Does anyone have any good leads on camping in Cavan for the Fleadh Cheoil? The official site is charging 170EUR for the week, which is rather steep imo...
Last year was a total rip of everywhere one tried to camp .A lot of people roughed it on the side of the road down what I call the Killeshandra Road.I was in my Motorhome up on the GAA pitch , ripped of and had miles to walk up a steep hill to the site and then walk to the bottom of the site to where I was set up.Prices were heavy.
Rip of Cavan.......stay well clear , go to a friendly local Fleadh instead.
I was thinking of camping there for a few days this year? Please if this is everyone's experience can someone tell me somewhere sane to camp where I won't hear 'Up Tyrone'...'Up Down'...or 'Up Fermanagh'...all feckin night. Or indeed 'Up Tyrone' followed by 'Gay Bastard'...and considering one or two of the people I will be hanging out with are English I'd prefer somewhere with no political hang-ups.
Don't know much about camping in Cavan, but please don't put much stock in Belfastrab's negativity. Have a look at previous comments on last year's fleadh from this member and you will see he has an anti-Cavan bee in his bonnet. Lot's of people had a great time last year.
Lot's of people had a great time last year...maybe so but lots more didnt and wont be going back. As for the site 35km away try getting a taxi/bus from Cavan late on at night, good if you have your own car and have a driver who doesnt drink.
BTW Im not anti Cavan, Im anti blantant rip off, especially when they seal of car parks so that Motorhomes and Cararvans cant stay there and are forced into the highly priced GAA pitches. Its been the first time that Car parks have been sealed of like this at Fleadhs, didnt happen in Tullamore,Clonmel,Listowel, or anywhere else but Cavan....yes youve guessed it RIPPED OFF.
Cavan by all accounts was a complete rip off, and one f those doing the "ripping off" actually boasted about it to me.
Mind you, the last time I went to a fleadh was 1977in Ennis and it was starting to become a total rip off then which was one of the reasons I never went back.
"by all accounts" bliss ? It's unfortunate that some people had a bad experience but surely you can't speak for everyone - especially second hand. When so many people descend on a small town it's inevitable you won't be able to please everyone. But I was in the town most of the second long weekend and saw a lot of people having a good time.
Belfastrab - it's hard to believe that you don't have an axe to grind when you consider that every time the subject of last years fleadh comes up you have a new gripe. You obviously had a bad experience, that's a shame. But please don't discourage other people from participating in this years event after what was for a great many other people a great fleadh last year.
Granted a lot of work and effort went into it by ardent Trad people, I have no axe to grind except for the blatant rip of and the drive towards making big profits and money.Im sure many of the Cavan committee were sickened at the rip off's, but dont forget they sanctioned the closing of of carparks to prevent campers and motorhomes from free parking and drove them to the overpriced fields of the GAA where facilities were to say the least basic with the emphasis on yellow vested over zealous officals.
I'll not be satisfied until I hear an Organiser tell us where we can get free parking and camping. Also, I have heard absolutely nothing about what steps are being taken to avert the chronic overcrowding at the gig rig went a complete castrophe was marrowly avoided.
We dont all agree or believe with the PR message being peddled.
BTW do you believe there was no profiteering or overcrowding?
I can't speak for the organisers, they'll have to pipe up for themselves. I've already expressed my opinion, along with others, about last year's crowd in the discussion below and won't repeat myself;
As I said earlier I can't help you about camping issues as I didn't camp, but for what it's worth I didn't feel as if I was ripped off for other costs such as food, drink and parking (we parked in the multi-storey).
For the record, I am not in any way involved in a Cavan PR, just a punter who had agreat time.
you won't get anything from the organisers. They are a bunch of morons. The Comhaltas people don't even reply to e-mails. They don't SEE their duty of care, they see tradition, people dancing on 4 by 4 planks, like the good ol days. One day someone will sue and they'll sh*t themselves then...
hear me now Comhaltas...indemnify yourself...de time a comin' when de sh*t hit the fan and you be sued....
I have absolutely nothing to do with CCÉ, but, knowing the organiser of the 2010 and 2011 All-Ireland in Cavan (who happens to be a long-standing member here, a fundamentally honest and decent bloke and a damned fine musician too) I think you might be more guarded in your comments.
Local branches of CCÉ actually bid for the right to hold the All-Ireland and said winning bid goes straight into the central body's coffers and, I should add, is usually a pretty hefty amount. In order to recoup said bid.the winning branch organises (and seeks local council and Garda clearance for) the various events it decides to mount in addition to the necessary competitions. It has no control over the prices charged to visitors by accommodation, food, booze or other assorted providers nor does it have the power to close car parks. Belfastrab, that was a Cavan County Council decision and just reinforced existing bylaws.
As for camping, my point in mentioning the Virginia site was simply that Cavan county is not well-equipped when it comes to the needs of tent-pitchers (hardly surprising since much of the county's under water).
Alex, the sum of €170 which you cited seems to relate to the cost of a camper van spending ten nights at the Cavan Rugby Club site. The Cavan Equestrian Centre (which is only open for the last five nights) charges €10 pp per night for camping. That doesn't strike me as either exorbitant or an example of profiteering,
One day someone will sue and they'll sh*t themselves then...
hear me now Comhaltas...indemnify yourself...de time a comin' when de sh*t hit the fan and you be sued....
Very very close last year to people getting crushed at the Sharon Shannon gig rig the Gards were running around like headless chickens when they realised it was a serious issue and lives were al stake. To this day I dont know how no one was trampled to death that night...pure luck...but unfortunately Organisers of events like this have to be lucky all the time and Cavan's time (and the Fleadh Ceoil itself) was nearly up last year.
PS If anybody knows of FREE camping areas for Motorhomes,Caravans and Tents please post here.
As for the Multi Storey I got moved on very quickly by Security when parking my van ..
firewater indeed! I tried posting on the Fleadh chatrooms a few times to air my views and each time I did it was deleted by a moderator. I don't doubt people's good intentions but we're talking duty of care here...some biddy from the north was driving her car ar ound the family area of the Tullamore campsite a few years ago. She was langers. The place was full of people sleeping in tents, the coppers wre huddled in a car at the gate sh*tting themselves. The staff at the campsite did not want to know. I can see the injuries compensation lawyers swimming around like sharks...trying to get the scent of blood...Ardcomhairle...watch your collective asses I'd say...it's not 1959 anymore...
You didn't read my posting carefully. As an organisation CCÉ has no responsibilty for the running of the All-Ireland - that's down to the local organising committee. Said committee is not responsible for the facilities offered by accommodation providers. The Occupiers Liability Act 1955 lays down that the duty of care to visitors to land or premises lies with the occupier (i.e. owner or renter) of said property.
Micky, I remember hearing about yer woman , I think she was from Derry.But you are right Organisers are steeped in 1959 era, but alas their Profit clock is firmly rooted in 2011.
Campers in Tullamore that night were very lucky no one was killed.I wonder who's insuring the Cavan Fleadh this year...sweaty palms all around..
Mac I think you will find that there is a contract between CCE and the Organising committee. It in no way absolves them from any liability , indeed quite the opposite, before assigning the Fleadh Ceoil to a town they must perform Due Dilligence particulary in the areas of Healyh abd Safety and Public Liability .....
oh my god. At this stage I'm thinking it's best to show up at teh campsite in a tank. a la Mr T. WTF...whoever said ITM isn't a question of life and death...it's much more than that...
I probably should have specified that I'll be going a few days earlier for the Scoil Eigse, so would be staying there more than those just coming for the Fleadh.
Mac - what you've read is true, they didn't mention camping rates for the Scoil Eigse campsite ie. before the 18th, so I e-mailed them asking what the camping rate was for the Scoil Eigse campsite and they said it was the same as a campervan ie. 170EUR. I agree that 10EUR/night for the Equestrian Center is completely reasonable, so I'll just need to look for something for the first few nights.
'Mac I think you will find that there is a contract between CCE and the Organising committee. It in no way absolves them from any liability , indeed quite the opposite, before assigning the Fleadh Ceoil to a town they must perform Due Dilligence particulary in the areas of Healyh abd Safety and Public Liability .....
So if anything goes wrong CCE hold the can.'
Rab, anyone organising any public event has to be aware of the laws regarding liability and health and safety. The point I've been trying to make (which your skull seems to dense to encompass) is that the organising committee of the Cavan Fleadh cannot be expected to be held liable for anything which occurs on private premises or land (such as campsites) during the holding of the Fleadh.
So, no, if anything goes wrong on such properties neither the organising committee nor CCÉ nationally is legally responsible.
Maybe not on Private Land granted , but open air gig rig events and competitions under its direct control the Organisers have a clear duty of legal responsibility and due dilligence.
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Does anyone have any good leads on camping in Cavan for the Fleadh Cheoil? The official site is charging 170EUR for the week, which is rather steep imo...
Cheers!
Alex.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by alexb
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Last year was a total rip of everywhere one tried to camp .A lot of people roughed it on the side of the road down what I call the Killeshandra Road.I was in my Motorhome up on the GAA pitch , ripped of and had miles to walk up a steep hill to the site and then walk to the bottom of the site to where I was set up.Prices were heavy.
Rip of Cavan.......stay well clear , go to a friendly local Fleadh instead.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by belfastrab
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I was thinking of camping there for a few days this year? Please if this is everyone's experience can someone tell me somewhere sane to camp where I won't hear 'Up Tyrone'...'Up Down'...or 'Up Fermanagh'...all feckin night. Or indeed 'Up Tyrone' followed by 'Gay Bastard'...and considering one or two of the people I will be hanging out with are English I'd prefer somewhere with no political hang-ups.
not holding my breath....
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by mickyfong
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The only decent campsite in County Cavan is a few kilometres south of Virginia - http://www.camping-ireland.ie/parks/cavan/57-lough-ramor-caravan-a-camping-park.html. That's 35km away, but it's in a very pleasant setting.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by MacCruiskeen
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Don't know much about camping in Cavan, but please don't put much stock in Belfastrab's negativity. Have a look at previous comments on last year's fleadh from this member and you will see he has an anti-Cavan bee in his bonnet. Lot's of people had a great time last year.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by stoneboy2
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Lot's of people had a great time last year...maybe so but lots more didnt and wont be going back. As for the site 35km away try getting a taxi/bus from Cavan late on at night, good if you have your own car and have a driver who doesnt drink.
BTW Im not anti Cavan, Im anti blantant rip off, especially when they seal of car parks so that Motorhomes and Cararvans cant stay there and are forced into the highly priced GAA pitches. Its been the first time that Car parks have been sealed of like this at Fleadhs, didnt happen in Tullamore,Clonmel,Listowel, or anywhere else but Cavan....yes youve guessed it RIPPED OFF.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by belfastrab
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Cavan by all accounts was a complete rip off, and one f those doing the "ripping off" actually boasted about it to me.
Mind you, the last time I went to a fleadh was 1977in Ennis and it was starting to become a total rip off then which was one of the reasons I never went back.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by bodhran bliss
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"by all accounts" bliss ? It's unfortunate that some people had a bad experience but surely you can't speak for everyone - especially second hand. When so many people descend on a small town it's inevitable you won't be able to please everyone. But I was in the town most of the second long weekend and saw a lot of people having a good time.
Belfastrab - it's hard to believe that you don't have an axe to grind when you consider that every time the subject of last years fleadh comes up you have a new gripe. You obviously had a bad experience, that's a shame. But please don't discourage other people from participating in this years event after what was for a great many other people a great fleadh last year.
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by stoneboy2
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Granted a lot of work and effort went into it by ardent Trad people, I have no axe to grind except for the blatant rip of and the drive towards making big profits and money.Im sure many of the Cavan committee were sickened at the rip off's, but dont forget they sanctioned the closing of of carparks to prevent campers and motorhomes from free parking and drove them to the overpriced fields of the GAA where facilities were to say the least basic with the emphasis on yellow vested over zealous officals.
I'll not be satisfied until I hear an Organiser tell us where we can get free parking and camping. Also, I have heard absolutely nothing about what steps are being taken to avert the chronic overcrowding at the gig rig went a complete castrophe was marrowly avoided.
We dont all agree or believe with the PR message being peddled.
BTW do you believe there was no profiteering or overcrowding?
# Posted on June 27th 2011 by belfastrab
Re: Fleadh Camping
I can't speak for the organisers, they'll have to pipe up for themselves. I've already expressed my opinion, along with others, about last year's crowd in the discussion below and won't repeat myself;
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/27009/
As I said earlier I can't help you about camping issues as I didn't camp, but for what it's worth I didn't feel as if I was ripped off for other costs such as food, drink and parking (we parked in the multi-storey).
For the record, I am not in any way involved in a Cavan PR, just a punter who had agreat time.
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by stoneboy2
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you won't get anything from the organisers. They are a bunch of morons. The Comhaltas people don't even reply to e-mails. They don't SEE their duty of care, they see tradition, people dancing on 4 by 4 planks, like the good ol days. One day someone will sue and they'll sh*t themselves then...
hear me now Comhaltas...indemnify yourself...de time a comin' when de sh*t hit the fan and you be sued....
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by mickyfong
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Whoo, Micky, send us some of your firewater!
I have absolutely nothing to do with CCÉ, but, knowing the organiser of the 2010 and 2011 All-Ireland in Cavan (who happens to be a long-standing member here, a fundamentally honest and decent bloke and a damned fine musician too) I think you might be more guarded in your comments.
Local branches of CCÉ actually bid for the right to hold the All-Ireland and said winning bid goes straight into the central body's coffers and, I should add, is usually a pretty hefty amount. In order to recoup said bid.the winning branch organises (and seeks local council and Garda clearance for) the various events it decides to mount in addition to the necessary competitions. It has no control over the prices charged to visitors by accommodation, food, booze or other assorted providers nor does it have the power to close car parks. Belfastrab, that was a Cavan County Council decision and just reinforced existing bylaws.
As for camping, my point in mentioning the Virginia site was simply that Cavan county is not well-equipped when it comes to the needs of tent-pitchers (hardly surprising since much of the county's under water).
Alex, the sum of €170 which you cited seems to relate to the cost of a camper van spending ten nights at the Cavan Rugby Club site. The Cavan Equestrian Centre (which is only open for the last five nights) charges €10 pp per night for camping. That doesn't strike me as either exorbitant or an example of profiteering,
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by MacCruiskeen
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One day someone will sue and they'll sh*t themselves then...
hear me now Comhaltas...indemnify yourself...de time a comin' when de sh*t hit the fan and you be sued....
Very very close last year to people getting crushed at the Sharon Shannon gig rig the Gards were running around like headless chickens when they realised it was a serious issue and lives were al stake. To this day I dont know how no one was trampled to death that night...pure luck...but unfortunately Organisers of events like this have to be lucky all the time and Cavan's time (and the Fleadh Ceoil itself) was nearly up last year.
PS If anybody knows of FREE camping areas for Motorhomes,Caravans and Tents please post here.
As for the Multi Storey I got moved on very quickly by Security when parking my van ..
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by belfastrab
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firewater indeed! I tried posting on the Fleadh chatrooms a few times to air my views and each time I did it was deleted by a moderator. I don't doubt people's good intentions but we're talking duty of care here...some biddy from the north was driving her car ar ound the family area of the Tullamore campsite a few years ago. She was langers. The place was full of people sleeping in tents, the coppers wre huddled in a car at the gate sh*tting themselves. The staff at the campsite did not want to know. I can see the injuries compensation lawyers swimming around like sharks...trying to get the scent of blood...Ardcomhairle...watch your collective asses I'd say...it's not 1959 anymore...
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by mickyfong
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Micky,
You didn't read my posting carefully. As an organisation CCÉ has no responsibilty for the running of the All-Ireland - that's down to the local organising committee. Said committee is not responsible for the facilities offered by accommodation providers. The Occupiers Liability Act 1955 lays down that the duty of care to visitors to land or premises lies with the occupier (i.e. owner or renter) of said property.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1995/en/act/pub/0010/print.html#sec3
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by MacCruiskeen
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Micky, I remember hearing about yer woman , I think she was from Derry.But you are right Organisers are steeped in 1959 era, but alas their Profit clock is firmly rooted in 2011.
Campers in Tullamore that night were very lucky no one was killed.I wonder who's insuring the Cavan Fleadh this year...sweaty palms all around..
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by belfastrab
Re: Fleadh Camping
Mac I think you will find that there is a contract between CCE and the Organising committee. It in no way absolves them from any liability , indeed quite the opposite, before assigning the Fleadh Ceoil to a town they must perform Due Dilligence particulary in the areas of Healyh abd Safety and Public Liability .....
So if anything goes wrong CCE hold the can...
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by belfastrab
Re: Fleadh Camping
oh my god. At this stage I'm thinking it's best to show up at teh campsite in a tank. a la Mr T. WTF...whoever said ITM isn't a question of life and death...it's much more than that...
# Posted on June 28th 2011 by mickyfong
Re: Fleadh Camping
I probably should have specified that I'll be going a few days earlier for the Scoil Eigse, so would be staying there more than those just coming for the Fleadh.
Mac - what you've read is true, they didn't mention camping rates for the Scoil Eigse campsite ie. before the 18th, so I e-mailed them asking what the camping rate was for the Scoil Eigse campsite and they said it was the same as a campervan ie. 170EUR. I agree that 10EUR/night for the Equestrian Center is completely reasonable, so I'll just need to look for something for the first few nights.
Alex.
# Posted on June 29th 2011 by alexb
Re: Fleadh Camping
'Mac I think you will find that there is a contract between CCE and the Organising committee. It in no way absolves them from any liability , indeed quite the opposite, before assigning the Fleadh Ceoil to a town they must perform Due Dilligence particulary in the areas of Healyh abd Safety and Public Liability .....
So if anything goes wrong CCE hold the can.'
Rab, anyone organising any public event has to be aware of the laws regarding liability and health and safety. The point I've been trying to make (which your skull seems to dense to encompass) is that the organising committee of the Cavan Fleadh cannot be expected to be held liable for anything which occurs on private premises or land (such as campsites) during the holding of the Fleadh.
So, no, if anything goes wrong on such properties neither the organising committee nor CCÉ nationally is legally responsible.
# Posted on June 29th 2011 by MacCruiskeen
Re: Fleadh Camping
Maybe not on Private Land granted , but open air gig rig events and competitions under its direct control the Organisers have a clear duty of legal responsibility and due dilligence.
# Posted on June 30th 2011 by belfastrab