I am, of course, talking about playing the guitar. It is obviously a sin, but certainly of the moderate kind, one or two centuries in purgatory is all it will incur. Unlike playing the bodhran, which of course takes you straight to hell.
The issue is this: I play the fiddle, but used to play the guitar. . For me central to playing the fiddle is as loose a wrist as possible. But for the guitar i find that keeping it tight works. best. Particularly in jigs, i like the Arty McGlynn thing of hitting every note in the bar. I find I can't can't currently do this, and if I practise it affects my wrist action for the fiddle. Reels are not so much a problem, but if i play too much guitar i can't go back to the fiddle in the same session. It may well be that I have the wrong approach but would welcome comments from fiddle players/guitar players
sounds like you're 'keeping it tight' working on the guitar is freezing you up. I noticed that the better players tend to be really relaxed in the wrist. But I can't work out Arty McGlynn's style which for me is a venial (I coulda' swore it was venal) sin.
I don't know about McGlynn's style, I haven't ever listened that closely to what he's doing, but if you want a good guitar sound you might try doing more with the left hand, and not trying to pick each note that's played.
For a start, take a tune you're playing and see if you can manage to hit all of the unaccented notes as left-hand articulations, without the pick. You might have to re-configure your fingerings a little, and in the end there will be unaccented notes that you hit with the pick, but it's a worthwhile exercise to try to go all the way with it. It'll do nice things for your rhythm.
there's no rules
wristy or unwristy, pick every note or not, no style is 'correct'.
conventional classical guitar advice is to use the whole forearm, not the wrist (Just like in fly fishing), But then the classical neck is wide and flat, and no plectrum is used, whereas frequently in trad a steel strung, narrow, round backed neck is used, as is a plectrum
Excellent advice from Jon, back a few replies. I heartily endorse it.
Flat-pick guitar playing certainly can interfere with your bowing, but you can minimize the effect by minimizing the stress and stiffness in the picking wrist (and arm). There is also the possibility that you might be better off just avoiding the tougher tunes on the guitar.
I know how the fiddle tucks under your chin, but how do you get the guitar up there?
Actually, do you sit out a set or two between changing to let the blood flow and the muscles to relax?
As for Venial, with the new Latin translations in the Catholic Mass, Venial sins will now be referred to as Velcro sins.
Venial sins committed using the wrist
Venial sins committed using the wrist
I am, of course, talking about playing the guitar. It is obviously a sin, but certainly of the moderate kind, one or two centuries in purgatory is all it will incur. Unlike playing the bodhran, which of course takes you straight to hell.
The issue is this: I play the fiddle, but used to play the guitar. . For me central to playing the fiddle is as loose a wrist as possible. But for the guitar i find that keeping it tight works. best. Particularly in jigs, i like the Arty McGlynn thing of hitting every note in the bar. I find I can't can't currently do this, and if I practise it affects my wrist action for the fiddle. Reels are not so much a problem, but if i play too much guitar i can't go back to the fiddle in the same session. It may well be that I have the wrong approach but would welcome comments from fiddle players/guitar players
# Posted on November 26th 2011 by Breifne
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
sounds like you're 'keeping it tight' working on the guitar is freezing you up. I noticed that the better players tend to be really relaxed in the wrist. But I can't work out Arty McGlynn's style which for me is a venial (I coulda' swore it was venal) sin.
# Posted on November 26th 2011 by mickyfong
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
I don't know about McGlynn's style, I haven't ever listened that closely to what he's doing, but if you want a good guitar sound you might try doing more with the left hand, and not trying to pick each note that's played.
For a start, take a tune you're playing and see if you can manage to hit all of the unaccented notes as left-hand articulations, without the pick. You might have to re-configure your fingerings a little, and in the end there will be unaccented notes that you hit with the pick, but it's a worthwhile exercise to try to go all the way with it. It'll do nice things for your rhythm.
# Posted on November 26th 2011 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
Venial (forgivable) sins
Venal (corruptle) politicians
Simple innit
# Posted on November 26th 2011 by stoneboy2
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
"corruptible"
not so simple after all
# Posted on November 26th 2011 by stoneboy2
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
there's no rules
wristy or unwristy, pick every note or not, no style is 'correct'.
conventional classical guitar advice is to use the whole forearm, not the wrist (Just like in fly fishing), But then the classical neck is wide and flat, and no plectrum is used, whereas frequently in trad a steel strung, narrow, round backed neck is used, as is a plectrum
# Posted on November 27th 2011 by harmonic miner
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
I might have committed a few venereal sins. I'm not sure. Is there a priest around here?
# Posted on November 27th 2011 by Steve Shaw
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
Excellent advice from Jon, back a few replies. I heartily endorse it.
Flat-pick guitar playing certainly can interfere with your bowing, but you can minimize the effect by minimizing the stress and stiffness in the picking wrist (and arm). There is also the possibility that you might be better off just avoiding the tougher tunes on the guitar.
# Posted on November 28th 2011 by Bob himself
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
I know how the fiddle tucks under your chin, but how do you get the guitar up there?
Actually, do you sit out a set or two between changing to let the blood flow and the muscles to relax?
As for Venial, with the new Latin translations in the Catholic Mass, Venial sins will now be referred to as Velcro sins.
# Posted on November 28th 2011 by MorganYYZ
Re: Venial sins committed using the wrist
That will never stick.
# Posted on November 29th 2011 by Steve Shaw