Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Before we get into this whole debate on the "Celtic" thing, I am pretty sure we all know s/he is talking about Irish(/maybe Scottish)music. Do you guys really want to waste your time making other people feel bad for something they said?
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Is that right? I always thought "Celtic" music was the stuff with the traditional synthesizers and the low whistles and the slow-motion hair. "Feet of Flame" and that sort of thing. (I think they have a cream for that now)
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
>I just find the Australian and English dance set tunes are very boring. There's probably a reason for that.
Just keep your ears open and listen to good players who put some 'lift' into their tunes and maybe you'll broaden your musical preferences over time. I've just been reading this article which gives some historical context to traditional dance music in colonial Australia:
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
As a not-short, fair haired, blue-eyed son of the West Midlands of England I probably have more Celtic blood than most Irish people.
Or maybe it's not a genetic thing? "Celtic is as Celtic believes" is probably a fitting motto.
The word is a waste of time.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Babs:
I agree with what Dogbox posted above:
"Just keep your ears open and listen to good players who put some 'lift' into their tunes and maybe you'll broaden your musical preferences over time."
Good music and good dancers are the key. If all I ever saw of irish dancing was the stereotypical competetive dancing (stiff body, straight arms, pursed lips, thousand-mile stare, etc.)
I probably would still be a rocker.
But the first time i went to a ceili with a live band I was in great good luck. I still remember thinking "this is what it is all about". Great music, experienced dancers, and amazing infectious energy.
Fun!!
I see no reason for any difference, other than the style and genre, in a nice wild-and-crazy dusting of the floor Down-Under. Everywhere I have been, I find dancing and the music that goes with it. It just has a different beat.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I'm sure Australian tunes will be on a par with Celtic tunes once 'Billabongdance' hits the stage.(weejie)
Not forgetting 'The Pub with no Beer' by Slim Dusty and 'Tie me Kangaroo Down' by Rolf Harris
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
One of the greatest strengths of what we loosely term Traditional Irish Music is that the greatest exponents of it (from whenever) have never given a damn where the tunes they like to play come from.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
So, why are you telling us this? It's like going in to some random store or something and saying "hi, my name's Bob, I like cheese, but I don't like peas or pinto beans." No offense to those who do.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"Not forgetting 'The Pub with no Beer' by Slim Dusty and 'Tie me Kangaroo Down' by Rolf Harris"
Or 'Morningtown Ride' by The Seekers.....
But once Bruce Flatley hits the stage with all those blokes and sheilas kicking their legs to the sound of the didge and lagerphone in 'Billabongdance', life will never be the same.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I am deeply offended weegie.
It's such a shame with the incredible variety of Australian wine (not really seen in the export market, so don't start ...) that strict local food laws don't allow much variety in cheese. Not a lot of people know (or care) that Gordon Parsons gave PwNB to Slim Dusty as a B side cos he just thought if it as a knock-off "novelty" song (which it was) that wouldn't go far?
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Well, they all play Marngrook down there now. Allegedly.
Gorri:
Gorri, Wungoolay
"A game in which Aboriginal boys and men throw or roll a round object (a drum or bodhran) along a line at a moving target. Players are required to try and strike the moving object with spears from a distance of about 15m to score points for their team"
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Strange isn't it. If anybody comes here and refers to a tune as a song they quickly get jumped on and told the difference. Now the topic is Australian tunes but the only examples given are songs.
There are any number of Aussie tunes, a friend has spent many years collecting them for the national library, but do you think I can find a link to any examples.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Australian dance boring? Clearly you've never been in the pit with some old Midnight Oil, or air-guitared across a bar room floor to an Angus Young solo, or bump-n-grinded to some Kylie Minogue.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
@ Babs - thanks for that link, that's a useful site that I hadn't seen before. I can't find the tunes that I had in mind though.
@ Weejie - thanks, Mudgee was one that I was thinking of. A few others are Marulan, Squeaky Wheel, Lame Magpie and Freckled Duck. Then here are heaps of others such as Harry's favourite, Herb's, Jacko's - all names that probably indicate who the tune was learned from.
Of course whether or not the OP might like them we don't know as the explanation of "why I prefer....etc" seems to be missing. However my point was that "Celtic" tunes were being compared with Aussie songs - apples and oranges.
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
try looking at these if you're genuinely interested: http://www.wongawillicolonialdance.org.au/page/FREESHEETMUSIC/
Old-time Australian fiddlers I have heard, I mean guys that were old in the 1970s, had a fairly plain style, certainly not the level of artistry you hear on Irish and Scottish recordings, and I don't know of any who had any kind of renown or regard beyond their local area. They tended to play a lot more waltzes, "varsovianas" and German-type polkas than modern trad musicians would play.
I used to wonder what tunes Dave Regan (if his concertina had worked) or Johnny Mears the fiddler would have played in this story by Henry Lawson (use a pop-up blocker): http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/13019/
Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I just find the Australian and English dance set tunes are very boring. There's probably a reason for that.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Deaf Frets
So, who are these celts?
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Batgirl has left the GPL ;)
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Before we get into this whole debate on the "Celtic" thing, I am pretty sure we all know s/he is talking about Irish(/maybe Scottish)music. Do you guys really want to waste your time making other people feel bad for something they said?
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by pipersgrip
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Is that right? I always thought "Celtic" music was the stuff with the traditional synthesizers and the low whistles and the slow-motion hair. "Feet of Flame" and that sort of thing. (I think they have a cream for that now)
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
>I just find the Australian and English dance set tunes are very boring. There's probably a reason for that.
Just keep your ears open and listen to good players who put some 'lift' into their tunes and maybe you'll broaden your musical preferences over time. I've just been reading this article which gives some historical context to traditional dance music in colonial Australia:
http://www.australian-heritage-dance.com/ellis.html
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by dogbox
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I was "pretty sure" this was a wind up but maybe not....
However, I should say that there's a lot of similarity between tunes from some parts of England(even beyond) and those of Scotland and Ireland.
"Celts" whatever they are not restricted to Ireland or Scotland either.... even if this was a relevant factor anyhow!
You can even get Americelts.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Johnny Jay
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
As a not-short, fair haired, blue-eyed son of the West Midlands of England I probably have more Celtic blood than most Irish people.
Or maybe it's not a genetic thing? "Celtic is as Celtic believes" is probably a fitting motto.
The word is a waste of time.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Alex Wilding
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I'm sure Australian tunes will be on a par with Celtic tunes once 'Billabongdance' hits the stage.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Haha that sounds interesting, Weejie!!
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Mattias Holm
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Babs:
I agree with what Dogbox posted above:
"Just keep your ears open and listen to good players who put some 'lift' into their tunes and maybe you'll broaden your musical preferences over time."
Good music and good dancers are the key. If all I ever saw of irish dancing was the stereotypical competetive dancing (stiff body, straight arms, pursed lips, thousand-mile stare, etc.)
I probably would still be a rocker.
But the first time i went to a ceili with a live band I was in great good luck. I still remember thinking "this is what it is all about". Great music, experienced dancers, and amazing infectious energy.
Fun!!
I see no reason for any difference, other than the style and genre, in a nice wild-and-crazy dusting of the floor Down-Under. Everywhere I have been, I find dancing and the music that goes with it. It just has a different beat.
IMHO - Hang in there, give it another try.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Piece
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I'm sure Australian tunes will be on a par with Celtic tunes once 'Billabongdance' hits the stage.(weejie)
Not forgetting 'The Pub with no Beer' by Slim Dusty and 'Tie me Kangaroo Down' by Rolf Harris
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by Free Reed
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
One of the greatest strengths of what we loosely term Traditional Irish Music is that the greatest exponents of it (from whenever) have never given a damn where the tunes they like to play come from.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by ...
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
No such thing as dull music, just dull players...
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by AlBrown
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
So, why are you telling us this? It's like going in to some random store or something and saying "hi, my name's Bob, I like cheese, but I don't like peas or pinto beans." No offense to those who do.
# Posted on November 13th 2011 by an fidleir
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"Not forgetting 'The Pub with no Beer' by Slim Dusty and 'Tie me Kangaroo Down' by Rolf Harris"
Or 'Morningtown Ride' by The Seekers.....
But once Bruce Flatley hits the stage with all those blokes and sheilas kicking their legs to the sound of the didge and lagerphone in 'Billabongdance', life will never be the same.
BTW, do they roll Gippsland blue in Australia?
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I am deeply offended weegie.
It's such a shame with the incredible variety of Australian wine (not really seen in the export market, so don't start ...) that strict local food laws don't allow much variety in cheese. Not a lot of people know (or care) that Gordon Parsons gave PwNB to Slim Dusty as a B side cos he just thought if it as a knock-off "novelty" song (which it was) that wouldn't go far?
Anyway, no cheese-rolling, but they do have Trugo:
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~vtrugo/semi_finals.jpg
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Bren
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"Anyway, no cheese-rolling, but they do have Trugo"
The old game of 'gorri' looks more interesting.
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"I am deeply offended weegie."
Then the stereotyping might have been as obvious as it was meant to be.
I can't say I cared a lot for Slim Dusty's stuff (some of his songs could be taken as offensive too) - but Mr Harris rocks.
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Well, they all play Marngrook down there now. Allegedly.
Gorri:
Gorri, Wungoolay
"A game in which Aboriginal boys and men throw or roll a round object (a drum or bodhran) along a line at a moving target. Players are required to try and strike the moving object with spears from a distance of about 15m to score points for their team"
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Bren
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I'd be deeply offended if anybody called me a c**t.
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Dragut Reis
I prefer C**tic tunes to Australian or English
As in ^ ^ ?
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Batgirl has left the GPL ;)
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk5XdLZGzPA
vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLrJa-fKIvw
vs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKjrmOBIKIU
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Batgirl has left the GPL ;)
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
I bet they have rules about playing that game when the bodhran is in use, huh?
Spoilsports.
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
After watching that Redgum clip I can understand why Cooney moved to Ireland .........
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Weejie
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Yep. Filthy four-letter word...
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Dragut Reis
'My Boomerang Won't Come Back'
Is 'My Boomerang Won't Come Back' by Charlie Drake an Austraalian tune?
'I'm a big disgrace to the Aboriginal race, my boomerang won't come back...'
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by yhaalhouse
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"Is 'My Boomerang Won't Come Back' by Charlie Drake an Austraalian tune?"
Lament, isn't it?
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
"Here's one me mate Curly wrote": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdYGhnQdiM
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by RichardB
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Then there is that 'Hey Santa...' Kevin Bloody Wilson: that's an Australian tune...
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by yhaalhouse
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Here's another
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D-LmRNdQiQ
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by Johnny Jay
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Waltzing Matilda - The Musical
# Posted on November 14th 2011 by MorganYYZ
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Strange isn't it. If anybody comes here and refers to a tune as a song they quickly get jumped on and told the difference. Now the topic is Australian tunes but the only examples given are songs.
There are any number of Aussie tunes, a friend has spent many years collecting them for the national library, but do you think I can find a link to any examples.
# Posted on November 15th 2011 by All Moldy
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
http://www.musicaustralia.org/
# Posted on November 15th 2011 by Batgirl has left the GPL ;)
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
There are some on here - at least one, anyway:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/11332
# Posted on November 15th 2011 by Weejie
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Australian dance boring? Clearly you've never been in the pit with some old Midnight Oil, or air-guitared across a bar room floor to an Angus Young solo, or bump-n-grinded to some Kylie Minogue.
# Posted on November 15th 2011 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
@ Babs - thanks for that link, that's a useful site that I hadn't seen before. I can't find the tunes that I had in mind though.
@ Weejie - thanks, Mudgee was one that I was thinking of. A few others are Marulan, Squeaky Wheel, Lame Magpie and Freckled Duck. Then here are heaps of others such as Harry's favourite, Herb's, Jacko's - all names that probably indicate who the tune was learned from.
Of course whether or not the OP might like them we don't know as the explanation of "why I prefer....etc" seems to be missing. However my point was that "Celtic" tunes were being compared with Aussie songs - apples and oranges.
# Posted on November 16th 2011 by All Moldy
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
try looking at these if you're genuinely interested:
http://www.wongawillicolonialdance.org.au/page/FREESHEETMUSIC/
Old-time Australian fiddlers I have heard, I mean guys that were old in the 1970s, had a fairly plain style, certainly not the level of artistry you hear on Irish and Scottish recordings, and I don't know of any who had any kind of renown or regard beyond their local area. They tended to play a lot more waltzes, "varsovianas" and German-type polkas than modern trad musicians would play.
I used to wonder what tunes Dave Regan (if his concertina had worked) or Johnny Mears the fiddler would have played in this story by Henry Lawson (use a pop-up blocker):
http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/13019/
# Posted on November 17th 2011 by Bren
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Some interesting history and photos in these extracts:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JKZO1aevsiIC&lpg=PA130&dq=%22bush%20dance%20%22concertina&pg=PA136#v=onepage&q=%22bush%20dance%20%22concertina&f=false
# Posted on November 17th 2011 by Bren
Re: Why I prefer Celtic tunes to Australian or English
Great stuff. Thank you Bren!
# Posted on November 17th 2011 by All Moldy