Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I believe Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte is a Scottish tune, however I have had no luck finding a translation for this title. Does anyone know what it means, and/or how to pronounce it?
Thanks.
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I don't know about the Scottish connection, but I hae ma doubts. The poem/song was written in the 18th century by Peadar O Doirnin who for a day job was a hedge schoolmaster in the region of Louth and South Armagh. The title, literally, is The Fresh Hill of Cian the son of Cainte. It is sometimes translated as The Fair Hill of Killen and again as The Fairy Hill of Killen. Killen is in Louth.
The poet is trying to coax this beauty to accompany him to the hill (he also mentions Cian's fort there and his cave). Cian was a mythological character who had magical powers and came to a sticky end, so the place had an aura/enchantment about it.
Poor Peadar. None of these poets. despite their sweet nothings, ever had any luck with the women. Well, Oisin excluded. P thought this fair maid would bring him a life of unending bliss. Dream on, Peadar. I like the air and I sometimes sing the song.
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Under the tile "Urchnoc Cian M'Cainte (trad Irish)" this is written:
"Peadar O Doirnin (1684-1768) was one of Ireland's great poets. His poem "Cnoc Chéin Mhic Cáinte" tells of a lover's pleading with his mistress to flee with him, far from "priests and layfolk" to the cave of Cian mac Cainte, a tragic Irish hero."
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I read the ?? again. Given the proviso that there are regional diffs in Irish pron, the following wouldn;t get you kicked out of any gathering of Gaeilgeoiri. OOR (as in poor) KENUCK (the aspirated ch is impossible to represent in English, just try to bring phlegm up off the chest and you get the idea) KAY-INN VICK KAW-INN-CHEH.
mairtin
Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I believe Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte is a Scottish tune, however I have had no luck finding a translation for this title. Does anyone know what it means, and/or how to pronounce it?
Thanks.
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by chubbysparrow
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I don't know about the Scottish connection, but I hae ma doubts. The poem/song was written in the 18th century by Peadar O Doirnin who for a day job was a hedge schoolmaster in the region of Louth and South Armagh. The title, literally, is The Fresh Hill of Cian the son of Cainte. It is sometimes translated as The Fair Hill of Killen and again as The Fairy Hill of Killen. Killen is in Louth.
The poet is trying to coax this beauty to accompany him to the hill (he also mentions Cian's fort there and his cave). Cian was a mythological character who had magical powers and came to a sticky end, so the place had an aura/enchantment about it.
Poor Peadar. None of these poets. despite their sweet nothings, ever had any luck with the women. Well, Oisin excluded. P thought this fair maid would bring him a life of unending bliss. Dream on, Peadar. I like the air and I sometimes sing the song.
Sin e.
mairtin
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by frozenstiff
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Under the tile "Urchnoc Cian M'Cainte (trad Irish)" this is written:
"Peadar O Doirnin (1684-1768) was one of Ireland's great poets. His poem "Cnoc Chéin Mhic Cáinte" tells of a lover's pleading with his mistress to flee with him, far from "priests and layfolk" to the cave of Cian mac Cainte, a tragic Irish hero."
http://home.earthlink.net/~gkfb/ohcdnote.htm#urchnoc
-dogma
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by dogmageek
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
I read the ?? again. Given the proviso that there are regional diffs in Irish pron, the following wouldn;t get you kicked out of any gathering of Gaeilgeoiri. OOR (as in poor) KENUCK (the aspirated ch is impossible to represent in English, just try to bring phlegm up off the chest and you get the idea) KAY-INN VICK KAW-INN-CHEH.
mairtin
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by frozenstiff
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
'kh' works quite well for the lenited c.
Oy, simkhas toyra, zing ikh a lidl....
-Pádraig
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by Pádraig
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
The n in cnoc is usuially pronounced as an r in the North. So chnoc would be more like khhruck.
Conán
# Posted on March 9th 2004 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Right you are, Conan. Also in Mayo and Galway, this is the most common spoken form.
mairtin
# Posted on March 10th 2004 by frozenstiff
Re: Urchnoc Chein Mhic Cainte - what does the title mean?
Thanks for all the information everyone, very helpful.
cheers!
# Posted on March 13th 2004 by chubbysparrow