located in Cohoes, if you feel like hopping on the Dewey Thruwey and paying him a visit, which is one of the things you can get for the price of the whistle, or just chat with him on the phone), or from Whistle & Drum (where you'll save the sales tax, but miss Paul, and take a few bucks out of his pocket. It's your call. I won't gainsay you either way).
If you're after that elusive "good" generation whistle they're easy to find. They're just made by Ronaldo Reyburn, but they'll set you back $90. Still, that's cheaper than buying a crate full of Generations only to find out, after hours of testing, that you didn't get one of the good ones in that particular crate.
At the low end I have heard , and fallen in love with, the Clare. A Generation style whistle made in Ireland. Availabel online at The Whistle Shop:
Less than $8 for brass, $11 for nickle, and check out the new two piece jobber.
Bloody shame about the electric puke green color of the fipple on the nickel model though, and you can't really spraypaint a plastic fipple.
I'm also growing a fondness for the Clarke Sweetone, and I am not among the Clarke adherents. Maybe it's the new Overton designed fipple, speaking of which:
The *best* whistle is actually the one you make yourself, and if you go over the Chiff & Fipple (where you should go to read reviews and ask questions such as yours):
You will find a link to directions on how to use the Sweetone fipple to make your own whistles. You're an elecrical engineer. You must be at least a *little* handy. Have a go at it. It doesn't hurt a bit (well, actually, it might, but it isn't really "done" until you've christened it with a drop of maker's blood, now is it? I guess that's why they call it the "Bloody Hand" Whistle)
Oh what the hell, here's the direct link, but go to Chiff & Fipple anyway:
Here's something else to consider; I find I'm playing less and less whistle lately . . .because I'm growing more and more of a mind that the best whistle is actually a piccolo. The only real downside is that they are the hardest flutes to play; they aren't for flute novices, but if the idea intrigues you both the Sweetheart professional and the Tony Dixon are available in duo sets that give you both a piccolo and whistle head to go with the barrel. It's a good, relatively inexpensive way to give the idea a try without committing.
Or just make your own out of brass, aluminum, copper or PVC tubing, because there are really very few rushes equal to taking something you made yourself and hearing music come out of it.
i play copelands. high and low D, and a C. i dont see myself ever in my entire life playing any other whistle. they are the best.....for ME. copelends are....what shall i say...responsive, very little backpressure, yet easily overblown. not for everyone. a tendency to go sharp on top. but they have a beautiful, stong, aggressive, tin-whistley sound though. my C is a dream....
dont know what the price is now...but they're expensive. very expensive.
Yeah, KFG. It's very personal just like choosing a girl friend. Some people love flirting with countless whistles in their lives, but quite a lot of whistle players tend to stick to one or two, I think. I know several players who always play visibly bent, very old Generations brass whistles.
You'll find as many answers to this as you'll find whistle players. My best advice is to start with two relatively inexpensive whistles, one conical bore (such as a Clarke Original or Sweetone) and one cylindrical bore (Generation, Oak, etc.). Maybe add one plastic whistle, such as a Susato or a Dixon. Play those for a while and take time to decide what you like and dislike about each. Then, if you want to go more high end (and many players never do...one nice thing about whistles is the cheapos can be extremely decent instruments), look for whistles with the characteristics you liked.
Prices can range from about $3 (for a Clarke Meg) to about $30 (for a Dixon tuneable), with $7-$15 being average for the mass-produced instruments.
Tony Dixon has good whistles for the price. The question is if you want to ...uuuuuuff!.....invest the money in an excellent whistle. If it is your primary or only instrument, it may be worth it. Thank you wreckin' rea for the tip from Mary Bergin. I wish she would do another CD of reels/jigs like Feodoga Stain 1 and 2.
I play a susato D whistle and i love it, it was about £15 which is expensive but they are superb!! the cheap ones start at around £1 but are cheap and not really worth it. A susato whistle is great for playing outdoors as the sound carries superbly! A Shaw whistle is also very nice and the sound is gorgeous i'm not quite sure how much but its great and well worth it
". . .visibly bent, very old Generations brass whistles."
An F and a D, both 30 years old, both still straight as an arrow, because I always stick them in my guitar gig bag, hat or *front* pocket.
I can't, in all honesty, say that their lower ends are quite as round as they used to be though. Age'll do that I guess.
And I've just had to drill a relief hole in the ferule end of the F's fipple, but that seems to have done the trick to stop the crack. When I'm feeling ambitious I'll probably turn it down a hair and put a brass ring over it. I wouldn't want to lose the old girl.
Oh, and the D's nickle I'm afraid. I was much younger at the time and went "Ooooooooooooooo, shiney!"
Albas are great but take a lot of air to play and I would not recommend them if you are a beginner actually if you are a beginner I would recommend the Dixon actually I have a Dixon I am trying to sell it is in high D and has a Brass tuning slide and is in polymer $30 it is $50 new email me for further details you can use the email through this site.
I play two whistles primarily; A Clarke D, slightly modified by myself (Actually, one of six or so Clarke D's, slightly modified by myself, that I have laying around), or an O'brien tweaked Feadog D.
My next whistle purchase will be a Burke A, after playing the holes off of one at the SF Tionol. I would have bought it on the spot, but he left for the day while I was occupied at a flute session.
Why the clarke and O'brien feadog when there are so many other, more expensive whistles available?
I like the clarke's bubbly nature, and slight chiff.. and I love the rowdy edge of the Feadog.
I still feel that Clarke makes some of the best whistles around.
Hey Brendan- I just aquired a Burke small bore D and large bore D at the tionol I went to In San Francisco- the small bore is very easy to play for the likes of me; am getting used to the larger bore of the composite.
"Or just make your own out of brass, aluminum, copper or PVC tubing, because there are really very few rushes equal to taking something you made yourself and hearing music come out of it."
I'll definitely second that.
I just spent a couple of days at home with 'flu, and tried to make a whistle out of PVC tubing. To my amazement, it worked! I've made six so far, they sound wonderfully sweet (*very* similar to my favourite whistle, the Dixon), well balanced between the two octaves, and surprisingly in tune. And believe me, I'm not a craftsman. If I made it, everyone can make it.
In the process, I learnt some tricks I'll be happy to share when I have time to make a dedicated web page.
Pete, as a beginner whistler I know how difficult it may be to find a whistle you like. I struggled for a year, and I'd say that Dixon and Clarke (Megs and/or Sweettones) are a good bet. Get one. Then you may try to make a whistle yourself - I'm sure you'll outdo the Clarkes, if not the Dixon.
<i>Hey Kysh-just reread the posts-did we run into each other at the tionol???
You know, I was the guy with the 1/2 set of pipes </i>
Yeah, the one and only huh?
Yeah, we definitely ran into one another. I was masquerading as 'Griffin McKinney', my alter-ego; Some generic looking whistle and flute player with grandiose plans for purchasing pipes, short hair and a grey sweater. Riding a motorcycle. Rather boring. Only there Saturday.
Had a GREAT time.. One of the best days I've had in the past five years or so.. probably more.
Was good to meet you, though I don't think we ever really spoke. :>
Wistles
Wistles
Which whistle do you think is the best? Why ? How musch?
Where from?
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by Pete D
Re: Wistles
See these threads:
http://thesession.org/discussions/display.php/1241
http://thesession.org/discussions/display.php/5155
I think Tony Dixons whistles are best for the price. I forgot how much mine was. Of course, you can buy more expensive and better ones.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by slainte
Re: Wistles
It depends on how you play it.
Many moons ago I had the chance to attend a workshop with Mary Bergin.She told me that very few whistles had an acceptable tone , so she improvised. Each time she played a new whistle she took the mouth piece between her lips and leant back on it. This had the effect of flattening the tone and making the whistle sound softer.I have won quite a few comps over the years copying her technique. Let me tell you that it definately does work.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by wreckin` rea
Re: Wistles
Ah, well, whistles are a highly personal thing and opinions are like you know what. Still, here goes:
I'll second the Tony Dixon as the most bang for your buck. Here's the thing with Dixons though, if you close your eyes and try hard to ignore price and materials as an indicator of quality, based on sound alone you might well decide that Dixons are the simply the best whistle, period.
Ain't whistles great?
Make sure to get one of the new internal slide models that get rid of all the exterior warts and give it the understated elegance of my best Parker pen and Calibra lighter.
Available in plastic or metal, depending on the sound you like. Under 30 bucks online. You can't take a girl to a first run movie and buy her popcorn and a soda for that. She's not right for you anyway and you'll only get your heart broken. Stay home. Get a Dixon. Be in love with each other forever.
You can hear a soundclip at Whistle & Drum, where you'll want to go anyway as they have the best whistle listening room on the web:
http://www.whistleanddrum.com/
I'm also very fond of the Sweetheart Flute Company's Professional model. Made of Dymondwood (a wood matrix composite. Basically really, really well made plywood, but don't let the word plywood scare you. Think "composite." It's all high tech and stuff that way. Dymondwood manages to include most of the positive aspects of plastic and wood into one package, without most of the negative aspects of either. Quite a feat.), these are, well, Sweethearts. Sweet to play, sweet to hear.
Some people object to the recorder like look of them. That doesn't bother me. What *I* object to is the rosewood like grain, but then I might well be the only person on the planet who thinks rosewood, while makind really lovely looking guitars, makes up in whistle and flutes that look a bit naff. The grain pattern is too large for the smaller size and round shape of flutes and whistles.
Dymondwood is perfectly available in a Blackwood color, but the Sweets don't use it. I guess I could buy one and bless the Lord for inventing spraypaint.
$135 bucks normally, or $125 right now if you don't mind a slight color mismatch between the head and barrel. No, that other girl isn't right for you either. She'll always object to your whistle playing, and that's just not right. Get a real Sweetheart.
If I had more money than time I'd also certainly pick up one of their Killouhry blackwood keyed models. I've never seen one of these in real life, let alone played one. Never even heard a soundclip (I've heard an older rosewood though. Sounds just like a "good" Generatin, and only costs hundreds more).
So why would I buy one? Very simply they are the loveliest whistles made. I just drool on the picture of it on my monitor ( very tricky to do too. I sort of have to stand up and lean over my desk. Vertical aim is critical or you just make a mess of your desk instead of your monitor. Tilting the monitor back is a great aid, but some consider that cheating).
I might have to pay them a visit someday. They're right over in Enfield CT area, where I used to stay overnight at least once a week when I was a professional R/C car racer, but at the time I didn't know they were there. Ignorance is bliss, or something. You're about the same distance away from them as I am (I'm upstate), and the area is lovely to drive through once you get out of the Enfiled shopping wasteland off Route 91.
If you're up for a $400+ (depending on the number of keys) whistle it might be worth your while to make the trip to check it out and meet the people who make it.
My personal favorite right now though is the Busman. I *believe* (but I could just be fooling myself) these are the ones that I think sound the best if I close my eyes and try to ignore price and materials as an indicator of quality. They edge out the Dixon. . . for another $220. The fact that they are beautiful works of handcrafted art is just a plus. Paul's whistles just won third place at the Northeast Woodworker's show against all comers in wooden items. These are true, handmade, one at a time items. Paul uses whatever wood comes to him. If you've got your own chunk of wood you're just dying to have become a whistle Paul's the man to do it for you. While he uses a standard design there is really no such thing as a standard Busman whistle, they are all "special order," with the exception of. . .
He also now makes a dandy delrin whistle, which I defy you to tell from the wooden ones with your eyes closed.
I guess this is where I insert the wood vs. plastic comment. I'm a big fan of plastic flutes and whistles. They give up little to nothing in musical quality, really, while having all the benfits of plastic (and there always the new composites, like Dymondwood). If I could only have one whistle it would be, without question, plastic, even if the prices were the same (as I believe they are with the Busman).
That said, If I could have all the whistles I might want I'd have a half dozen wooden Busmans, but I'd know that was an aesthetic choice beyond the quality of the item as a musical instrument. Buy a copy of Eric Sloan's "A Reverence for Wood. "
Then read it. Then read it again.
Paul's whistles are only available directly from him (and you'll pay NYS sales tax on that as well. He's located in Cohoes, if you feel like hopping on the Dewey Thruwey and paying him a visit, which is one of the things you can get for the price of the whistle, or just chat with him on the phone), or from Whistle & Drum (where you'll save the sales tax, but miss Paul, and take a few bucks out of his pocket. It's your call. I won't gainsay you either way).
If you're after that elusive "good" generation whistle they're easy to find. They're just made by Ronaldo Reyburn, but they'll set you back $90. Still, that's cheaper than buying a crate full of Generations only to find out, after hours of testing, that you didn't get one of the good ones in that particular crate.
At the low end I have heard , and fallen in love with, the Clare. A Generation style whistle made in Ireland. Availabel online at The Whistle Shop:
http://www.thewhistleshop.com/catalog/whistles/inexpensive/Clare/onepiece/onepiece.htm
Less than $8 for brass, $11 for nickle, and check out the new two piece jobber.
Bloody shame about the electric puke green color of the fipple on the nickel model though, and you can't really spraypaint a plastic fipple.
I'm also growing a fondness for the Clarke Sweetone, and I am not among the Clarke adherents. Maybe it's the new Overton designed fipple, speaking of which:
The *best* whistle is actually the one you make yourself, and if you go over the Chiff & Fipple (where you should go to read reviews and ask questions such as yours):
http://www.chiffandfipple.com/table2.html
You will find a link to directions on how to use the Sweetone fipple to make your own whistles. You're an elecrical engineer. You must be at least a *little* handy. Have a go at it. It doesn't hurt a bit (well, actually, it might, but it isn't really "done" until you've christened it with a drop of maker's blood, now is it? I guess that's why they call it the "Bloody Hand" Whistle)
Oh what the hell, here's the direct link, but go to Chiff & Fipple anyway:
http://www.geocities.com/dwisely/bloodyhand.htm
Here's something else to consider; I find I'm playing less and less whistle lately . . .because I'm growing more and more of a mind that the best whistle is actually a piccolo. The only real downside is that they are the hardest flutes to play; they aren't for flute novices, but if the idea intrigues you both the Sweetheart professional and the Tony Dixon are available in duo sets that give you both a piccolo and whistle head to go with the barrel. It's a good, relatively inexpensive way to give the idea a try without committing.
Or just make your own out of brass, aluminum, copper or PVC tubing, because there are really very few rushes equal to taking something you made yourself and hearing music come out of it.
KFG
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by KFG
Re: Wistles
i play copelands. high and low D, and a C. i dont see myself ever in my entire life playing any other whistle. they are the best.....for ME. copelends are....what shall i say...responsive, very little backpressure, yet easily overblown. not for everyone. a tendency to go sharp on top. but they have a beautiful, stong, aggressive, tin-whistley sound though. my C is a dream....
dont know what the price is now...but they're expensive. very expensive.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by Brendan
Re: Wistles
Yeah, KFG. It's very personal just like choosing a girl friend. Some people love flirting with countless whistles in their lives, but quite a lot of whistle players tend to stick to one or two, I think. I know several players who always play visibly bent, very old Generations brass whistles.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by slainte
Re: Wistles
You'll find as many answers to this as you'll find whistle players. My best advice is to start with two relatively inexpensive whistles, one conical bore (such as a Clarke Original or Sweetone) and one cylindrical bore (Generation, Oak, etc.). Maybe add one plastic whistle, such as a Susato or a Dixon. Play those for a while and take time to decide what you like and dislike about each. Then, if you want to go more high end (and many players never do...one nice thing about whistles is the cheapos can be extremely decent instruments), look for whistles with the characteristics you liked.
Prices can range from about $3 (for a Clarke Meg) to about $30 (for a Dixon tuneable), with $7-$15 being average for the mass-produced instruments.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by MacTireRua
Re: Wistles
just checked, and copeland high Ds in brass are 300 big ones. uuufffff. that hurts. Low D is at 475.....
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by Brendan
Re: Wistles
Tony Dixon has good whistles for the price. The question is if you want to ...uuuuuuff!.....invest the money in an excellent whistle.
If it is your primary or only instrument, it may be worth it. Thank you wreckin' rea for the tip from Mary Bergin. I wish she would do another CD of reels/jigs like Feodoga Stain 1 and 2.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by CeolCairdeas
Re: Whistles
I play a susato D whistle and i love it, it was about £15 which is expensive but they are superb!! the cheap ones start at around £1 but are cheap and not really worth it. A susato whistle is great for playing outdoors as the sound carries superbly! A Shaw whistle is also very nice and the sound is gorgeous i'm not quite sure how much but its great and well worth it
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by fritha_the_great
Re: Wistles
". . .visibly bent, very old Generations brass whistles."
An F and a D, both 30 years old, both still straight as an arrow, because I always stick them in my guitar gig bag, hat or *front* pocket.
I can't, in all honesty, say that their lower ends are quite as round as they used to be though. Age'll do that I guess.
And I've just had to drill a relief hole in the ferule end of the F's fipple, but that seems to have done the trick to stop the crack. When I'm feeling ambitious I'll probably turn it down a hair and put a brass ring over it. I wouldn't want to lose the old girl.
Oh, and the D's nickle I'm afraid. I was much younger at the time and went "Ooooooooooooooo, shiney!"
Happens to the best of us at times.
KFG
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by KFG
Re: Wistles
Albas are great but take a lot of air to play and I would not recommend them if you are a beginner actually if you are a beginner I would recommend the Dixon actually I have a Dixon I am trying to sell it is in high D and has a Brass tuning slide and is in polymer $30 it is $50 new email me for further details you can use the email through this site.
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by Why Bother?
Re: Wistles
I play two whistles primarily; A Clarke D, slightly modified by myself (Actually, one of six or so Clarke D's, slightly modified by myself, that I have laying around), or an O'brien tweaked Feadog D.
My next whistle purchase will be a Burke A, after playing the holes off of one at the SF Tionol. I would have bought it on the spot, but he left for the day while I was occupied at a flute session.
Why the clarke and O'brien feadog when there are so many other, more expensive whistles available?
I like the clarke's bubbly nature, and slight chiff.. and I love the rowdy edge of the Feadog.
I still feel that Clarke makes some of the best whistles around.
-Kysh
# Posted on February 27th 2005 by Kysh
Re: Wistles
Hey Brendan- I just aquired a Burke small bore D and large bore D at the tionol I went to In San Francisco- the small bore is very easy to play for the likes of me; am getting used to the larger bore of the composite.
Lets put the hands together for Hegel...
i_Fel
# Posted on February 28th 2005 by I_Fel
Re: Wistles
Hey Kysh-just reread the posts-did we run into each other at the tionol???
# Posted on February 28th 2005 by I_Fel
Re: Wistles
You know, I was the guy with the 1/2 set of pipes
# Posted on February 28th 2005 by I_Fel
Re: Wistles - make one yourself!
"Or just make your own out of brass, aluminum, copper or PVC tubing, because there are really very few rushes equal to taking something you made yourself and hearing music come out of it."
I'll definitely second that.
I just spent a couple of days at home with 'flu, and tried to make a whistle out of PVC tubing. To my amazement, it worked! I've made six so far, they sound wonderfully sweet (*very* similar to my favourite whistle, the Dixon), well balanced between the two octaves, and surprisingly in tune. And believe me, I'm not a craftsman. If I made it, everyone can make it.
In the process, I learnt some tricks I'll be happy to share when I have time to make a dedicated web page.
Pete, as a beginner whistler I know how difficult it may be to find a whistle you like. I struggled for a year, and I'd say that Dixon and Clarke (Megs and/or Sweettones) are a good bet. Get one. Then you may try to make a whistle yourself - I'm sure you'll outdo the Clarkes, if not the Dixon.
# Posted on February 28th 2005 by Guidus
Re: Wistles
<i>Hey Kysh-just reread the posts-did we run into each other at the tionol???
</i>
You know, I was the guy with the 1/2 set of pipes
Yeah, the one and only huh?
Yeah, we definitely ran into one another. I was masquerading as 'Griffin McKinney', my alter-ego; Some generic looking whistle and flute player with grandiose plans for purchasing pipes, short hair and a grey sweater. Riding a motorcycle. Rather boring. Only there Saturday.
Had a GREAT time.. One of the best days I've had in the past five years or so.. probably more.
Was good to meet you, though I don't think we ever really spoke. :>
-Kysh
# Posted on March 2nd 2005 by Kysh