The second part sounds like it could be a French bourrée. The first part sounds like it could be a French waltz (maaaaaybe a bourrée). In general, I doubt it's intended to be a mazurka.
Difficult to say where it comes from, or for exactly which dance it is intended. If you dotted and semiquavered those quavers it would be more typical of a mazurka - then again, you could tweak it to a minuet, or even a sarabande.
It does sound familiar, though. Where did you get it from?
Where did I get it from? From someone at one of my local sessions. Where did he get it from - I don't know. I'll ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks time!
Mazurkas, in general, tend to be more notey, meaning 'more notes', denser, allowing for that swing to be obvious, while varsoviennes are generally less notey, like the transcription at the top, or, at least as it has been given.
Here's what defines the 'varsovienne' in it ~ the A-part first, note the phrases ~
As to a nationality for it? Dutch? I still haven't gone melody hunting, as certain other distractions and responsibilities have delayed that niggling curiosity...
3/4 mazurkas / varsoviennes, it's easy to doctor them up either way to fit a particular dance... The varsovienne was one of the most popular couple dances going, spread all over this planet, and the usual melody associated with it, 'Shoe the Donkey', and all its other names and lyrics, I've collected versions from pretty much every continent, and a few islands too... There are some interesting variations on just that one melody. With this one, the order is reversed, meaning that the B-music correlates with the A of the usual varsovienne, and the A of this with the B of, for example, the better known melody for it, "Shoot the Donkey"...
Title for Mazurka needed, please
Title for Mazurka needed, please
Can anyone one provide me with the title of this mazurka, please? I believe it to be French. (abc below):
X: 1
T: Mazurka (French?)
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K:G
|:DG|B2A2G2|B4DG|B2A2G2|A4FG|
A2G2F2|A4Bc|B2A2F2|G4:|
|:d2|e4e2|d4B2|ABc2A2|B2G2d2|
e4e2|d4B2|ABc2F2|G4:|
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
The second part sounds like it could be a French bourrée. The first part sounds like it could be a French waltz (maaaaaybe a bourrée). In general, I doubt it's intended to be a mazurka.
Or it could not be French...
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Tirno
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
If it were bourrée, it wouldn't be in 3/4 time.
Possibly a waltz - but more likely a mazurka, I believe.
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
I'll do some checking, but it feels more like that close cousin 'The Varsovienne'...
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by ceolachan
& yes, there is a difference, if some might say 'subtle'...
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by ceolachan
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
Thanks for checking in on this one, Ceol. Yes, a very similar structure to Varsovienne - and yet the melody is different.
But "out of the same stable", certainly - and as I said above, I believe it to be French.
Some thoughts from other tuneophiles would be handy - Weejie for instance?
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
Difficult to say where it comes from, or for exactly which dance it is intended. If you dotted and semiquavered those quavers it would be more typical of a mazurka - then again, you could tweak it to a minuet, or even a sarabande.
It does sound familiar, though. Where did you get it from?
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Weejie
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
Thanks, for your thoughts, Weejie.
Where did I get it from? From someone at one of my local sessions. Where did he get it from - I don't know. I'll ask him when I see him in a couple of weeks time!
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Title for Varsovienne needed ~
Mazurkas, in general, tend to be more notey, meaning 'more notes', denser, allowing for that swing to be obvious, while varsoviennes are generally less notey, like the transcription at the top, or, at least as it has been given.
I still haven't gone melody hunting, as certain other distractions and responsibilities have delayed that niggling curiosity...
Here's what defines the 'varsovienne' in it ~ the A-part first, note the phrases ~
DG | B2 A2 G2 | B4
DG | B2 A2 G2 | A4
FG | A2 G2 F2 | A4
Bc | B2 A2 F2 | G4
& now the B-part ~
d2 | e4
e2 | d4
B2 | AB c2 A2 | B2 G2
d2 | e4
e2 | d4
B2 | AB c2 F2 | G4
As to a nationality for it? Dutch?
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by ceolachan
Just for the kick, and maybe a different arrangement will draw out more memories ~
X: 2
T: Gan Ainm
M: 3/4
L: 1/8
K: GMaj
|: D>G |\
B2 (3ABA G2 | B4 D>G | B2 (3ABA G2 | A4 F>G |
A2 (3GAG F2 | A2 A2 B>c | d>e d>c A>F | G4 :|
|: d2 |\
e>e e2 c2 | d>d d2 B2 | A>B c>B c>A | B2 G2 d2 |
(3eee e2 c2 | (3ddd d2 A>B | c>B c>A F>D | G4 :|
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by ceolachan
3/4 mazurkas / varsoviennes, it's easy to doctor them up either way to fit a particular dance... The varsovienne was one of the most popular couple dances going, spread all over this planet, and the usual melody associated with it, 'Shoe the Donkey', and all its other names and lyrics, I've collected versions from pretty much every continent, and a few islands too... There are some interesting variations on just that one melody. With this one, the order is reversed, meaning that the B-music correlates with the A of the usual varsovienne, and the A of this with the B of, for example, the better known melody for it, "Shoot the Donkey"...
# Posted on February 4th 2012 by ceolachan
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
I'm from America, so shootin' donkeys is alright, might even shoot a bull, just as long as we don't skin any mules!
# Posted on February 5th 2012 by mrkelahan
Re: Title for Mazurka needed, please
Sorry, no luck yet Mix... But I did discover another tune you'd asked me about that I'd been searching for...
# Posted on February 6th 2012 by ceolachan