nice accordion playing,
The piano player played some very VERY strange chords, NOT AS BAD but almost almost in the class of some of Michael Colemans piano players. He deserved to win the all ireland putting up with those bizarre chords
Right at the very beginning when the bloke in shirtsleeves (Pat Burton) is getting the trophy, it rather looks like the old geezer with the jacket & medal squares up to kiss him but there is a sudden cut away to the music.
I'm sorry but I am not familiar who he is.
If you look at 1.30 into the clip, you'll see that the keyboard is placed on top of two tables, our man on the keyboard must have sat at the wrong table....
Well the pianist is using E Minor chords throughout but the very first note( excluding the anacrusis bar) is a G# and G# occurs quite often, so the "correct" chord would be an E Major. The tune sounds like it's in E Mixolydian(3 sharps). I met Pat on my last trip to Ireland in 2007 at The Fleadh Cheoil at Mike Searson's Cairdin accordeon display and this clip does not do his playing justice. E Mixolydian is not a common key and perhaps the pianist would perform better with something more familiar. If you listen to his timing it's spot on, just the wrong tonic chord I think, but it does ruin the performance.
The tune is, as Tony O'Rourke has already said, in E mixolydian. This shares the same key signature as A maj, 3 sharps, and may be why Pat Barton thinks its in A.
The pianist playing E minor chords where they should be E major is a common mistake amongst some backers who don't understand mixolydian tunes. They can hear it's not a straightforward major tune, and just assume it's minor. I Can't understand why they don't hear how it clashes, and it drives me mad trying to play a mixolydian melody against it!
Cathycook,
I've had a similiar experience. I play quite a few tunes in A Major, using A,D,E chords as the main three chords and yet often a backer upperer will play A to G. It does'nt seem to happen in other keys, just A. I just stop playing and explain what the chords should be. You soon find out who the genuine learners are!
I'm a backer.
Tune players often drop a hint as to what key/ mode a tunes are in but:
1. The accent of the person can make E sound like A (and vice versa). Try thinking of 'E' or 'A' said by a bloke from London, a Scottish cat, a Kerryman, a geezer from the Punjab, a Texan and a Venusian.
2. One may grasp that is e.g. 'A' but often there is no clue as to whether it is A minor (aeolian, harmonic, melodic), A major, A dorian or A mix. And let's face it, some backers just do not pay attention or know the difference!
3. A tune maybe in 'A' but the harmony starts on a 'non I' chord i.e. in Adorian but starts on a G (major) chord.
There are ways around this:-
a. the hat method
b. the Eric Morcambe method
c. the semaphore method
d. the shaved parrot method
Is all well in this clip?
Is all well in this clip?
What do you think?
http://comhaltas.ie/music/detail/comhaltaslive_350_1_pat_burton/
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by TomB-R
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# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Ptarmigan
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yep, enjoyed that
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by ...
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that piano accompaniment is driving me mad and is far too loud
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Paudy
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The pianist let them put his name to that?
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Jack Campin
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nice accordion playing,
The piano player played some very VERY strange chords, NOT AS BAD but almost almost in the class of some of Michael Colemans piano players. He deserved to win the all ireland putting up with those bizarre chords
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Nicholas Jelinek
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All credit to Pat Burton for playing like that with barely a sign.
But I guess they'd had a run through first................?!
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by TomB-R
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Right at the very beginning when the bloke in shirtsleeves (Pat Burton) is getting the trophy, it rather looks like the old geezer with the jacket & medal squares up to kiss him but there is a sudden cut away to the music.
I'm sorry but I am not familiar who he is.
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by yhaalhouse
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There was definitely a bit of chemistry between them there -- mostly vitriol, judging by the finish.
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by gam
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Surely Comhaltas knows the difference between a box and a fiddle?
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by molaoch
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This says it all for me...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by john knoss
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Maybe I shouldn't be so judgemental?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBSF0Gi7oM0&NR=1
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by john knoss
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I've suffered worse.
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Rick Payman
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If you look at 1.30 into the clip, you'll see that the keyboard is placed on top of two tables, our man on the keyboard must have sat at the wrong table....
# Posted on July 26th 2011 by Theirlandais
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Why didn't that clip end up on the cutting room floor. Is there no quality control at that website?
# Posted on July 27th 2011 by AlBrown
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Well the pianist is using E Minor chords throughout but the very first note( excluding the anacrusis bar) is a G# and G# occurs quite often, so the "correct" chord would be an E Major. The tune sounds like it's in E Mixolydian(3 sharps). I met Pat on my last trip to Ireland in 2007 at The Fleadh Cheoil at Mike Searson's Cairdin accordeon display and this clip does not do his playing justice. E Mixolydian is not a common key and perhaps the pianist would perform better with something more familiar. If you listen to his timing it's spot on, just the wrong tonic chord I think, but it does ruin the performance.
# Posted on July 27th 2011 by Tony O'Rourke
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The accordion player is Pat Barton.
# Posted on July 27th 2011 by gooseinthenettles
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I'm scared
# Posted on July 27th 2011 by iwerzon
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If you listen carefully to Pat Barton at the start, he says "jigs in A". Why does Pat Maguire play in Em?
# Posted on July 27th 2011 by Weejie
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The tune is, as Tony O'Rourke has already said, in E mixolydian. This shares the same key signature as A maj, 3 sharps, and may be why Pat Barton thinks its in A.
The pianist playing E minor chords where they should be E major is a common mistake amongst some backers who don't understand mixolydian tunes. They can hear it's not a straightforward major tune, and just assume it's minor. I Can't understand why they don't hear how it clashes, and it drives me mad trying to play a mixolydian melody against it!
# Posted on July 28th 2011 by cathycook
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Wasn't that jig "Tim Burton's"?
# Posted on July 28th 2011 by Piece
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Cathycook,
I've had a similiar experience. I play quite a few tunes in A Major, using A,D,E chords as the main three chords and yet often a backer upperer will play A to G. It does'nt seem to happen in other keys, just A. I just stop playing and explain what the chords should be. You soon find out who the genuine learners are!
# Posted on July 29th 2011 by Tony O'Rourke
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I'm a backer.
Tune players often drop a hint as to what key/ mode a tunes are in but:
1. The accent of the person can make E sound like A (and vice versa). Try thinking of 'E' or 'A' said by a bloke from London, a Scottish cat, a Kerryman, a geezer from the Punjab, a Texan and a Venusian.
2. One may grasp that is e.g. 'A' but often there is no clue as to whether it is A minor (aeolian, harmonic, melodic), A major, A dorian or A mix. And let's face it, some backers just do not pay attention or know the difference!
3. A tune maybe in 'A' but the harmony starts on a 'non I' chord i.e. in Adorian but starts on a G (major) chord.
There are ways around this:-
a. the hat method
b. the Eric Morcambe method
c. the semaphore method
d. the shaved parrot method
# Posted on July 29th 2011 by yhaalhouse
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" the Eric Morcambe method"
The Morecambe method being to play all the notes but not necessarily in the right order?
# Posted on July 29th 2011 by Weejie
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For a competition the backer should probably learn the correct chords.
# Posted on July 31st 2011 by Earl Cameron
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Looks like the clip has been removed, only fair to both players.
# Posted on August 1st 2011 by TomB-R
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No, I was wrong, the link didn't seem to work, but it's there now.
Shan't look again.
# Posted on August 6th 2011 by TomB-R