Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Hi all...
This is Kevin Kiley.
This message is 'related' to the thread regarding the
2 'Gan Ainm' tunes submitted but it is really a brand
new question.
Since my last message I found an online CD store
and fast-pumped an entire copy of Chieftains 7
album down ( Yes... I paid for it... it was just
somewhere that allows downloads as well as
regular CD mailouts ).
What I have just realized is that the tune I was
taught which I now know is a slip-jig called
"Hedigan's Fancy" has far more PARTS to it
than just the simple AABB I thought it had.
So I ran the actual CD recording through a music
dis-assembler and now I have the ABC for the
tune AS PLAYED on the Chieftains album including
all the variations and parts.
My QUESTION is... Would it be LEGAL for me to
just 'update' the ABC that is already stored in
'thesession.org' tune database with the additional 'parts'
or would the fact that it is IDENTICAL to what is on
the Chieftains 7 album track cause any LEGAL
problems?
I thought I better ask first.
Can a fiddler claim a copyright on a particular
RENDITION of an ITM ( public domain ) tune?
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Well, I don't know about the legality of it, but submitting a tune in ABC format *exactly* how it's played by one particular artist kind of misses the point, I think.
The ABCs of a tune, like sheetmusic, are intended as a snapshot of the tune. It isn't the tune itself.
Personally, I'd strip down anything from a disassembler into a more basic, skeletal form and then add in the comments that "The Chieftains play it like this..."
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Personal I agree with Jeremy absolutely - the tunes submitted in TheSession should not be tunes "how they are played by someone" (though there are enough of these in the Database).
The legal situation: ITM is mainly "public domain" (what ever that means) but our copyright laws tend more to see a certain (single person) inventor - and the whole "business model" is based on this. So musicians using public domain (=traditional) stuff often claim their arrangement - mostly not because they are so proud of it but to fit the reglementations of the business modell which gives them some money from GEMA / ASCAP / (you know, the legal mafia ....)
Whatsoever: if you want to publish something created by someone else you have to ask this person first.
BTW: Very interesting is to take the sheetmusic from TheSession-Tunes and compare different played versions to this - it helps you to learn a lot about Irish Music and finally to play your own version one day. Try for example with fisherman
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
I'd be interested in knowing more about music disassemblers too - up until now, I've only known of disassemblers as software that breaks other programs (especially Java) down into their source code for study, reverse enfineering, or software plagiarism. Kevin, what did you use to disassemble the MP3s (I assume that's what they were)?
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Hi all...
Thanks for the fast replies!
This is a two part answer since there were some opinions
about the ABC and some questions about music disassemblers.
* LEGALITY OF ABC
> Jeremy wrote...
>
> Well, I don't know about the legality of it, but submitting
> a tune in ABC format *exactly* how it's played by
> one particular artist kind of misses the point, I think.
While I understand your intention with that statement I
think the logic is a little skewed. Just about every piece
of sheet music or ABC file you are going to find represents
the way SOMEONE plays the tune. It's unavoidable.
I mean... in most respects... the tune is the tune is
the tune and no rendition can deviate too much or it
isn't even the same tune anymore.
So whatever ABC is submitted into the database as the
baseline for a 'New Tune' is going to be the way
SOMEONE plays it... I was just wondering if it would
be legal if it was the way it has been 'recorded' by
someone now that I know some guy just taught me the
notes right off an album that I wasn't even aware of.
Heck... I don't know for sure myself if the way
Hedigan's Fancy is played on Chieftains 7 isn't
the exact, original, standard version of the tune
with nothing special about it at all. I have nothing
to compare it to. I was only shown an A and a B
part a year or so ago and had no idea it had 'other parts'
until about 20 hours ago. The A/B parts that were
already submitted ( and accepted ) certainly seem to
be 'exactly the way it is on the Chieftains album'
already... I just didn't even know there were 'other parts'.
> Jeremy also wrote...
>
> The ABCs of a tune, like sheetmusic, are intended as
> a snapshot of the tune. It isn't the tune itself.
Again... I get the gist but not the logic.
I am just a fiddler and one that has no training in
music theory.
I have no idea where that ethereal 'point' you are
referring to might be where a 'snapshot' of notes
becomes'the tune itself' or vice-versa.
If I have a full-featured version of a tune in front
of me in either ABC format or sheet music I wouldn't
even begin to know how you 'strip out' every other
little black dot on the bars and still keep the
tune learnable and/or recognizable by someone.
What would be the rule(s)?.. Turn every triplet
back into a whole note and/or erase every slide?
Pull the 16th notes and the rests and just let them
figure out for themselves how to connect measures?
Seems kinda silly to do that if you already have
the information ( the notation ).
Anyway... to wrap this up... I get the gist of your
responses and that's why I thought I would ask
first. It's obvious from the responses that I should
NOT just dump the ABC from Chieftains 7 album
into the tunes database and so I won't... even though
the first 2 'parts' already seem, for better or worse, to
be exactly the way the tune(s) are played on an
album called Chieftain's 7. That's just the way I
was taught it and it's the way I play it.
If someone wants to discover, as I did, that there
are 'other parts' to this tune then I guess just
a 'See Chieftains 7 album for other suggested
parts' comment will do fine.
* MUSIC DIS-ASSEMBLERS
Okay... I don't have much time at the moment so this
is going to have to be a high-altitude fly-over of
the state of the art with regards to real-time
music disassembly and a major discalimer is in
order here...
I am NOT an expert in this area.
I am just a guy who loves to play the fiddle and
sometimes the fastest way to learn a tune is to
just pull the notes right out of a recording... and
this is certainly now possible with the plethura
of audio utilities that are out there.
I also have no background in music theory but, as
you will see in a moment, that has little to do
with anything when it comes to pulling information
out of digitized music files.
Okay... so obviously we are talking digital here
and not analog. If you have any wax albums or
(old) analog stream CD's then to have any chance
at all at 'disassembling' them you will need to
just play them into your PC's microphone and record
them in the newer WAV or MP3 or MP4 format(s).
Any place online that will let you download a CD
after you pay for it is already going to be giving
you exactly what you need so obviously that's the
best thing to do is just download the CD's in MP3
or MP4 format if you have access to a fat pipe like
a T1 or I guess DSL could cut the cake, too, if you
are patient.
Once you have an MP3 or MP4 you MAY or MAY NOT have
all you need to just submit it to programs like
'Intelliscore' or something ( See below ).
It all comes down to how the recording was made and
what the MP3 packets look like.
There are links below to the readily available
products that do the heavy lifting but let me just
tell you right here that most of the time I
don't even use these programs... I just do a
little 'trick' that I discovered.
I told you above what I am NOT... now let me tell
you what I AM... I am a programmer and I also happen
to know the current video and audio codecs pretty
well because I have had to write device drivers for
folks that deal with these various multimedia formats.
I discovered the 'trick' I am referring to about
pulling notes out the audio streams when I happened
to be converting an audio recording of a bluegrass
tune called 'Katy Hill'. I was using one of the
simpler MP3 to WAV converters that I have the source
code to and so I was able to just re-compile the
converter to make it do something special.
As it turns out... most bluegrass tunes will always
FEATURE the fiddler and the other instruments will
back way off during the fiddle solos. This is, by
nature, the way bluegrass is. It's a soloist medium
and it's the height of rudeness to NOT 'back off'
when the banjo guy or the fiddler or the mandoliner
gets 'his turn'. Even the original Bill Monroe
recordings have this 'back away from the microphone'
quality when the fiddler steps up.
Well... as it turns out... whenever you hit those
parts in a digitized MP3 or MP4 recording it is really
easy to just elminate ALL the other instruments
because in digital terms there emerges a 'foreground
volume threshold' that is stored in the audio packets
and you can just recognize what that threshold is
when the fiddler steps up and 'block' all the
other instruments.
Once you do that and you spit out the 'clean' fiddle
solo and also drop it down to monophonic then it's
really easy for programs like Intelliscore to spit
out the actual sheet music for the filtered track
and Voila... you have the fiddle solo printed on paper.
There's a little more to it than that and I think there
are some standard audio editing programs that do the
same exact thing ( They call these 'un-mixers' instead
of disassemblers ) but you get the gist. The 'filter it
on the fly' code I have works fine for me so I don't
know about the sound editing software that's out there.
Actually... the whole 'track volume' secret isn't a
secret at all and has come to be something that people
who rip off lots of music have complained so much
about that the commercial programs have addressed
their needs.
You will see a lot of CD 'ripper'and 'burner' software
advertising their ability to 'equalize' the volume as
a 'feature' these days. Here's just one one them...
Perfect volume, all the time. Volume Leveling keeps steady
volume applied to all your music, eliminating volume spikes
or dips from track to track. And with the freedom to transfer
your music to portable MP3 devices or CD, you'll enjoy
perfect volume everywhere.
[snip]
Well... it's obvious from reading the above 'blurb' that
the software can examine the MP3 packets and 'adjust the
volume' information that is already there in the packets.
Obviously what this software is meant to do for people
is let them burn their own CD's from any number of
different albums or other recordings and make sure that
the different vloume levels that might be recorded in
all the things you are stuffing onto your CD gets
'smoothed out'.
Well... because of the nature of 'fiddle tunes' and the
fact that everyone 'backs off' for fiddle solos this volume
information becomes your friend, not your enemy.
I certainly wouldn't want to try and use my own 'filter'
to try and see exactly what the second-chair violin
is doing during any particular recording of the London
symphpony... but when it comes to dumping out on
paper what Mark O'Connor really does to 'Twinkle,
Twinkle Little Star'... it works like a champ.
* INTELLISCORE
This is a pretty good 'disassembler'.
Here is a link to a good summary of what it can do...
The first paragraph of the page at the link above
pretty much gives the score ( pun intended )...
[snip]
Music recognition software frees musicians to be more creative
Innovative Music Systems, Inc. (a.k.a. IMSysInc) announced today
its release of an improved version of its groundbreaking
Intelliscore music recognition software, which converts
polyphonic music recordings to midi format. Intelliscore
uses a patent pending process to automatically figure out
what notes are present in prerecorded music. Previously,
a musician’s only option was to play recordings repeatedly
at slow speeds and transcribe by hand -- time they might
otherwise spend being creative.
[snip]
I have fooled around with the FREE DEMO of IntelliScore
from Innovative Music Systems, Inc. and it's pretty
darn good. It was designed specifically for musicians who
want to end up with sheet music when all they have
is a recording.
It is not for the faint of heart, however, and it's
going to get into 'polyphonic' and 'monophonic' issues
right away and all that stuff. You might even have to
get creative and ask your computer to 'play' an MP3
in monophonic mode while you are 'recording' it
directly into Intelliscore at the same time on
the same computer ( this is possible ).
You might even have to convert an MP3 track to WAV
before it will do a good job 'disassembling' but
nowadays that's no big deal, either.
Anyway... sometimes it works right off the bat with
some MP3 or WAV recordings and you get the full
score right away.
Be sure to download the 'Polyphonic' version versus
the less sophisticated monophonic one. The 'Polyphonic'
version is going to do much better with complicated
recordings.
* CONVERTERS
Sometimes a recording is just going to be too
complicated for some of the current retail level
disassemblers and you are going to have to play
the conversion/filtering game first.
This one does just about everything including allowing
you to apply 'filters' to recordings which can remove
everything but the track you are interested in and once
all the other instruments are gone it gets real easy
for other programs ( Like Intelliscore ) to spit out
the sheet music...
When it comes to simply 'converting' or 'filtering'
the recordings there are about a a gazillion free
and commercial utilities for this step. Just do
a google search for 'MP3 converters' or just go
to the 'Audio Utilities' section of 'www.davecentral.com'.
* SUMMARY
That's about it.
Sorry for running off at the hand but it's a
complicated topic and I'm sure I still haven't
even scratched the surface.
I do what works for me and, fortunately, fiddle
tunes are some of the easiest things to 'disassemble'
so you don't have to waste all that time backing
up and figuring out all the notes. You can go
right from recording to sheet music.
The 'state of the art' in real-time music recognition
software is improving every day and if anyone wants
to read up on it then those are the best keywords
to type into a 'Google' search.
Just search for the 'exact phrase'...
"Music Reognition Software".
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
I didn't have much luck with the program, I must not have it set right. I first tried a cut from Kevin Crehan's album (no backing) & it only picked up one in five notes. Since he uses a lot of slurs & slides I figured it might be too much for the program to handle. I tried Paddy Keenan playing the Pipe on the Hob next, because it has no backing, consistant dynamics etc. Same results every third or fourth note is picked up. I then tried the "polyphony" setting & it sounded somewhere between John Cage & a cat walking on a piano keyboard. For all the time I spent trying to make it work I could have figured the tune out on a whistle & jotted it down. The technology is almost here, but still needs a lot of debugging.
Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Hi all...
This is Kevin Kiley.
This message is 'related' to the thread regarding the
2 'Gan Ainm' tunes submitted but it is really a brand
new question.
Since my last message I found an online CD store
and fast-pumped an entire copy of Chieftains 7
album down ( Yes... I paid for it... it was just
somewhere that allows downloads as well as
regular CD mailouts ).
What I have just realized is that the tune I was
taught which I now know is a slip-jig called
"Hedigan's Fancy" has far more PARTS to it
than just the simple AABB I thought it had.
So I ran the actual CD recording through a music
dis-assembler and now I have the ABC for the
tune AS PLAYED on the Chieftains album including
all the variations and parts.
My QUESTION is... Would it be LEGAL for me to
just 'update' the ABC that is already stored in
'thesession.org' tune database with the additional 'parts'
or would the fact that it is IDENTICAL to what is on
the Chieftains 7 album track cause any LEGAL
problems?
I thought I better ask first.
Can a fiddler claim a copyright on a particular
RENDITION of an ITM ( public domain ) tune?
IANL ( I Am Not A Lawyer ).
Yours...
Kevin Kiley
# Posted on May 13th 2002 by kiley
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Well, I don't know about the legality of it, but submitting a tune in ABC format *exactly* how it's played by one particular artist kind of misses the point, I think.
The ABCs of a tune, like sheetmusic, are intended as a snapshot of the tune. It isn't the tune itself.
Personally, I'd strip down anything from a disassembler into a more basic, skeletal form and then add in the comments that "The Chieftains play it like this..."
# Posted on May 13th 2002 by Jeremy
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Personal I agree with Jeremy absolutely - the tunes submitted in TheSession should not be tunes "how they are played by someone" (though there are enough of these in the Database).
The legal situation: ITM is mainly "public domain" (what ever that means) but our copyright laws tend more to see a certain (single person) inventor - and the whole "business model" is based on this. So musicians using public domain (=traditional) stuff often claim their arrangement - mostly not because they are so proud of it but to fit the reglementations of the business modell which gives them some money from GEMA / ASCAP / (you know, the legal mafia ....)
Whatsoever: if you want to publish something created by someone else you have to ask this person first.
BTW: Very interesting is to take the sheetmusic from TheSession-Tunes and compare different played versions to this - it helps you to learn a lot about Irish Music and finally to play your own version one day. Try for example with fisherman
# Posted on May 13th 2002 by crannog
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
I'd be interested in knowing more about music disassemblers too - up until now, I've only known of disassemblers as software that breaks other programs (especially Java) down into their source code for study, reverse enfineering, or software plagiarism. Kevin, what did you use to disassemble the MP3s (I assume that's what they were)?
# Posted on May 14th 2002 by JeffK627
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Hi all...
Thanks for the fast replies!
This is a two part answer since there were some opinions
about the ABC and some questions about music disassemblers.
* LEGALITY OF ABC
> Jeremy wrote...
>
> Well, I don't know about the legality of it, but submitting
> a tune in ABC format *exactly* how it's played by
> one particular artist kind of misses the point, I think.
While I understand your intention with that statement I
think the logic is a little skewed. Just about every piece
of sheet music or ABC file you are going to find represents
the way SOMEONE plays the tune. It's unavoidable.
I mean... in most respects... the tune is the tune is
the tune and no rendition can deviate too much or it
isn't even the same tune anymore.
So whatever ABC is submitted into the database as the
baseline for a 'New Tune' is going to be the way
SOMEONE plays it... I was just wondering if it would
be legal if it was the way it has been 'recorded' by
someone now that I know some guy just taught me the
notes right off an album that I wasn't even aware of.
Heck... I don't know for sure myself if the way
Hedigan's Fancy is played on Chieftains 7 isn't
the exact, original, standard version of the tune
with nothing special about it at all. I have nothing
to compare it to. I was only shown an A and a B
part a year or so ago and had no idea it had 'other parts'
until about 20 hours ago. The A/B parts that were
already submitted ( and accepted ) certainly seem to
be 'exactly the way it is on the Chieftains album'
already... I just didn't even know there were 'other parts'.
> Jeremy also wrote...
>
> The ABCs of a tune, like sheetmusic, are intended as
> a snapshot of the tune. It isn't the tune itself.
Again... I get the gist but not the logic.
I am just a fiddler and one that has no training in
music theory.
I have no idea where that ethereal 'point' you are
referring to might be where a 'snapshot' of notes
becomes'the tune itself' or vice-versa.
If I have a full-featured version of a tune in front
of me in either ABC format or sheet music I wouldn't
even begin to know how you 'strip out' every other
little black dot on the bars and still keep the
tune learnable and/or recognizable by someone.
What would be the rule(s)?.. Turn every triplet
back into a whole note and/or erase every slide?
Pull the 16th notes and the rests and just let them
figure out for themselves how to connect measures?
Seems kinda silly to do that if you already have
the information ( the notation ).
Anyway... to wrap this up... I get the gist of your
responses and that's why I thought I would ask
first. It's obvious from the responses that I should
NOT just dump the ABC from Chieftains 7 album
into the tunes database and so I won't... even though
the first 2 'parts' already seem, for better or worse, to
be exactly the way the tune(s) are played on an
album called Chieftain's 7. That's just the way I
was taught it and it's the way I play it.
If someone wants to discover, as I did, that there
are 'other parts' to this tune then I guess just
a 'See Chieftains 7 album for other suggested
parts' comment will do fine.
* MUSIC DIS-ASSEMBLERS
Okay... I don't have much time at the moment so this
is going to have to be a high-altitude fly-over of
the state of the art with regards to real-time
music disassembly and a major discalimer is in
order here...
I am NOT an expert in this area.
I am just a guy who loves to play the fiddle and
sometimes the fastest way to learn a tune is to
just pull the notes right out of a recording... and
this is certainly now possible with the plethura
of audio utilities that are out there.
I also have no background in music theory but, as
you will see in a moment, that has little to do
with anything when it comes to pulling information
out of digitized music files.
Okay... so obviously we are talking digital here
and not analog. If you have any wax albums or
(old) analog stream CD's then to have any chance
at all at 'disassembling' them you will need to
just play them into your PC's microphone and record
them in the newer WAV or MP3 or MP4 format(s).
Any place online that will let you download a CD
after you pay for it is already going to be giving
you exactly what you need so obviously that's the
best thing to do is just download the CD's in MP3
or MP4 format if you have access to a fat pipe like
a T1 or I guess DSL could cut the cake, too, if you
are patient.
Once you have an MP3 or MP4 you MAY or MAY NOT have
all you need to just submit it to programs like
'Intelliscore' or something ( See below ).
It all comes down to how the recording was made and
what the MP3 packets look like.
There are links below to the readily available
products that do the heavy lifting but let me just
tell you right here that most of the time I
don't even use these programs... I just do a
little 'trick' that I discovered.
I told you above what I am NOT... now let me tell
you what I AM... I am a programmer and I also happen
to know the current video and audio codecs pretty
well because I have had to write device drivers for
folks that deal with these various multimedia formats.
I discovered the 'trick' I am referring to about
pulling notes out the audio streams when I happened
to be converting an audio recording of a bluegrass
tune called 'Katy Hill'. I was using one of the
simpler MP3 to WAV converters that I have the source
code to and so I was able to just re-compile the
converter to make it do something special.
As it turns out... most bluegrass tunes will always
FEATURE the fiddler and the other instruments will
back way off during the fiddle solos. This is, by
nature, the way bluegrass is. It's a soloist medium
and it's the height of rudeness to NOT 'back off'
when the banjo guy or the fiddler or the mandoliner
gets 'his turn'. Even the original Bill Monroe
recordings have this 'back away from the microphone'
quality when the fiddler steps up.
Well... as it turns out... whenever you hit those
parts in a digitized MP3 or MP4 recording it is really
easy to just elminate ALL the other instruments
because in digital terms there emerges a 'foreground
volume threshold' that is stored in the audio packets
and you can just recognize what that threshold is
when the fiddler steps up and 'block' all the
other instruments.
Once you do that and you spit out the 'clean' fiddle
solo and also drop it down to monophonic then it's
really easy for programs like Intelliscore to spit
out the actual sheet music for the filtered track
and Voila... you have the fiddle solo printed on paper.
There's a little more to it than that and I think there
are some standard audio editing programs that do the
same exact thing ( They call these 'un-mixers' instead
of disassemblers ) but you get the gist. The 'filter it
on the fly' code I have works fine for me so I don't
know about the sound editing software that's out there.
Actually... the whole 'track volume' secret isn't a
secret at all and has come to be something that people
who rip off lots of music have complained so much
about that the commercial programs have addressed
their needs.
You will see a lot of CD 'ripper'and 'burner' software
advertising their ability to 'equalize' the volume as
a 'feature' these days. Here's just one one them...
http://www.musicmatch.com/download/plus/jukebox_intro.htm?os=pc&BTD=1&DID=999992918
Here is a blurb from their own page...
[snip]
Stop adjusting the volume
Perfect volume, all the time. Volume Leveling keeps steady
volume applied to all your music, eliminating volume spikes
or dips from track to track. And with the freedom to transfer
your music to portable MP3 devices or CD, you'll enjoy
perfect volume everywhere.
[snip]
Well... it's obvious from reading the above 'blurb' that
the software can examine the MP3 packets and 'adjust the
volume' information that is already there in the packets.
Obviously what this software is meant to do for people
is let them burn their own CD's from any number of
different albums or other recordings and make sure that
the different vloume levels that might be recorded in
all the things you are stuffing onto your CD gets
'smoothed out'.
Well... because of the nature of 'fiddle tunes' and the
fact that everyone 'backs off' for fiddle solos this volume
information becomes your friend, not your enemy.
I certainly wouldn't want to try and use my own 'filter'
to try and see exactly what the second-chair violin
is doing during any particular recording of the London
symphpony... but when it comes to dumping out on
paper what Mark O'Connor really does to 'Twinkle,
Twinkle Little Star'... it works like a champ.
* INTELLISCORE
This is a pretty good 'disassembler'.
Here is a link to a good summary of what it can do...
http://www.prweb.com/releases/?14571
The first paragraph of the page at the link above
pretty much gives the score ( pun intended )...
[snip]
Music recognition software frees musicians to be more creative
Innovative Music Systems, Inc. (a.k.a. IMSysInc) announced today
its release of an improved version of its groundbreaking
Intelliscore music recognition software, which converts
polyphonic music recordings to midi format. Intelliscore
uses a patent pending process to automatically figure out
what notes are present in prerecorded music. Previously,
a musician’s only option was to play recordings repeatedly
at slow speeds and transcribe by hand -- time they might
otherwise spend being creative.
[snip]
I have fooled around with the FREE DEMO of IntelliScore
from Innovative Music Systems, Inc. and it's pretty
darn good. It was designed specifically for musicians who
want to end up with sheet music when all they have
is a recording.
It is not for the faint of heart, however, and it's
going to get into 'polyphonic' and 'monophonic' issues
right away and all that stuff. You might even have to
get creative and ask your computer to 'play' an MP3
in monophonic mode while you are 'recording' it
directly into Intelliscore at the same time on
the same computer ( this is possible ).
You might even have to convert an MP3 track to WAV
before it will do a good job 'disassembling' but
nowadays that's no big deal, either.
Anyway... sometimes it works right off the bat with
some MP3 or WAV recordings and you get the full
score right away.
You can get a free demo of Intelliscore from...
http://www.intelliscore.net/
Be sure to download the 'Polyphonic' version versus
the less sophisticated monophonic one. The 'Polyphonic'
version is going to do much better with complicated
recordings.
* CONVERTERS
Sometimes a recording is just going to be too
complicated for some of the current retail level
disassemblers and you are going to have to play
the conversion/filtering game first.
This one does just about everything including allowing
you to apply 'filters' to recordings which can remove
everything but the track you are interested in and once
all the other instruments are gone it gets real easy
for other programs ( Like Intelliscore ) to spit out
the sheet music...
http://www.rmbsoft.com/ac.asp
When it comes to simply 'converting' or 'filtering'
the recordings there are about a a gazillion free
and commercial utilities for this step. Just do
a google search for 'MP3 converters' or just go
to the 'Audio Utilities' section of 'www.davecentral.com'.
* SUMMARY
That's about it.
Sorry for running off at the hand but it's a
complicated topic and I'm sure I still haven't
even scratched the surface.
I do what works for me and, fortunately, fiddle
tunes are some of the easiest things to 'disassemble'
so you don't have to waste all that time backing
up and figuring out all the notes. You can go
right from recording to sheet music.
The 'state of the art' in real-time music recognition
software is improving every day and if anyone wants
to read up on it then those are the best keywords
to type into a 'Google' search.
Just search for the 'exact phrase'...
"Music Reognition Software".
You will get about 1000 hits at Google.
Later...
Kevin
# Posted on May 14th 2002 by kiley
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
had a look at the web page for intelliscore. if taking music from multiple instruments, how easy is it to work out which line is the melody?
# Posted on May 14th 2002 by donnchad
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
Hi Kevin, quite a lot stuff for having not much time at the moment....I
# Posted on May 15th 2002 by crannog
Re: Is it legal to submit ABC from a music 'disassembler'?
I didn't have much luck with the program, I must not have it set right. I first tried a cut from Kevin Crehan's album (no backing) & it only picked up one in five notes. Since he uses a lot of slurs & slides I figured it might be too much for the program to handle. I tried Paddy Keenan playing the Pipe on the Hob next, because it has no backing, consistant dynamics etc. Same results every third or fourth note is picked up. I then tried the "polyphony" setting & it sounded somewhere between John Cage & a cat walking on a piano keyboard. For all the time I spent trying to make it work I could have figured the tune out on a whistle & jotted it down. The technology is almost here, but still needs a lot of debugging.
# Posted on May 15th 2002 by B Rad