I first heard Frankie Kennedy of Altan and Andy Dickson playing it in a Miltown Malbay session many years ago..
They even stopped after it to discuss the wee pause/stop in the second part..
Sorry Wave file ... Unknown Reel.wav
The Daisy Field is the name I'd know it under. Michael Coleman recorded it didn't he?
First O'Rourke's, then into that one. Those two are pretty much played together that way, around here anyway, played dozens of times with Jackie Daly for the sets.
Prof,,
Its stars in 1st part like that,, Reel you said..
X:538
T:The daisy field
R:Reel
C:anon.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 538
O:Ireland
M: C
L: 1/8
K: D
(AG)|
FGAF DEFD|E(A,{B,}A,G,) A,2(AG)|FGAF DEFG|(3(fga) ec dBAG|
FGAF DEFD|E(A,{B,}A,G,) E(A,{B,}A,G,)|FGAF DEFA|faec d2 H ||
(ag)|fd({e}d)c (Mdcd).f|edcd efge|fd({e}d)c dfaf|ec (3(ABc) d2(ag)|fd({e}
d)c dfaf|edcd efge|fdef gbag|(3(fga) (ec) dBAG ||
Wee use to play...
' O'Rourke's, and the Wild Irishman '
( Old version not the piping one ) same Reel as your's.
But I hope I send in the right Mp3 link, if you listen 2nd part is different - with a pause in it.
But in your defence Prof - lol. I was on the phone to Leslie Craig the night ( Composer of Road to Ballymac ) after hearing he said much the same as you, or it was lifted wrong or another version of, Old Wild Irish man -- Or as he put it '' Failing that, it was just a load of S**te '' - lol...
But version or not I have heard it played that way esp something like that 2nd part a few time's.. And this way of that Reel has origin's has pi**ed me off for Twenty more years now ha ! ha !
I heard the Belfast players, including Frankie, playing that in 1982. It's not the "Daisy Fields/Wild Irishman". I think it may have come to them from Tommy Peoples, and may have originally been Scottish. I'm sure I had a name for it at one time, but will need to do a bit of research. I'll get back to you later, Jim.
Did you try an "ABC" advanced search on fragments of the tune here ? I did used to play this tune, but haven't heard it for years.
It still gets aired occasionally, Jim! I think it became fairly well known after that "private" Tommy Peoples recording got circulated in the 70's. He played it then in D, tailor made for Donegal style allowing a D drone on the bottom string in the first bar.
When I was on facebook I use to ask Siobhan Peoples about here fathers tunes, Any one with her as a friend there,, Tell her I sent you... She probably laugh like all my other stupid idea's - lol. But if I can get the right way of this tune I always wanted to play it out, but was always afraid to, because I thought I'd picked it up wrong from just memory.
oop's Kenny-
I have just listened to a midi from you link,
"Geordie Affleck" - which sounds pretty Scottish to me. I think it was written in the key of "F". http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1952
This dose sound to me the right source of this tune, Frankie/Andy played some different notes, and in G major ?
But this dose sound like the Real McCoy
Thank-you man...
jim,,,
Got It - Guy's ! ' The Fiddler's Companion '
jim,,,
EAMONN COYNE'S. AKA and see "Geordie Affleck." Irish, Reel. Caoimhin Mac Aoidh identifies this tune as one that Francie Dearg & Mickey Ban O Beirn played in the key of D Major and John Doherty and Danny O'Donnell played in A Major, called "The Mint in the Corn." Tommy Peoples also plays the tune in D Major, learned from older Donegal musicians. It is a version, Mac Aoidh explains, of the Scottish reel "Geordie Affleck." Breathnach (CRE II), No. 191 (appears as "gan ainm/untitled").
T: Eamonn Coyne's
M:4/4
L:1/8
R:reel
Z:Barney
K:G
Bc dB GA BG|AD (3DDD cA FA|Bc dB GA BG|AD EF G3A|
Bc dB GA BG|AD (3DDD AD (3DDD|Bc dB GA BG|AD EF G3A||
BG Bd gf ed|cA ce ag fe|fg af de fd|ed ^ce d2 ef|
gf ed ef a2-|ag fe dc BA|Bc dB GA BG| AD FA G4:||
GEORDIE AFFLECK. AKA and see "Eamonn Coynes," "The Mint in the Corn." Scottish, Reel. E Flat Major. Standard. AAB. The tune is known among older fiddlers in County Donegal, Ireland, as "The Mint in the Corn" played variously in the key of D Major (Francie Dearg & Mickey ban O Beirn) or A Major (John Doherty & Danny O'Donnell). Hunter (Fiddle Music of Scotland), 1988; No. 276. Olympic 6151, Angus Cameron - "Scottish Traditional Fiddle Music" (1978).
MINT IN THE CORN, THE. AKA and see "Eammon Coynes," "Geordie Affleck." Irish, Reel. Ireland, County Donegal. The reel is the Scottish "Geordie Affleck," originally set in E Flat Major. Donegal fiddlers play it in both D Major (Francie Dearg & Mickey ban O Beirn) and A Major (John Doherty & Danny O'Donnell). Tommy Peoples plays it in D Major, learned from older Donegal fiddlers. It has also been recorded as "Eamonn Coynes" in Ireland.
jim, fyi i just found this reel on michael clarkson's first album ' the far set' ( thanks kenny..!)
he recorded it as set with the scowling wife and called it just ' reel in G'
it sounded it so familiar to me and when i take look at my transcriptions i found it ......
marin
FIDDLE4 - look at my comments in the tune page. It was a couple of other things before it was "Geordie Affleck" and it's about a century older than Andrew Kuntz thinks.
Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Dose anyone here know about this reel -
I first heard Frankie Kennedy of Altan and Andy Dickson playing it in a Miltown Malbay session many years ago..
They even stopped after it to discuss the wee pause/stop in the second part..
Sorry Wave file ... Unknown Reel.wav
http://www.mediafire.com/?i4jpcwvpzvm3o91
It first start's like a reel I know called The old Wild Irishman,, sometime called Irish Girl or The cat on the roof -
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/844#
Love to find out its origin.
jim,,,
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
The Daisy Field is the name I'd know it under. Michael Coleman recorded it didn't he?
First O'Rourke's, then into that one. Those two are pretty much played together that way, around here anyway, played dozens of times with Jackie Daly for the sets.
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Earliest publication is in O'Neill's, the good captain credits John McFadden as his source.
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Prof,,
Its stars in 1st part like that,, Reel you said..
X:538
T:The daisy field
R:Reel
C:anon.
B:Francis O'Neill: "The Dance Music of Ireland" (1907) no. 538
O:Ireland
M: C
L: 1/8
K: D
(AG)|
FGAF DEFD|E(A,{B,}A,G,) A,2(AG)|FGAF DEFG|(3(fga) ec dBAG|
FGAF DEFD|E(A,{B,}A,G,) E(A,{B,}A,G,)|FGAF DEFA|faec d2 H ||
(ag)|fd({e}d)c (Mdcd).f|edcd efge|fd({e}d)c dfaf|ec (3(ABc) d2(ag)|fd({e}
d)c dfaf|edcd efge|fdef gbag|(3(fga) (ec) dBAG ||
Wee use to play...
' O'Rourke's, and the Wild Irishman '
( Old version not the piping one ) same Reel as your's.
But I hope I send in the right Mp3 link, if you listen 2nd part is different - with a pause in it.
But in your defence Prof - lol. I was on the phone to Leslie Craig the night ( Composer of Road to Ballymac ) after hearing he said much the same as you, or it was lifted wrong or another version of, Old Wild Irish man -- Or as he put it '' Failing that, it was just a load of S**te '' - lol...
But version or not I have heard it played that way esp something like that 2nd part a few time's.. And this way of that Reel has origin's has pi**ed me off for Twenty more years now ha ! ha !
But I struggle on : )
jim,,,
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Sorry, I misread, I looked at the notation and thought that was the tune you were looking for. I might have a listen to the wav tomorrow.
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
No worries Prof -
Maybe auld Leslie's right in his last statement -- lol..
jim,,,
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
It's quite distinct from either of the tunes known as the Daisy Field.
# Posted on October 10th 2011 by Dragut Reis
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
I heard the Belfast players, including Frankie, playing that in 1982. It's not the "Daisy Fields/Wild Irishman". I think it may have come to them from Tommy Peoples, and may have originally been Scottish. I'm sure I had a name for it at one time, but will need to do a bit of research. I'll get back to you later, Jim.
Did you try an "ABC" advanced search on fragments of the tune here ? I did used to play this tune, but haven't heard it for years.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Kenny
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
"Geordie Affleck" - which sounds pretty Scottish to me. I think it was written in the key of "F".
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1952
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Kenny
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Read the comments - Niall Kenny says the original key was Eb.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Kenny
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
I added another comment about it, taking it back to 18th century Scotland. Or possibly England, if the title means anything.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Jack Campin
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
It still gets aired occasionally, Jim! I think it became fairly well known after that "private" Tommy Peoples recording got circulated in the 70's. He played it then in D, tailor made for Donegal style allowing a D drone on the bottom string in the first bar.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Jerry O'Donnell
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Well Thank-You, ' ALL ' on here for this...
When I was on facebook I use to ask Siobhan Peoples about here fathers tunes, Any one with her as a friend there,, Tell her I sent you... She probably laugh like all my other stupid idea's - lol. But if I can get the right way of this tune I always wanted to play it out, but was always afraid to, because I thought I'd picked it up wrong from just memory.
Thanks again - jim,,,
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
oop's Kenny-
I have just listened to a midi from you link,
"Geordie Affleck" - which sounds pretty Scottish to me. I think it was written in the key of "F".
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1952
This dose sound to me the right source of this tune, Frankie/Andy played some different notes, and in G major ?
But this dose sound like the Real McCoy
Thank-you man...
jim,,,
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Got It - Guy's ! ' The Fiddler's Companion '
jim,,,
EAMONN COYNE'S. AKA and see "Geordie Affleck." Irish, Reel. Caoimhin Mac Aoidh identifies this tune as one that Francie Dearg & Mickey Ban O Beirn played in the key of D Major and John Doherty and Danny O'Donnell played in A Major, called "The Mint in the Corn." Tommy Peoples also plays the tune in D Major, learned from older Donegal musicians. It is a version, Mac Aoidh explains, of the Scottish reel "Geordie Affleck." Breathnach (CRE II), No. 191 (appears as "gan ainm/untitled").
T: Eamonn Coyne's
M:4/4
L:1/8
R:reel
Z:Barney
K:G
Bc dB GA BG|AD (3DDD cA FA|Bc dB GA BG|AD EF G3A|
Bc dB GA BG|AD (3DDD AD (3DDD|Bc dB GA BG|AD EF G3A||
BG Bd gf ed|cA ce ag fe|fg af de fd|ed ^ce d2 ef|
gf ed ef a2-|ag fe dc BA|Bc dB GA BG| AD FA G4:||
GEORDIE AFFLECK. AKA and see "Eamonn Coynes," "The Mint in the Corn." Scottish, Reel. E Flat Major. Standard. AAB. The tune is known among older fiddlers in County Donegal, Ireland, as "The Mint in the Corn" played variously in the key of D Major (Francie Dearg & Mickey ban O Beirn) or A Major (John Doherty & Danny O'Donnell). Hunter (Fiddle Music of Scotland), 1988; No. 276. Olympic 6151, Angus Cameron - "Scottish Traditional Fiddle Music" (1978).
MINT IN THE CORN, THE. AKA and see "Eammon Coynes," "Geordie Affleck." Irish, Reel. Ireland, County Donegal. The reel is the Scottish "Geordie Affleck," originally set in E Flat Major. Donegal fiddlers play it in both D Major (Francie Dearg & Mickey ban O Beirn) and A Major (John Doherty & Danny O'Donnell). Tommy Peoples plays it in D Major, learned from older Donegal fiddlers. It has also been recorded as "Eamonn Coynes" in Ireland.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
jim, fyi i just found this reel on michael clarkson's first album ' the far set' ( thanks kenny..!)
he recorded it as set with the scowling wife and called it just ' reel in G'
it sounded it so familiar to me and when i take look at my transcriptions i found it ......
marin
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by maracirac
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
Oh - Must check that out maracirac,,
But I have just put this video into Youtube playing the second part something like the two, both Andy and Frankie Discussed.
* Read info,,,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbIobKcHANU&feature=channel_video_title
Many thank's again here !
jim,,,
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by FIDDLE4
Re: Dose anyone here know about this reel -
FIDDLE4 - look at my comments in the tune page. It was a couple of other things before it was "Geordie Affleck" and it's about a century older than Andrew Kuntz thinks.
# Posted on October 11th 2011 by Jack Campin