O'Neill's Music of Ireland was first publised in 1903.
The Dance Music of Ireland was first publised in 1907.
That's more than a century from now. That's not covered by Mickey Mouse Protection Act, so these books should be in public domain for many years by now in any country of the world.
However, if you try to google them, you'll find midis, abcs and pdfs (generated from abcs) of the tunes from these books for free, and facsimile reprints of these books for sale. But where are the books themselves? They're not available for free neither at Google Books, not at OpenLibrary.org and other websites of that sort. I couldn't find a scanned copies anywhere else on the web too.
What's wrong? Is that me (like, everyone are fine with the abcs and no one bothers about the scans of a real book), or the copyright laws, or what?
What are you bothered about here? Is it that you don't get the introductions? Other than that, all the tunes, as you say, in the order they are in in the original collections, are already online. There's even the indices to go with them. I'm puzzled as to where the problem lies ... ?
If the facsimile editions aren't close enough to the original for you, there's always the antiquarian booktrade.
During the eighties I let a perfect, signed, first edition of Minstrels and Musicians for £60 sit in Kenny's bookshop in Galway. Couldn't afford it. And I remember two shelves of copies of both IMM and IM : AFH in the Norwood edition sitting outside a shop in Hay on Wye, for a fiver a copy. .. Anyway, carry on..
I remember downloading a copy of Selena O'Neill's book from Google books at some point, that was interesting as you aren't very likely to come across that any time soon otherwise.
Here's an opportunity for someone to scan the original O'Neill and place it on the IMSLP website. The scanned George Petrie collection is already on IMSLP, so we have a precedent.
O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
O'Neill's Music of Ireland was first publised in 1903.
The Dance Music of Ireland was first publised in 1907.
That's more than a century from now. That's not covered by Mickey Mouse Protection Act, so these books should be in public domain for many years by now in any country of the world.
However, if you try to google them, you'll find midis, abcs and pdfs (generated from abcs) of the tunes from these books for free, and facsimile reprints of these books for sale. But where are the books themselves? They're not available for free neither at Google Books, not at OpenLibrary.org and other websites of that sort. I couldn't find a scanned copies anywhere else on the web too.
What's wrong? Is that me (like, everyone are fine with the abcs and no one bothers about the scans of a real book), or the copyright laws, or what?
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by breqwas
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
What are you bothered about here? Is it that you don't get the introductions? Other than that, all the tunes, as you say, in the order they are in in the original collections, are already online. There's even the indices to go with them. I'm puzzled as to where the problem lies ... ?
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by ethical blend
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
If the facsimile editions aren't close enough to the original for you, there's always the antiquarian booktrade.
During the eighties I let a perfect, signed, first edition of Minstrels and Musicians for £60 sit in Kenny's bookshop in Galway. Couldn't afford it. And I remember two shelves of copies of both IMM and IM : AFH in the Norwood edition sitting outside a shop in Hay on Wye, for a fiver a copy. .. Anyway, carry on..
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
I have a well -thumbed copy of this http://www.amazon.co.uk/ONeills-Music-Ireland-Eighteen-Hornpipes/dp/0786624981/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315129324&sr=8-1
It was balanced on the duvet this very morning as I was gently starting the day with a few tunes on the tenor guitar. Why not buy a copy? Under £20 for 349 pages of pure joy.
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by RichardB
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
I remember downloading a copy of Selena O'Neill's book from Google books at some point, that was interesting as you aren't very likely to come across that any time soon otherwise.
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
You'll find scanned originals of both books in the Na Píobairí Uilleann online library.
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by Weejie
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
Here's an opportunity for someone to scan the original O'Neill and place it on the IMSLP website. The scanned George Petrie collection is already on IMSLP, so we have a precedent.
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by Trevor Jennings
Re: O'Neill's 1850 & 1001: public domain or not?
http://www.pipers.ie/NPUPublic/PageList.aspx?periodicalID=18&volumeId=1&issueId=1
http://www.pipers.ie/NPUPublic/PageList.aspx?periodicalID=22&volumeId=1&issueId=1
Thank you, Weejie.
# Posted on September 4th 2011 by breqwas