yeah im probably annoying everyone with all these questions about the pipes but i think this is the last one. How did you learn the uillean pipes?? i learned tin whistle with a fingering chart and by listening to cd's and im going to try to learn the pipes in that same way. all comments appreciated.
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Errr, well I just started on the pipes [Don't worry, that's what message boards are for by the way =P] and I had in my mind way before I got the pipes that I'd teach myself. I also taught myself the tin whistle, but the UP are a DIFFERENT thing. I'd highly reccomend you get a teacher or at least get to know someone that is familiar with the pipes so they could get you started.
I need to find a teacher and I know where to look, but I'm taking fiddle lessons as well.. Let's ask my dad... Haha.. Good luck!
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Also, going to http://www.chiffandfipple.com/messageboard.html will also help you. Probably alot more than here since there is a board specifically for the UP as well as the flute and tin whistle.
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
I dunno Jim,
I think much of what I learned on the whistle I was able to transfer over to the pipe sfairly easily. In fact, I'd say they're about 60-70% the same as far as schools of thought, ornamentation and such.
But I think I see what your point is as well. Pipe fingering is a different beast than whistle fingering in that you'll generally only lift one or two fingers off the chanter at a time. With the whistle, you lift fingers all the way up the scale. We have a fingering chart up on the Salt Lake Piping Club site here:
It's applicable for both the first and second octaves - however, depending on your chanter and reed, you may need to adapt and adjust some fingering so that the note plays in tune. This should get you in the ball park anyway. If you click on each of the imaged, it will also play the corresponding note from a D chanter as a referrence.
Hope that might help some. All the best and good luck! Alyways awesome to see a new piper join the ranks!
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Well you guys are forgeting one of the hardest parts of playing any type of Bellows Pipes, the Bellows you can't just pick up any type of Bagpipe and think with a Chanter, a Fingering Chart, and some Recordings I will learn how to play it is not possible. The ONLY instrument I failed to teach myself was the Great HIghland Bagpipe (the two don't have much in common but a Bagpipe is a Bagpipe they all have similarities) it was the ornamentation and the Blowing (after I spent a year on the Practice Chanter). You will need Books, Videos, and lots of time a teacher is not needed but you should get one if you want to take the headache out of learning. To truly learn the instrument you have to be obsesed this is true with any type of Bagpipe. I started GHBs when I was 14 (last November I will be 16 on Saturday) it is a good age to learn but younger is usually better. I am not trying to discourage you but it is one of the harder instruments to learn so do not take it lightly. The Tin Whistle is the closest to a UP Practice Chanter if you can play a Reel at full speed (112 beats per minute in cut time that would be 224 bpm in 4/4) on whistle then you are ready to buy a Practice set somebody on C and F said that and I believe it.
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Jim- and remember- Uilleann Pipes are THE chick magnet; just like in high school way back before... well, just before...- 5 string banjo- throngs of women
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Thanks to Jim Troy for mentioning the "2000 yard stare". My wife thought I was fixated on a blonde when we played at our last session. I tried to tell her it was a piper's thing and I wasn't looking at anything it particular ... Anyway, I mentioned this thread and I'm off the hook for now!
I was playing whistle before I took up the pipes, and, if anything, piping changed the way I played whistle. You can't play pipes in an open whistle style and play in tune, so, if you've got any sense of correct pitch at all, you'll be using the correct piping fingering in fairly short order.
My two cents...
uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
yeah im probably annoying everyone with all these questions about the pipes but i think this is the last one. How did you learn the uillean pipes?? i learned tin whistle with a fingering chart and by listening to cd's and im going to try to learn the pipes in that same way. all comments appreciated.
# Posted on January 18th 2005 by irish_fiddler2
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Errr, well I just started on the pipes [Don't worry, that's what message boards are for by the way =P] and I had in my mind way before I got the pipes that I'd teach myself. I also taught myself the tin whistle, but the UP are a DIFFERENT thing. I'd highly reccomend you get a teacher or at least get to know someone that is familiar with the pipes so they could get you started.
I need to find a teacher and I know where to look, but I'm taking fiddle lessons as well.. Let's ask my dad... Haha.. Good luck!
Cheers,
Armand
# Posted on January 18th 2005 by fiddlinviolinin
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Also, going to http://www.chiffandfipple.com/messageboard.html will also help you. Probably alot more than here since there is a board specifically for the UP as well as the flute and tin whistle.
# Posted on January 18th 2005 by fiddlinviolinin
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
I dunno Jim,
I think much of what I learned on the whistle I was able to transfer over to the pipe sfairly easily. In fact, I'd say they're about 60-70% the same as far as schools of thought, ornamentation and such.
But I think I see what your point is as well. Pipe fingering is a different beast than whistle fingering in that you'll generally only lift one or two fingers off the chanter at a time. With the whistle, you lift fingers all the way up the scale. We have a fingering chart up on the Salt Lake Piping Club site here:
http://www.saltlakepipers.com/The-Pipes-Chanter-Fingerings.html
It's applicable for both the first and second octaves - however, depending on your chanter and reed, you may need to adapt and adjust some fingering so that the note plays in tune. This should get you in the ball park anyway. If you click on each of the imaged, it will also play the corresponding note from a D chanter as a referrence.
Hope that might help some. All the best and good luck! Alyways awesome to see a new piper join the ranks!
# Posted on January 18th 2005 by uilleann_craic
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Every piper I know also plays whistle, so the advice of not playing both is suspect, at best.
# Posted on January 18th 2005 by brianc
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Lookit Willie Clancy and Ennis, Liam O'Flynn, whistle players all.
Me- not so well but I can almost play them
# Posted on January 19th 2005 by I_Fel
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Well you guys are forgeting one of the hardest parts of playing any type of Bellows Pipes, the Bellows you can't just pick up any type of Bagpipe and think with a Chanter, a Fingering Chart, and some Recordings I will learn how to play it is not possible. The ONLY instrument I failed to teach myself was the Great HIghland Bagpipe (the two don't have much in common but a Bagpipe is a Bagpipe they all have similarities) it was the ornamentation and the Blowing (after I spent a year on the Practice Chanter). You will need Books, Videos, and lots of time a teacher is not needed but you should get one if you want to take the headache out of learning. To truly learn the instrument you have to be obsesed this is true with any type of Bagpipe. I started GHBs when I was 14 (last November I will be 16 on Saturday) it is a good age to learn but younger is usually better. I am not trying to discourage you but it is one of the harder instruments to learn so do not take it lightly. The Tin Whistle is the closest to a UP Practice Chanter if you can play a Reel at full speed (112 beats per minute in cut time that would be 224 bpm in 4/4) on whistle then you are ready to buy a Practice set somebody on C and F said that and I believe it.
# Posted on January 19th 2005 by Why Bother?
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Jim- and remember- Uilleann Pipes are THE chick magnet; just like in high school way back before... well, just before...- 5 string banjo- throngs of women
# Posted on January 19th 2005 by I_Fel
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Hahahhaaaaa
"Chick magnet" ... yeah, right.
If the 'chicks' are 65 years and older, maybe!
Hahahahaaaaaaaaa
# Posted on January 19th 2005 by brianc
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Thanks to Jim Troy for mentioning the "2000 yard stare". My wife thought I was fixated on a blonde when we played at our last session. I tried to tell her it was a piper's thing and I wasn't looking at anything it particular ... Anyway, I mentioned this thread and I'm off the hook for now!
I was playing whistle before I took up the pipes, and, if anything, piping changed the way I played whistle. You can't play pipes in an open whistle style and play in tune, so, if you've got any sense of correct pitch at all, you'll be using the correct piping fingering in fairly short order.
My two cents...
# Posted on January 19th 2005 by Bill Reeder
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
I think any Piping will change the way any one plays a mouth blown wid instrument I know the GHBs changed the way I play whistle.
# Posted on January 20th 2005 by Why Bother?
Re: uillean pipe questions (hopefully the last one)
Well, Jim, I haven't yet acquired the dribble. I'm still working on the grimace!!
# Posted on January 21st 2005 by Bill Reeder