When somebody gives a tuning for a stringed instrument (no matter what) it always starts with the lowest string. Even on instruments where the "lowest" string might actually be tuned higher than the highest (f.e. the 5 string banjo). It
Jorg is correct it should be DADEAE going from low to high - drop the 6th string from an E to D drop the third string from G to E and drop the second string from B to A
A few basic chords to get you started:
D modal - at the 5th fret - fingers on 5th string and 3rd string
D major - same as above except finger on 4th string 4 fret
A modal - at the 7th fret - fingers on 6th string and 4th string
another A - at the 2nd fret - 4th string
G at the second fret - 2nd string and at the 3rd fret 1st and 3rd strings
G modal at the fifth fret 6th string and 4th string
Bm - at the second fret - fingers on 5th and 3rd strings
Em - bar lowest three strings at the 2nd fret
F#m at the 4th fret - 6th and 4th strings
Try it - it is really cool, allows playing all over the neck, minimal use of the capo - easy on the hand ........... if you would like - I have some chord charts I can email in MS WORD format.... rice-st@juno.com
See the alternative tuning discussion............
Steve
Nah, no flap - it is just fine - kind of like when you tune the 6th string down to a D from an E in dropped D or DADGAD
Give it a try!
There are chord diagrams in Paul DeGrae's book Irish Rhythm Guitar - but they cover various alternate tunings - I am working with a friend in trying to write a DADEAE primer - but it is a long way from being done.
Nice to hear someone actually tried DADEAE tuning - I am in the same boat with DADGAD having read of its virtues, I tried it on my own and felt like I could not control it. It was only after spending about 6 hrs with John Brennan of Philadelphia and watching him use DADEAE that I decided I wanted to really put the effort into learning this tuning. You may read about John at the following web site: http://www.philadelphiaceiligroup.org/festival/johnbrennan.html
It took me a long time to feel comfortable with the tuning, and I must admit that I play rhythm - backup almost exclusively, and I have to relearn the notes on the fretboard in order to play melody. Thus my interest in a discussion entitled "Tabledit" - I use that software........
Danny Flynn (the accordion player mentioned by John Brennan) is my cohort in crime in trying to get out an instruction book on DADEAE.
We are working on chord and run structures that can be implemented in ABC. I will let you know when we get a more substantial document and will let you guys try it out and criticize.
You both have been very helpful to this new cause.
Last night I tuned my (not so used guitar that I bought for my kids) to DADEAE. It was great. I even figured out a few chords (this was before I got your email Steve) You'd be proud Jorg.
The chords were D,G,C,A,E, ( I O U and sometimes Y ) I could not resist.
My first stringed instrument was a mountain dulcimer. This tuning puts me in mind of the DAD mixiolodian tuning of the MD. I even actually played a couple beginner dulcimer tunes on it. " Bile 'Em Cabbage" and "The Boatmen Song" I should fit right in with the dulcimer club meetings.
The chords you sent me were very helpful Steve. I even found a few other positions not on your chord chart.
With my basic music theory and a chord book I plan on making a chord chart up for this new tuning. Of course I could be going about this all wrong. Should I not focus on too much of finding a complete chord and keep it simple? If by focosing on the complete chord I ruin the whole intent of this tuning and the sound that it provides?
I am not ready to change my martin over this tuning. I use it too much in church services.
My concern is will I get confused changing back and forth. I have a friend who plays banjo, mandolin and guitar and sometimes she goofs up on a chord or two. Keeps ya on your toes Eh?
It looks like I have found a good reason to buy another guitar.
The one I have tuned to the DADEAE is ....Well... a student guitar.
And now that I have been playing around with this guitar my kids are showing an interest in playing again..(about time!)
And.....Well....I need to get a fret job on my Martin. What the Hay! Go for it!
Thanks again
ps. if this turns out to be a repeat I am sorry. I tried to reply once before and lost everything that I wrote. DARN! I hate it when that happens!
Yes, I use a tuner. ( I hope I have not lost your respect Jorg)
I also use light guage string on my guitar.
However I do value the gift of tuning by ear. If the piano's out , one has no other choice but to tune to the piano. It's good practice and one can develope an ear for it. When I am having off days....I use a tuner.
I have heard that not all tuners tune the same. That everyone in the group should tune to the same tuner or tune to the instument that tuned to that tuner first.... Have I done that? No. If we are still off...we adjust to each other.
I have not even attempted to try to figure out how to notate music in ABC format. It's like a new language to me. I have two other music programs that I still need to figure out. Musedit, which provided me with a book to read from and Tabledit, which provide you with a turoral. I wish it came with a book!
I learn best from trial and error. When get totally frustrated then I go to HELP.
One can spend a whole life time in front of this screen. Get one tremendous headache and still feel you have not figured it out.
I would much rather be practicing my guitar and whistle
No need to worry about losing respect. I use one myself. But usually I use it to give me a correct A, and I go on from there by ear. A tuner is quite handy in a band, because I don
Tabledit
Tabledit
This could be a very stupid question. Please be patient.
I recall some one mentioning about using Tabledit for alternate tunings for guitar.
I have been playing guitar for only 9 years now... so I am an extreme newbie to fingerstyles and alternate tunings.
I am interested in the DADEAE tuning. When changing the guitar tuning on the tabledit from standard guitar tuning should it go like this?
6th string-D, 5th string-A, 4th string-D, 3rd string-E, 2nd-A and 1st-E?
I have played around with it on the tabledit program both ways with the E being the 6th string and then going backwards. Which is the correct way?
What I like about tabledit is the fact that you can import abc formats to it and then create tabs from it.
Next thing I need to do is figure out the chords for this tuning.
I plan on checking out the books mentioned in the other threads.
Is there some place online I could get the chords for DADEAE tuning?
Laura
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by hillfolk
Re: Tabledit
Hi, Laura
When somebody gives a tuning for a stringed instrument (no matter what) it always starts with the lowest string. Even on instruments where the "lowest" string might actually be tuned higher than the highest (f.e. the 5 string banjo). It
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by Joerg Froese
Re: Tabledit
Laura,
Jorg is correct it should be DADEAE going from low to high - drop the 6th string from an E to D drop the third string from G to E and drop the second string from B to A
A few basic chords to get you started:
D modal - at the 5th fret - fingers on 5th string and 3rd string
D major - same as above except finger on 4th string 4 fret
A modal - at the 7th fret - fingers on 6th string and 4th string
another A - at the 2nd fret - 4th string
G at the second fret - 2nd string and at the 3rd fret 1st and 3rd strings
G modal at the fifth fret 6th string and 4th string
Bm - at the second fret - fingers on 5th and 3rd strings
Em - bar lowest three strings at the 2nd fret
F#m at the 4th fret - 6th and 4th strings
Try it - it is really cool, allows playing all over the neck, minimal use of the capo - easy on the hand ........... if you would like - I have some chord charts I can email in MS WORD format.... rice-st@juno.com
See the alternative tuning discussion............
Steve
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by Rice-st
3rd string
Won't the 3rd string go all floppy when it drops from G to E?
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by glauber
Re: Tabledit
Nah, no flap - it is just fine - kind of like when you tune the 6th string down to a D from an E in dropped D or DADGAD
Give it a try!
There are chord diagrams in Paul DeGrae's book Irish Rhythm Guitar - but they cover various alternate tunings - I am working with a friend in trying to write a DADEAE primer - but it is a long way from being done.
Steve
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by Rice-st
Re: Tabledit
THANKS
Jorg (sorry I can't find the little dots to go over the o )
It took me a couple of readings to figure out what you were writing, then the old music theory kicked in. Yes it makes a lot of sence.
Just need to make sure I count the frets right...in keeping with the half steps.
Although...., Steve's offer about the chord charts sounds tempting.
It will make the transition much easier.
Yeh, I know taking the easy way out. At least for now.
I sent you an email Steve.
Will you need to let us know when you get the DADEAE book done.
Jorg, did you try out the other tuning EAEDAD? How did it work out for you?
Laura
# Posted on January 15th 2002 by hillfolk
Re: EAEDAD
Hi Laura
Don
# Posted on January 16th 2002 by Joerg Froese
Re: Tabledit
Jorg ,
Nice to hear someone actually tried DADEAE tuning - I am in the same boat with DADGAD having read of its virtues, I tried it on my own and felt like I could not control it. It was only after spending about 6 hrs with John Brennan of Philadelphia and watching him use DADEAE that I decided I wanted to really put the effort into learning this tuning. You may read about John at the following web site: http://www.philadelphiaceiligroup.org/festival/johnbrennan.html
It took me a long time to feel comfortable with the tuning, and I must admit that I play rhythm - backup almost exclusively, and I have to relearn the notes on the fretboard in order to play melody. Thus my interest in a discussion entitled "Tabledit" - I use that software........
Danny Flynn (the accordion player mentioned by John Brennan) is my cohort in crime in trying to get out an instruction book on DADEAE.
We are working on chord and run structures that can be implemented in ABC. I will let you know when we get a more substantial document and will let you guys try it out and criticize.
Take Care,
Steve
# Posted on January 16th 2002 by Rice-st
Re: Tabledit
Steve and Jorg,
You both have been very helpful to this new cause.
Last night I tuned my (not so used guitar that I bought for my kids) to DADEAE. It was great. I even figured out a few chords (this was before I got your email Steve) You'd be proud Jorg.
The chords were D,G,C,A,E, ( I O U and sometimes Y ) I could not resist.
My first stringed instrument was a mountain dulcimer. This tuning puts me in mind of the DAD mixiolodian tuning of the MD. I even actually played a couple beginner dulcimer tunes on it. " Bile 'Em Cabbage" and "The Boatmen Song" I should fit right in with the dulcimer club meetings.
The chords you sent me were very helpful Steve. I even found a few other positions not on your chord chart.
With my basic music theory and a chord book I plan on making a chord chart up for this new tuning. Of course I could be going about this all wrong. Should I not focus on too much of finding a complete chord and keep it simple? If by focosing on the complete chord I ruin the whole intent of this tuning and the sound that it provides?
I am not ready to change my martin over this tuning. I use it too much in church services.
My concern is will I get confused changing back and forth. I have a friend who plays banjo, mandolin and guitar and sometimes she goofs up on a chord or two. Keeps ya on your toes Eh?
It looks like I have found a good reason to buy another guitar.
The one I have tuned to the DADEAE is ....Well... a student guitar.
And now that I have been playing around with this guitar my kids are showing an interest in playing again..(about time!)
And.....Well....I need to get a fret job on my Martin. What the Hay! Go for it!
Thanks again
ps. if this turns out to be a repeat I am sorry. I tried to reply once before and lost everything that I wrote. DARN! I hate it when that happens!
Laura
# Posted on January 16th 2002 by hillfolk
For those who use tabledit
I am having problems exporting notation over to abc2win program.
When I open it back up on the abc2win program the notation is all messed up.
The tune I was working on is in basic 4/4 time with quarter notes and eighth notes. The exported tune has dotted 1/4 notes and 1/8th notes.
Has any one else experienced this problem exporting tunes over?
# Posted on January 16th 2002 by hillfolk
Re: Tabledit
Hi Laura,
I
# Posted on January 17th 2002 by Joerg Froese
Re: Tabledit
Yes, I use a tuner. ( I hope I have not lost your respect Jorg)
I also use light guage string on my guitar.
However I do value the gift of tuning by ear. If the piano's out , one has no other choice but to tune to the piano. It's good practice and one can develope an ear for it. When I am having off days....I use a tuner.
I have heard that not all tuners tune the same. That everyone in the group should tune to the same tuner or tune to the instument that tuned to that tuner first.... Have I done that? No. If we are still off...we adjust to each other.
I have not even attempted to try to figure out how to notate music in ABC format. It's like a new language to me. I have two other music programs that I still need to figure out. Musedit, which provided me with a book to read from and Tabledit, which provide you with a turoral. I wish it came with a book!
I learn best from trial and error. When get totally frustrated then I go to HELP.
One can spend a whole life time in front of this screen. Get one tremendous headache and still feel you have not figured it out.
I would much rather be practicing my guitar and whistle
Laura
# Posted on January 19th 2002 by hillfolk
Re: Tabledit
Hi Sharron & Laura!
No need to worry about losing respect. I use one myself. But usually I use it to give me a correct A, and I go on from there by ear. A tuner is quite handy in a band, because I don
# Posted on January 19th 2002 by Joerg Froese