I was playing at a session in a particular pub in cork city last night. It started at about 6pm. I arrived at about 7pm. I was playing away and enjoying the company of some well known musicians when one of the male workers approached me at about 8.30. He said that I would not be allowed to stay in the pub after 9pm unless I could prove that I was over 18. (I actually turned 19 last September). I kept playing away until about 9.20 when he returned. When asked for some identification so I gave him my college id, which was all I had. He said with a condescending attitude that it wasn’t good enough and said I had to have a garda identification card to stay. I wondered how many other people in the pub had this fom of id! So he told me to leave. Id like to know other peoples opinions on this and if it was uncalled for?
Everyone has some form of id (the opposite of ego, according to Freud).
Not everyone carries some form of i.d. (identification).
I'd means something else again.
had a similar experience when I turned 18. Ihad been drinking in oubs on a regular basis from the age of 15 and the first time I was refused a jar was about a fortnight after my 18th!!
Suggest you grow a beard or moustache.
I am actually 17 [spiritiually] see the pic of me from my bio links. I'm sure you'll agree I hardly look a day over 17
Here in the States, we are very used to be 'carded' ie asked to show ID, in tons of circumstances, mostly in bars & situations involving alcohol or tobacco. This from a country where you have to 18 to vote or go fight in a war but you have to be 21 to drink alcohol. Hey, I'm 31 & it tickles me pink when I'm carded! I'll only get grumpy about it when I start getting carded for my senior citizen discount..... However, though, I think since 9/11 & the Ashcroft regime, we're amazingly compliant about showing our ID to just about anyone on demand....
When I lived in Austin (and naturally, being of a certain age, drank heavily) I was never asked for ID. This was fortunate, because for the entire time, I was in fact under the legal age.
Last year (quite a number of years after this) I was in Austin for a conference, and a friend of mine and I decided to go into a Blues club. The bouncer asked to see my ID, telling me "Looks young.".
When I showed him my ID, he said, "Oh. Only LOOKS young."
i'm 18 but regularly get told that i look like i'm pushing 30. probably because i've been drinking heavily since i was about 12. such is life. and liver cirrhosis.
it is illegal for anyone under 18 to be in a pub in the Rep.of Ireland after 9pm.I believe this law came into effect in sept.2003 also anyone under 21 must carry I.D.whilst in a pub.(stupid laws)
Hey Geoff, They are so paranoid over here that even I get carded when I buy a six pack at a local convenience store. I'm 69, with a white beard. It's too bad they couln't have treated you a bit more charitably but from their point of view that just can't take a chance. I was once stopped by the garda and when I asked if there was a problem the man said cheerfully."Ah, and it's a lovely day if your missus would just fasten her seatbelt" Have a nice day!
If you truly were legal, and had ID, why did you leave? Stand on your rights-Can he prove you're not 18? If you're not 18, I sense a business opportunity for you in graphic arts! As we say in the States, "there's more than one way to skin a cat!"
I would take rainog's advice with a GREAT big grain of salt. That sounds like a good way to get tossed out onto the sidewalk. The bouncer doesn't have to prove you are under 18 or anything else. It's their business. They can run it any way they want.
Tocotodo says... "It's their business. They can run it any way they want."
Unfortunately we the people elect a government that tells the business owner "no smoking," they then over-tax us to death (literally), and then we complain about it. So, I wish tocotodo was right, but we are all losing our rights and if we are not careful, we will all be eventually doing what the UN tells us to do.
As a businessman I demand the basic human right to deal with the people I choose to deal with, and to refuse to do business with anyone I wish.
If I open an alehouse, I will continue to demand the basic human right to deal with the people I choose to deal with, and to refuse to do business with anyone I wish.
If I then choose to abide by the law of the land, and feel the need to ask my customers to comply with the law of the land, and they refuse to do so, I reserve the right to ask them to leave.
Is it actually the law in Eire that you have to have a Garda i.d., or not?
If it is, why should the licensee risk losing his license to run an alehouse just because somebody can't be bothered to comply with the law.
Sure - it's unfortunate if your features make you look younger than your real age, but I had it the other way round, and got a lot of flak for hanging around with teenage girls, when I appeared to be in my late twenties - though in fact I was eighteen at the time.
Swallow your beer, swallow your pride, and get a garda i.d. - it really is as simple as that.
I'm in agreement with Dave on this one; I'd be happy to see publicans comply with the law, if that's what the law demands. Of course, "sources very close to me" (ahem!) have enjoyed a pint or two of the amber nectar at FAR too young an age, but the past can't be undone ;o) I'd be happier yet to see them regularly enforce the rule that demands they refuse more booze to those already drunk-as-skunks!
When I was 18, I shared a flat with a woman of 28, who was asked for ID every time we went out for a drink. She was only too pleased to oblige with ID; as the hard-working single mother of a teenager (she sprogged young), who on a bad day regarded herself as fair $hagged out, she regarded such requests as a welcome "pick-me-up"!
Anybody think whats going to happen at music festivals like the willie clancey.Kids will be turfed out in the streets at nine thirty even if they're having the best sessions of their lives!! I think it's mad.
Unfair Dismissal?
Unfair Dismissal?
I was playing at a session in a particular pub in cork city last night. It started at about 6pm. I arrived at about 7pm. I was playing away and enjoying the company of some well known musicians when one of the male workers approached me at about 8.30. He said that I would not be allowed to stay in the pub after 9pm unless I could prove that I was over 18. (I actually turned 19 last September). I kept playing away until about 9.20 when he returned. When asked for some identification so I gave him my college id, which was all I had. He said with a condescending attitude that it wasn’t good enough and said I had to have a garda identification card to stay. I wondered how many other people in the pub had this fom of id! So he told me to leave. Id like to know other peoples opinions on this and if it was uncalled for?
# Posted on April 2nd 2004 by mike meade
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Everyone has some form of id (the opposite of ego, according to Freud).
Not everyone carries some form of i.d. (identification).
I'd means something else again.
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# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by geoffwright
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
had a similar experience when I turned 18. Ihad been drinking in oubs on a regular basis from the age of 15 and the first time I was refused a jar was about a fortnight after my 18th!!
Suggest you grow a beard or moustache.
I am actually 17 [spiritiually] see the pic of me from my bio links. I'm sure you'll agree I hardly look a day over 17
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by breandan
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
Here in the States, we are very used to be 'carded' ie asked to show ID, in tons of circumstances, mostly in bars & situations involving alcohol or tobacco. This from a country where you have to 18 to vote or go fight in a war but you have to be 21 to drink alcohol. Hey, I'm 31 & it tickles me pink when I'm carded! I'll only get grumpy about it when I start getting carded for my senior citizen discount..... However, though, I think since 9/11 & the Ashcroft regime, we're amazingly compliant about showing our ID to just about anyone on demand....
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by emily_bmore
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
When I lived in Austin (and naturally, being of a certain age, drank heavily) I was never asked for ID. This was fortunate, because for the entire time, I was in fact under the legal age.
Last year (quite a number of years after this) I was in Austin for a conference, and a friend of mine and I decided to go into a Blues club. The bouncer asked to see my ID, telling me "Looks young.".
When I showed him my ID, he said, "Oh. Only LOOKS young."
--Dave
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by Dave Weinstein
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
i'm 18 but regularly get told that i look like i'm pushing 30. probably because i've been drinking heavily since i was about 12. such is life. and liver cirrhosis.
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by NickPhelan
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
it is illegal for anyone under 18 to be in a pub in the Rep.of Ireland after 9pm.I believe this law came into effect in sept.2003 also anyone under 21 must carry I.D.whilst in a pub.(stupid laws)
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by mic
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
Hey Geoff, They are so paranoid over here that even I get carded when I buy a six pack at a local convenience store. I'm 69, with a white beard. It's too bad they couln't have treated you a bit more charitably but from their point of view that just can't take a chance. I was once stopped by the garda and when I asked if there was a problem the man said cheerfully."Ah, and it's a lovely day if your missus would just fasten her seatbelt" Have a nice day!
# Posted on April 3rd 2004 by windybaer
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
If you truly were legal, and had ID, why did you leave? Stand on your rights-Can he prove you're not 18? If you're not 18, I sense a business opportunity for you in graphic arts! As we say in the States, "there's more than one way to skin a cat!"
# Posted on April 4th 2004 by rainog
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
I would take rainog's advice with a GREAT big grain of salt. That sounds like a good way to get tossed out onto the sidewalk. The bouncer doesn't have to prove you are under 18 or anything else. It's their business. They can run it any way they want.
# Posted on April 4th 2004 by tocotodo
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
Tocotodo says... "It's their business. They can run it any way they want."
Unfortunately we the people elect a government that tells the business owner "no smoking," they then over-tax us to death (literally), and then we complain about it. So, I wish tocotodo was right, but we are all losing our rights and if we are not careful, we will all be eventually doing what the UN tells us to do.
# Posted on April 5th 2004 by The Merry Highlander
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
As a businessman I demand the basic human right to deal with the people I choose to deal with, and to refuse to do business with anyone I wish.
If I open an alehouse, I will continue to demand the basic human right to deal with the people I choose to deal with, and to refuse to do business with anyone I wish.
If I then choose to abide by the law of the land, and feel the need to ask my customers to comply with the law of the land, and they refuse to do so, I reserve the right to ask them to leave.
Is it actually the law in Eire that you have to have a Garda i.d., or not?
If it is, why should the licensee risk losing his license to run an alehouse just because somebody can't be bothered to comply with the law.
Sure - it's unfortunate if your features make you look younger than your real age, but I had it the other way round, and got a lot of flak for hanging around with teenage girls, when I appeared to be in my late twenties - though in fact I was eighteen at the time.
Swallow your beer, swallow your pride, and get a garda i.d. - it really is as simple as that.
Dave
# Posted on April 5th 2004 by showaddydadito
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
I'm in agreement with Dave on this one; I'd be happy to see publicans comply with the law, if that's what the law demands. Of course, "sources very close to me" (ahem!) have enjoyed a pint or two of the amber nectar at FAR too young an age, but the past can't be undone ;o) I'd be happier yet to see them regularly enforce the rule that demands they refuse more booze to those already drunk-as-skunks!
When I was 18, I shared a flat with a woman of 28, who was asked for ID every time we went out for a drink. She was only too pleased to oblige with ID; as the hard-working single mother of a teenager (she sprogged young), who on a bad day regarded herself as fair $hagged out, she regarded such requests as a welcome "pick-me-up"!
# Posted on April 5th 2004 by nastyweegirl
Re: Unfair Dismissal?
Anybody think whats going to happen at music festivals like the willie clancey.Kids will be turfed out in the streets at nine thirty even if they're having the best sessions of their lives!! I think it's mad.
# Posted on April 7th 2004 by downey