Hello all,
I would like some thoughts and info about something that has only recently been brought to my attention. I am going to be starting another session in my town, and I was told by a gentleman who frequently goes to Ireland, as well as another gentleman from Dublin, that sessions in Ireland are never in circle formation. They said that a semi circle or a "V" formation was more common because it is considered rude to have your backs to the audience in the pub where you are playing.
I am by no means a beginner to ITM in the actual playing area, but since I have not yet been fortunate enough to make it to Ireland myself, I rely on what others tell me is true when it comes to matters of culture. I have never been to a session where players have been in a semi-circle (I live in the US), but that doesn't mean that it isn't common elsewhere. I'm trying to decide if I want to make my session in a circle or a semi-circle formation. The gentleman who goes to Ireland frequently who told me about this semi-circle formation told me he wouldn't come to the new session if I made a circle formation because it "isn't correct."
So, what are the "merits" of either formation? Is one more "correct" than the other? Is it possible to hear one another in a semi-circle or V?
Hmmm...I've been to Ireland and have never really took notice of the actual formation. Everyplace is different..... Our local session venue is small and gets crowded so we have no choice but to form a big circle if everyone is going to play. I don't think the listeners feel it's rude or anything like that.
In my experience it's actually very rare for sessions in Ireland to be anything other than a loose circular shape. You're not really playing for an audience although by definition a pub session will nearly always have one. Marco's Mobius ring is what you end up with if the landlord is giving out free pints.
I think all of the sessions I've been to in Ireland (probably in around a dozen different pubs) have been circular, though sometimes a part of the circle was taken up by the fireplace. In some, there was a sense that the musicians were playing for an audience - not concert-style, but not ignoring them. In others, that feeling was mostly absent.
Lynnsey, it sounds like your gentlemen are winding you up. I don't believe I've ever seen a session (Ireland or otherwise) with experienced players in it that was anything other than a loosely circular shape, though of course I've only been to sessions in Ireland, England, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Boston, and in Colorado.
Now, the most experienced players (or even simply just the first players to arrive) in a fairly popular session may indeed start out in a more or less line up against a wall or some such, expecting people to join them and complete the circle by facing them...
I'd certainly go with Conan's experience over almost anyone else's, that's for sure. A busier session hound you'll never find...
Concentric circles, most experienced players at the core, out to wannabes and punters at the fringe. Your gent is either winding you up or inadvertently sat on someone's tipper and hasn't thought to withdraw it yet. In which case, I'd promptly circle the players and leave him to fend for himself.
Really, it depends on the room you're in. Sessions often end up in a corner, so may take on a vee shape, but I can't think to a session I've been to (though none in Ireland yet) where someone *didn't* have their back to the punters. It's not rude, it's practical, and keeps the focus where it ought to be, on the fountain of tunes splashing up from the middle.
I've heard that in Ireland they don't sit in a circle to play cards either. Instead, they sit in a "V" or half circle because they're really playing cards for the audience. They take turns dealing, and they usually stand up and do tricks for the punters who are enjoying the show. Sometimes the publican will have a video camera running and put out monitors on the street so passers by can watch, or into the next room. What's weird is that you can see the card game better from the next room sometimes. They never bet any money because the publican pays them for having their card game in his pub. He also gives them free pints all night and brings out sandwiches at the end. I also heard that they're going to start having golf tournaments in the pubs too.
There are lots of "sessions" in Ireland where the participants sit in a V shape. Typically these "sessions" consist of three people, so their V shape is often misinterpreted as a circle. (A little known fact I remember from my long-ago days in ninth grade geometry: three non-colinear points define one and only one circle.) These "sessions" in Irish pubs are typically held for the benefit of tourists, and they are advertised as "sessions", but what they really are is....gigs. Which is why so many of them aren't exactly welcoming to the well-meaning stranger who wanders in expecting to be able to play in the "session".
Real sessions, in which the participants are playing for the pure enjoyment of playing with others, and not for the pleasure of an audience, will always be in some formation that resembles a circle (i.e. an oval, an ellipse, a rectangle, a paramecium shape, etc, depending on the layout of the particular pub). That's the only way you can possibly hear and interact with all the people you're playing with. There are sessions of this type in Ireland too, but they're usually not advertised...
Well, I've been to a few sessions in Ireland, and as I recall they were always in some sort of circle. More to the point though, they were circled around a table, and the table was where everyone put their drinks. Is it just a case of form following function?
I suppose this evening we'll hear from the Aussie contingent that their sessions all take place hanging upside down from the rafters, punters standing on their heads. No doubt in an 'inverted vee' formation as well....
Lynnsey, ask to see your gent's official "session police" badge. Could be he's an imposter.
Seriously, even if he's a brilliant player, I'd wonder if he's the sort you'd want in your circle (or vee or trapezoid or forward-facing rows or....). His notions of session 'correctitude' probably go deeper than the layout of the chairs, and that sounds like trouble to me. My approach would be, anyone who threatens to boycott a session if they don't get their way is welcome to start their own session, in another pub, on another night, preferably on that new planetoid they discovered. It'll be a solo act soon enough.
A good session works because the players involved share a common sense of what they're after, which typically is good tunes, well played, over tall pints, and a chance to swap lies now and then. (Of course, each session has its own personality and intentions.) Above all else, decent acoustics are crucial to this mix--you have to be able to hear each other's instruments, and it's nice if you don't have to shout to be heard during the lulls. That's why sessions usually form in some rough circular shape, and why they tend to stick to corners (out of drafts, nice reverb from the walls, and some of us prevaricators like our backs to the walls to avoid surprises .
As has been said many times here before, think of a session as a conversation among like-minded people, using music more than words. If ten of you showed up in a pub to discuss the deconstructive syntactical themes of Joyce's Ulysses, would you sit facing each other around a table, or in rows like a class room, facing the knobheads at the bar?
Some sessions I´ve seen could be more aptly described as a scrum )
My pet hate is when the punters are sitting in among the musicians, and show no signs of moving. Fortunately it doesn´t happen very often, but when it does...!
Our local sesh relocated this week from Tuesday night to Wednesday, to double up on St. Paddy's Day. Plus it was discount night (a weekly event) at the local taproom. Between the music and the inexpensive beer, we had the most crowded pub in town. Plus we enjoyed the genuine privilege of six (count 'em) out of town visiting players. So by the time I walked in the door, my regular seat was occupied, and I was relegated to a spot in perilous proximity to the punters. A toddler in jumpers made repeated ascents of the (to him) 5.13 pitch into my lap, while I was playing, at times using my fingering arm and even fiddle scroll for hand holds. Since this is a family friendly board, I won't mention where the toe-holds were.... His mom bent down to scoop him on belay at one point, and I nearly skewered her eye with the tip of my bow (inspiration to write the sequel to 'Bang Your Frog on the Sofa' . Another punter absent-mindedly swatted my bow right off the strings in mid-tune as she illustrated her gossip with hand signals. Sigh. Brawl indeed.
LOL, thanks guys - you've made me feel a lot better about a rather awkward situation from a man who is used to causing trouble. I just didn't know how legit this tale actually was, but I'm glad to hear that a circle is what is done practically everywhere. Makes sense to me - everyone can hear one another!
P.S. To stay on topic, I should mention that at that point in the evening, our session was Q-shaped, and I was on the outer end of the little lever that keeps the Q from rolling around like an O.
ROTFLMAO - a bodhranista! Why didn't you say so in the first place? _*Never*_ let a backer dictate the shape, style, sound, site, stratification, sequence, or substance of a session! LOL.
Geez, violynnsey, you let Sully pull your leg again?
The "gentleman who frequently goes to Ireland" is a great guy (if you overlook his bodhran habit), but he truly loves to stir the pot, and he is the very definition of opinionated.
I've played sessions in Ireland, Chicago, North Carolina, West Virginia, and a certain small southern city for over ten years, and the best arrangement to me is a small, intimate circle with a table in the middle on which to place beers. Sessions in Ireland can be interpreted to resemble a "V," but that's mainly because they're usually in the corner of the room. If they're in the middle of a wall, then you end up with a "U." Their sessions usually don't end up as large as a symphony orchestra like ours do--you have to earn your right to sit down with the big boys and girls, or at least be polite about it. Even though I have played guitar for more than 30 years and with a few big names in the ITM world, I would never barge in over there and sit down and presume I'm going to be loved and listened to. If it's a conversation--and it is--one does not simply walk in and start shouting.
Surround a small table, don't let the circle get ridiculously large, and take Sully's advice with a grain of salt. There's plenty of bodhran players in the world!
Steve, I know how Sully is with exaggerating - I just was curious about the whole topic. Until he brought it up, I never thought that there was another formation for sessions other than a circle.
And yes, I am definately taking what he said with a grain of salt. However, in my defense, I don't think it was right of him to put pressure on me (who has never done anything to him or anyone else for that matter) to do a session "his way" or he won't come. I've never had a problem with him, and still don't. I think it would be unfortunate if he lets this demand of his interfere with what sessions are all about.
Some great ideas and situations...but no one has mentioned the tiered session! I've sometimes been in sessions,[ Liverpool, Dublin, Birmingham, Listowel, London, Amsterdam ], which were so well attended that bodhranistas, the odd fiddler or two have perched up on the top rail of the old fashioned pub seating, with pipers, fiddlers, fluters and guitarists, mandolinists seated on the benches. Certainly utilises the space efficiently!
In answer to the remark about the Antipodes, I've not found any upsides down sessions yet, though the after effects have yielded some horizontal [ non-playing I must stress! } positions achieved by fellow performers!
I always play in a circle ('tis called a bodhrŕn). I only turn me back on people when I'm ordering drinks for them at the bar.
(But I always ask someone to look after the drum. 'tis amazin the tings they'll steal when you're not lookin'!)
Does it really matter what geometric configuration you choose? Not that we ever really choose them! Have you ever heard anyone grizzling that you have to move to the other side of the fiddler because you're makinga bump in the circle. I suspect we usually picked circle for defence! (Circle the wagon, boys - here come the punters.... and they're LOUD) As for the tiered approach, I've had some wonderful sessions at my place which had a VERY small living room but a MOSTconvenient open staircase. It was a bit like the stairway to heaven, with fiddleplaying 'putti' at every step! At the pub it's a bit different - for a start we don't have open rafters to hang from - though given the state of some of the punters, it'd probably be a bloody good idea!
Circle or Semi-Circle formation?
Circle or Semi-Circle formation?
Hello all,
I would like some thoughts and info about something that has only recently been brought to my attention. I am going to be starting another session in my town, and I was told by a gentleman who frequently goes to Ireland, as well as another gentleman from Dublin, that sessions in Ireland are never in circle formation. They said that a semi circle or a "V" formation was more common because it is considered rude to have your backs to the audience in the pub where you are playing.
I am by no means a beginner to ITM in the actual playing area, but since I have not yet been fortunate enough to make it to Ireland myself, I rely on what others tell me is true when it comes to matters of culture. I have never been to a session where players have been in a semi-circle (I live in the US), but that doesn't mean that it isn't common elsewhere. I'm trying to decide if I want to make my session in a circle or a semi-circle formation. The gentleman who goes to Ireland frequently who told me about this semi-circle formation told me he wouldn't come to the new session if I made a circle formation because it "isn't correct."
So, what are the "merits" of either formation? Is one more "correct" than the other? Is it possible to hear one another in a semi-circle or V?
Thanks for the thoughts!
Lynnsey
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by violynnsey
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Hmmm...I've been to Ireland and have never really took notice of the actual formation. Everyplace is different..... Our local session venue is small and gets crowded so we have no choice but to form a big circle if everyone is going to play. I don't think the listeners feel it's rude or anything like that.
Joyce
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by JMH
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Try W or K, or the Moebius ring ( this one is a little bit difficult )
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by gian marco
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In my experience it's actually very rare for sessions in Ireland to be anything other than a loose circular shape. You're not really playing for an audience although by definition a pub session will nearly always have one. Marco's Mobius ring is what you end up with if the landlord is giving out free pints.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Conán McDonnell
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I think all of the sessions I've been to in Ireland (probably in around a dozen different pubs) have been circular, though sometimes a part of the circle was taken up by the fireplace. In some, there was a sense that the musicians were playing for an audience - not concert-style, but not ignoring them. In others, that feeling was mostly absent.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by GaryAMartin
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Lynnsey, it sounds like your gentlemen are winding you up. I don't believe I've ever seen a session (Ireland or otherwise) with experienced players in it that was anything other than a loosely circular shape, though of course I've only been to sessions in Ireland, England, San Francisco, Chicago, New York, Boston, and in Colorado.
Now, the most experienced players (or even simply just the first players to arrive) in a fairly popular session may indeed start out in a more or less line up against a wall or some such, expecting people to join them and complete the circle by facing them...
I'd certainly go with Conan's experience over almost anyone else's, that's for sure. A busier session hound you'll never find...
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Zina Lee
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Woof!
;¬)
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Conán McDonnell
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If you're a good boy, I'll rub your tummy!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Zina Lee
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As Father Ted might have said, careful now!
C
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Conán McDonnell
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LOL -- only of what I wish for!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Zina Lee
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Concentric circles, most experienced players at the core, out to wannabes and punters at the fringe. Your gent is either winding you up or inadvertently sat on someone's tipper and hasn't thought to withdraw it yet. In which case, I'd promptly circle the players and leave him to fend for himself.
Really, it depends on the room you're in. Sessions often end up in a corner, so may take on a vee shape, but I can't think to a session I've been to (though none in Ireland yet) where someone *didn't* have their back to the punters. It's not rude, it's practical, and keeps the focus where it ought to be, on the fountain of tunes splashing up from the middle.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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I've heard that in Ireland they don't sit in a circle to play cards either. Instead, they sit in a "V" or half circle because they're really playing cards for the audience. They take turns dealing, and they usually stand up and do tricks for the punters who are enjoying the show. Sometimes the publican will have a video camera running and put out monitors on the street so passers by can watch, or into the next room. What's weird is that you can see the card game better from the next room sometimes. They never bet any money because the publican pays them for having their card game in his pub. He also gives them free pints all night and brings out sandwiches at the end. I also heard that they're going to start having golf tournaments in the pubs too.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Phantom Button
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There are lots of "sessions" in Ireland where the participants sit in a V shape. Typically these "sessions" consist of three people, so their V shape is often misinterpreted as a circle. (A little known fact I remember from my long-ago days in ninth grade geometry: three non-colinear points define one and only one circle.) These "sessions" in Irish pubs are typically held for the benefit of tourists, and they are advertised as "sessions", but what they really are is....gigs. Which is why so many of them aren't exactly welcoming to the well-meaning stranger who wanders in expecting to be able to play in the "session".
Real sessions, in which the participants are playing for the pure enjoyment of playing with others, and not for the pleasure of an audience, will always be in some formation that resembles a circle (i.e. an oval, an ellipse, a rectangle, a paramecium shape, etc, depending on the layout of the particular pub). That's the only way you can possibly hear and interact with all the people you're playing with. There are sessions of this type in Ireland too, but they're usually not advertised...
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by johnkerr
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Well, I've been to a few sessions in Ireland, and as I recall they were always in some sort of circle. More to the point though, they were circled around a table, and the table was where everyone put their drinks. Is it just a case of form following function?
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Susan Lawlor
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I suppose this evening we'll hear from the Aussie contingent that their sessions all take place hanging upside down from the rafters, punters standing on their heads. No doubt in an 'inverted vee' formation as well....
Lynnsey, ask to see your gent's official "session police" badge. Could be he's an imposter.
Seriously, even if he's a brilliant player, I'd wonder if he's the sort you'd want in your circle (or vee or trapezoid or forward-facing rows or....). His notions of session 'correctitude' probably go deeper than the layout of the chairs, and that sounds like trouble to me. My approach would be, anyone who threatens to boycott a session if they don't get their way is welcome to start their own session, in another pub, on another night, preferably on that new planetoid they discovered. It'll be a solo act soon enough.
A good session works because the players involved share a common sense of what they're after, which typically is good tunes, well played, over tall pints, and a chance to swap lies now and then. (Of course, each session has its own personality and intentions.) Above all else, decent acoustics are crucial to this mix--you have to be able to hear each other's instruments, and it's nice if you don't have to shout to be heard during the lulls. That's why sessions usually form in some rough circular shape, and why they tend to stick to corners (out of drafts, nice reverb from the walls, and some of us prevaricators like our backs to the walls to avoid surprises
.
As has been said many times here before, think of a session as a conversation among like-minded people, using music more than words. If ten of you showed up in a pub to discuss the deconstructive syntactical themes of Joyce's Ulysses, would you sit facing each other around a table, or in rows like a class room, facing the knobheads at the bar?
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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And by the way, it's paramecium that have the little wavy feeler thingies all round the edges, don't they?
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Zina Lee
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Zina, that's a harsh way to talk about our session groupies and bodhran players....
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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You can´t beat a rhomboid with the punters in the middle!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by murfbox
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Ah, but that's a 'scrum,' isn't it?
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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Some sessions I´ve seen could be more aptly described as a scrum
)
My pet hate is when the punters are sitting in among the musicians, and show no signs of moving. Fortunately it doesn´t happen very often, but when it does...!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by murfbox
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Here in the States we call it a brawl.
Our local sesh relocated this week from Tuesday night to Wednesday, to double up on St. Paddy's Day. Plus it was discount night (a weekly event) at the local taproom. Between the music and the inexpensive beer, we had the most crowded pub in town. Plus we enjoyed the genuine privilege of six (count 'em) out of town visiting players. So by the time I walked in the door, my regular seat was occupied, and I was relegated to a spot in perilous proximity to the punters. A toddler in jumpers made repeated ascents of the (to him) 5.13 pitch into my lap, while I was playing, at times using my fingering arm and even fiddle scroll for hand holds. Since this is a family friendly board, I won't mention where the toe-holds were.... His mom bent down to scoop him on belay at one point, and I nearly skewered her eye with the tip of my bow (inspiration to write the sequel to 'Bang Your Frog on the Sofa'
. Another punter absent-mindedly swatted my bow right off the strings in mid-tune as she illustrated her gossip with hand signals. Sigh. Brawl indeed. 
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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LOL, thanks guys - you've made me feel a lot better about a rather awkward situation from a man who is used to causing trouble. I just didn't know how legit this tale actually was, but I'm glad to hear that a circle is what is done practically everywhere. Makes sense to me - everyone can hear one another!
By the way, he is a bodhran player.
Lynnsey
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by violynnsey
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P.S. To stay on topic, I should mention that at that point in the evening, our session was Q-shaped, and I was on the outer end of the little lever that keeps the Q from rolling around like an O.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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ROTFLMAO - a bodhranista! Why didn't you say so in the first place? _*Never*_ let a backer dictate the shape, style, sound, site, stratification, sequence, or substance of a session! LOL.
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Will CPT
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Lynnsey, this bodhranista with attitude says he won´t come to your new session if you all play in a circle?
Form a circle immediately!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by murfbox
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Amen, Will! I certainly won't...
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by violynnsey
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Geez, violynnsey, you let Sully pull your leg again?
The "gentleman who frequently goes to Ireland" is a great guy (if you overlook his bodhran habit), but he truly loves to stir the pot, and he is the very definition of opinionated.
I've played sessions in Ireland, Chicago, North Carolina, West Virginia, and a certain small southern city for over ten years, and the best arrangement to me is a small, intimate circle with a table in the middle on which to place beers. Sessions in Ireland can be interpreted to resemble a "V," but that's mainly because they're usually in the corner of the room. If they're in the middle of a wall, then you end up with a "U." Their sessions usually don't end up as large as a symphony orchestra like ours do--you have to earn your right to sit down with the big boys and girls, or at least be polite about it. Even though I have played guitar for more than 30 years and with a few big names in the ITM world, I would never barge in over there and sit down and presume I'm going to be loved and listened to. If it's a conversation--and it is--one does not simply walk in and start shouting.
Surround a small table, don't let the circle get ridiculously large, and take Sully's advice with a grain of salt. There's plenty of bodhran players in the world!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Audeamus
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Aw, poor Sully! De-masked online!
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by Zina Lee
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Steve, I know how Sully is with exaggerating - I just was curious about the whole topic. Until he brought it up, I never thought that there was another formation for sessions other than a circle.
And yes, I am definately taking what he said with a grain of salt. However, in my defense, I don't think it was right of him to put pressure on me (who has never done anything to him or anyone else for that matter) to do a session "his way" or he won't come. I've never had a problem with him, and still don't. I think it would be unfortunate if he lets this demand of his interfere with what sessions are all about.
Lynnsey
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by violynnsey
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Some great ideas and situations...but no one has mentioned the tiered session! I've sometimes been in sessions,[ Liverpool, Dublin, Birmingham, Listowel, London, Amsterdam ], which were so well attended that bodhranistas, the odd fiddler or two have perched up on the top rail of the old fashioned pub seating, with pipers, fiddlers, fluters and guitarists, mandolinists seated on the benches. Certainly utilises the space efficiently!
In answer to the remark about the Antipodes, I've not found any upsides down sessions yet, though the after effects have yielded some horizontal [ non-playing I must stress! } positions achieved by fellow performers!
Bx
# Posted on March 19th 2004 by briantheflute
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I always play in a circle ('tis called a bodhrŕn). I only turn me back on people when I'm ordering drinks for them at the bar.
(But I always ask someone to look after the drum. 'tis amazin the tings they'll steal when you're not lookin'!)
# Posted on March 20th 2004 by Joe Quinn
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Does it really matter what geometric configuration you choose? Not that we ever really choose them! Have you ever heard anyone grizzling that you have to move to the other side of the fiddler because you're makinga bump in the circle. I suspect we usually picked circle for defence! (Circle the wagon, boys - here come the punters.... and they're LOUD) As for the tiered approach, I've had some wonderful sessions at my place which had a VERY small living room but a MOSTconvenient open staircase. It was a bit like the stairway to heaven, with fiddleplaying 'putti' at every step! At the pub it's a bit different - for a start we don't have open rafters to hang from - though given the state of some of the punters, it'd probably be a bloody good idea!
siobhanín aneas
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by siobhanin
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I prefer the paramecium shape, because now I can look on the outlying folks as the little feeler thingybobbies.
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by Zina Lee
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Um, flagella?
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by emily_bmore
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Damn, they're cilia.
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by emily_bmore
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Just start the jokes rolling in now! Excellent image of paramecium-shaped sesh though, Zina, I love it.
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by emily_bmore
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Our session plays in (and out) of a Klein bottle.
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by GaryAMartin
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What's the diff between a flagella and a cilia, for god's sake?
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by Zina Lee
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A flagellum is a single, long, whip-like tail. Cilia are short and appear in large numbers.
# Posted on March 22nd 2004 by HighlandSun