Hey all
I am just home from the second Sherlock Holmes movie, quite entertaining if you like Guy Richie's style. Anyway, just like in the first one, he used a piece of irish trad in the movie. In the first it were the Dubliner's Rocky Road to Dublin, but in the second it was a reel, mainly played by a fiddle, backed by a bodhran. Unfortunately, they weren't telling us in the credits who the musicians were. Would anybody on this list have an idea?
Thanks
Rolf
Ha, I just got back from the movie and was going to check to see if anyone had posted a thread like this one. Anyone have a name for the reel? The bootleg recording I made is sh*te, else I'd have a go at transcribing it myself.
I'd like to jump to the inevitable final posting of this mystery or who-dun-it when the tune and perpetrator is discovered and be the first to say. 'Elementry My Dear Watson'!
Has the film got a website? You may find more info there. It really annoys me when I hear interesting music on a filmsound track and can't find the details - when even the accountant and the person who does refreshments get a mention!.
Good one weeg!
How nice that they can ask on that link about a "violin song" and not get a load of abuse. Anyway, they seem to think it's the Congress Reel ..
Listening to my recording (which I can barely make out over the fight noises) again...the A part is a cousin of the Congress, but what little I can hear of the B part diverges. I'm almost sure it's a different tune. I like to think that I can identify tunes that I play on a regular basis, especially when they're being played in a 4-minute loop.
Hey all
@oldstrings: Wrong movie, this is the first one.
The tune didn't sound familiar and I think I would have thought that I knew it if it was the Congress Reel or Johnny Cope. It was very well played, both fiddle and bodhran. The Congress Reel was composed around the Eucharistic Congress in Dublin, in 1932, but sure it could be used in the movie. It's background music for a fight, but no one is actually playing it in the movie.
The hunt continues...
Rolf
So Watson has an especially rough day of Christmas shopping, what with his bum leg and all, and returns to 221B Baker Street, and says to his roommate, "Boy am I glad to see you. After all, there's no face like Holmes for the holidays..."
Don't recognise it at all -it's certainly not "The Congress", nor is it "Johnny Cope", as Weejie" says above. Doesn't sound particularly Irish to me either. Can't help with this one, I'm afraid.
Hey
sure, I guess it's written for the scene. No trad tune, not the Congress (although the very beginning is similar), and doesn't sound like the Dubliners to me either.
So the question remains: Who are the musicians?
Definitely sounds like a few riffs put together for the scene, as you say.
Couldn't find any info on the session musicians (in the recording sense of the words) but came across an interesting little documentary regarding the Romanian musicians:
Reminded me of the times I visited Romania; many of the restaurants and cafes had fantastic muscians, educated at the conservatory of folk music. The cimbalom player in the clips is excellent but that seems to be the standard over there.
Well, the diddley was well played and so was the bodhran, it sounded authentic. That doesn't mean it has to be someone Irish who played it. I am surprised it isn't on the soundtrack and wasn't mentioned at all in the credits..
Rolf
if your're talking about the new movie that just came out at about 29 minutes. I've had a listen and the closest match I've come up with so far is Doctor Gilbert's. although the feel of the tune is differnent than I've heard it before. I'm also very drunk at this point and now there's highland bagpipes playing and I can't really concntrate right now. It is a nice tune though would love to learn whatever it is. tomorrow I'll try and confirm the Doctor Gilbert theory or sometime before tuesday. I'll let you know what I come up with
Never mind all that, I've just purchased the complete works of Arthur Conan Doyle on my new Kindle for $0.99!
Apparently I can download MP3s for background listening while I'm reading. Perhaps I'll start with The Congress, followed by Doctor Gilbert. I'll have the tunes subliminally committed to memory while you lot are still discussing the elusive tune.
For some odd reason, I've just remembered the Monty Python sketch about seeking out Jean Paul Sartre to ask him about the meaning of life...
ha, i just went through this while/after seeing the film last monday....stayed to the bitter end of the credits hoping for clues....the credits featured two separate musico lists, a first that was something like, "roumanian soloists," or "soloists," something like that. no familiar names. then at the tail end of the credits they ran the names of musical numbers or sequences which included a "Performed by:...." line entry....those went by really fast, but i did not see this.
the fiddle solo took place at the beginning of the fight/chase sequence during watson's bachelor party (different fiddling was heard along with roumanian ensemble playing later in the movie during the gypsy camp scenes and some other sequences)....the solo bit sounded to me like a version of the congress, or a combination of the congress and something else, perhaps played and "set" by a fiddler not of the irish tradition.....the A part was very familiar, but the B part did not go with the A part I know....great stuff anyway. the roumanian ensemble playing was very taraif des haiduks, which is always a good thing, a very, very, very good thing....
Sherlock Holmes
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Hey all
I am just home from the second Sherlock Holmes movie, quite entertaining if you like Guy Richie's style. Anyway, just like in the first one, he used a piece of irish trad in the movie. In the first it were the Dubliner's Rocky Road to Dublin, but in the second it was a reel, mainly played by a fiddle, backed by a bodhran. Unfortunately, they weren't telling us in the credits who the musicians were. Would anybody on this list have an idea?
Thanks
Rolf
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by rwagels
Re: Sherlock Holmes
One of Doc Watson's musicians?
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Ha, I just got back from the movie and was going to check to see if anyone had posted a thread like this one. Anyone have a name for the reel? The bootleg recording I made is sh*te, else I'd have a go at transcribing it myself.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Tall, Dark, and Mysterious
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Ha! The game is afoot!
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by John Galt
Re: Sherlock Holmes
I'd like to jump to the inevitable final posting of this mystery or who-dun-it when the tune and perpetrator is discovered and be the first to say. 'Elementry My Dear Watson'!
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by yhaalhouse
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Has the film got a website? You may find more info there. It really annoys me when I hear interesting music on a filmsound track and can't find the details - when even the accountant and the person who does refreshments get a mention!.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by c.g.
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Hey
problem is that the music isn't even featured on the sound track. So no chance there. All I have so far is this link:
http://www.lordoftherant.com/2011/12/violin-song-in-sherlock-holmes-2-game.html
Best
Rolf
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by rwagels
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Good one weeg!
How nice that they can ask on that link about a "violin song" and not get a load of abuse. Anyway, they seem to think it's the Congress Reel ..
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Bren
Re: Sherlock Holmes
... played by John & Barney ?
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Bren
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Is it this one ?
Congress Reel ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WegKdGGMoA
jim,,,
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Listening to my recording (which I can barely make out over the fight noises) again...the A part is a cousin of the Congress, but what little I can hear of the B part diverges. I'm almost sure it's a different tune. I like to think that I can identify tunes that I play on a regular basis, especially when they're being played in a 4-minute loop.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Tall, Dark, and Mysterious
Re: Sherlock Holmes
I seem to recall that "The Congress" reel was named after an event in 1932, a bit later than the days of Holmes and Watson.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Kenny
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street" was a bit later too - but it has some relevance!
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
On a slightly different note, the sweeping gypsy violin piece over the credits was lovely too.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by purplenolly
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Someone on Zimmer's site suggests that it is "Johnny Cope" - which does have similarities to the Congress Reel - maybe a variant of Planxty's version?
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4953
Anyway, only those who have watched the movie will have a clue.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
i was going to give this a miss, but as it is NOT in 3D and has tunes in it...hmm, may have to give it a try.
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by full measure
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Everything you wanted to know, but were afraid to ask...
http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/dvd/index.html
I doubt that you'll find the tune on this list, though
http://sherlock-holmes-movie.warnerbros.com/dvd/index.html#/soundtrack/
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by oldstrings
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Hey all
@oldstrings: Wrong movie, this is the first one.
The tune didn't sound familiar and I think I would have thought that I knew it if it was the Congress Reel or Johnny Cope. It was very well played, both fiddle and bodhran. The Congress Reel was composed around the Eucharistic Congress in Dublin, in 1932, but sure it could be used in the movie. It's background music for a fight, but no one is actually playing it in the movie.
The hunt continues...
Rolf
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by rwagels
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Well and good, oldstrings, but what about the one thing that those of us on this thread want to know, and were quite forthcoming about asking?
# Posted on December 29th 2011 by Tall, Dark, and Mysterious
Re: Sherlock Holmes
So Watson has an especially rough day of Christmas shopping, what with his bum leg and all, and returns to 221B Baker Street, and says to his roommate, "Boy am I glad to see you. After all, there's no face like Holmes for the holidays..."
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by AlBrown
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Well, don't ask any questions, but here is the tune - it isn't The Congress or Johnny Cope and it doesn't sound like The Dubliners.
http://www.box.com/s/x0gfhmamx5ucrqmplbcu
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Don't recognise it at all -it's certainly not "The Congress", nor is it "Johnny Cope", as Weejie" says above. Doesn't sound particularly Irish to me either. Can't help with this one, I'm afraid.
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Kenny
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Possibly a made up tune.
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Hey
sure, I guess it's written for the scene. No trad tune, not the Congress (although the very beginning is similar), and doesn't sound like the Dubliners to me either.
So the question remains: Who are the musicians?
Thanks for putting up the tune!!
Rolf
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by rwagels
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Definitely sounds like a few riffs put together for the scene, as you say.
Couldn't find any info on the session musicians (in the recording sense of the words) but came across an interesting little documentary regarding the Romanian musicians:
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/tv-film/hans-zimmer-uses-sherlock-holmes-soundtrack-1005650562.story
Reminded me of the times I visited Romania; many of the restaurants and cafes had fantastic muscians, educated at the conservatory of folk music. The cimbalom player in the clips is excellent but that seems to be the standard over there.
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Seems like it's Roma musicians from Slovakia. Perhaps some of them play diddley too!
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Right enough!
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by Conán McDonnell
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Well, the diddley was well played and so was the bodhran, it sounded authentic. That doesn't mean it has to be someone Irish who played it. I am surprised it isn't on the soundtrack and wasn't mentioned at all in the credits..
Rolf
# Posted on December 30th 2011 by rwagels
Re: Sherlock Holmes
if your're talking about the new movie that just came out at about 29 minutes. I've had a listen and the closest match I've come up with so far is Doctor Gilbert's. although the feel of the tune is differnent than I've heard it before. I'm also very drunk at this point and now there's highland bagpipes playing and I can't really concntrate right now. It is a nice tune though would love to learn whatever it is. tomorrow I'll try and confirm the Doctor Gilbert theory or sometime before tuesday. I'll let you know what I come up with
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
Re: Sherlock Holmes
it is definitely a tune I've played before but not one that is played in sessions in my area, unless it is the afore mentioned. I'm intrigued now
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Never mind all that, I've just purchased the complete works of Arthur Conan Doyle on my new Kindle for $0.99!
Apparently I can download MP3s for background listening while I'm reading. Perhaps I'll start with The Congress, followed by Doctor Gilbert. I'll have the tunes subliminally committed to memory while you lot are still discussing the elusive tune.
For some odd reason, I've just remembered the Monty Python sketch about seeking out Jean Paul Sartre to ask him about the meaning of life...
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by oldstrings
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Nevermind Doctor Gilbert. A quick search and I have found one with a very similar A part.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/2951
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
Re: Sherlock Holmes
hthis one with the same phrase ttp://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/10239
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
Re: Sherlock Holmes
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/4280
# Posted on December 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
Re: Sherlock Holmes
ha, i just went through this while/after seeing the film last monday....stayed to the bitter end of the credits hoping for clues....the credits featured two separate musico lists, a first that was something like, "roumanian soloists," or "soloists," something like that. no familiar names. then at the tail end of the credits they ran the names of musical numbers or sequences which included a "Performed by:...." line entry....those went by really fast, but i did not see this.
the fiddle solo took place at the beginning of the fight/chase sequence during watson's bachelor party (different fiddling was heard along with roumanian ensemble playing later in the movie during the gypsy camp scenes and some other sequences)....the solo bit sounded to me like a version of the congress, or a combination of the congress and something else, perhaps played and "set" by a fiddler not of the irish tradition.....the A part was very familiar, but the B part did not go with the A part I know....great stuff anyway. the roumanian ensemble playing was very taraif des haiduks, which is always a good thing, a very, very, very good thing....
# Posted on January 1st 2012 by ceemonster
Re: Sherlock Holmes
Nobody playing ITM on the telly version this evening.......
# Posted on January 2nd 2012 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Sherlock Holmes
I wonder was it the Punchbowl band, Guy Ritchie's house band at his pub?
# Posted on January 3rd 2012 by RockyRoader
Re: Sherlock Holmes
There was a joke about "Lemon entry dear Watson" , but we won't go there.
# Posted on January 7th 2012 by geoffwright