I've been asked to put together a collection of slow tunes (not all Irish and not necessarily slow airs). Since this will get distributed a bit I'm trying to track down composers to get permission. I've tried contact through web sites to no avail. I thought perhaps some of you folks might have some information on how to contact some of these folks:
Eleanor of Usen - Phil Cunningham
Heart of the Heartland - Peter Ostroushko
Hills of Lorne - Charlie Hunter
If Ever You Were Mine - Mauarice Lennon
Isle of Innisfree - Dick Farelly
Josefins Dopvals - Roger Talroth
My Cape Breton Home - Jerry Holland
Dark Island - Ian McLaughlin (music only)
Innisheer - Thomas Walsh
Many thanks for any info you can give me. Keep the "forget the dots" discussion for another thread
I didn't realize Phil was a member. Thanks for that! I know Jerry Holland and Ian Maclachlan have passed, but someone holds the copyright. I tried the Vasen contacts but will take another look and see what I can find out. I have no idea what a phone call across the pond will cost, but I'll look into that.
For The Dark Island there may be something of use in the murky waters here http://www.footstompin.com/public/forum?threadid=69934
(haven't read it recently, came across it when helping someone put together a session tune book )
I ran across this messy situation too. The tune is fairly easy to track down who wrote and who owns copyright, but the words situation is really messy. I'm interested in the tune, but so far no answers from Essex Music....
If the post on that page referring to the oral tradition about the tunes origin is from the well known piper of the same name he might be able to shed some light on it.
Hi Chuck,
I tried to reply to you yesterday.. couldn't log on here.
Can you resend your request to phil@philcunningham.com and I'll make sure it's dealt with. Include your own email so Jane can contact you directly.
Cheers
Phil.
I called Mr. Walsh using a number I found on the internet some years ago, to arrange use of Inisheer. We had a very nice conversation, a delightful man.
As I recollect, he referred me to an outfit called Crashed Records, who handles his business dealings, and they were very efficient and reasonable to deal with. You may be able to find them through a simple google search.
Thanks Phil, Request will be sent tomorrow (Minneapolis time). Well later today...
In re Thomas Walsh: Perhaps the phone number will help. Email to the crashedmusic address on the web site bounces. Probably the ISP has changed. I'll keep looking.
And thanks again for all the help I'm getting here! I want to respect folks who have provided us with wonderful tunes.
@Phil (philbox): I've emailed to your address. If you haven't heard from me my email is cboody at mchsi.com (properly put together of course. Drop a note.
Apologies to Jeremy and anyone else I've offended by transacting this business out here. I've actually mailed to Phil's above address three times and it is clear that something is going amiss with the delivery....
Surely the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society would be the place to go ?
I believe Hans Fried, who used to work in Colletts folk music shop, is now there, and he is a mine of useful information.
Mechanical rights, at least in the US refer to the right to record and distribute the recording (at least in the US) I'm looking for the right to include the dots in a collection. But, I'll try to contact the above group too...once I get back from a week long trip to play music (mostly Scottish though )
cboody, US copyright allows for educational use without permission or payment of roylaties. Not sure if that's your intended purpose with this, though. And even so, it's just common courtesy to ask permission.
Fair use would not apply in any way. I've been down that road many time as a school music person. The law is quite specific.
"Might get distributed a bit" actually implies inclusion in a collection. Definitely not on the net, but definitely distributed. So, I definitely need permission.
Yes, in a *published* collection, you need permission.
If you're just handing out copies to your learning mates, for educational, nonprofit purposes (i.e., no gigging, and no remuneration), then, no, permission is likely not required.
And actually, the law regarding "fair use," which includes educational and scholarship use, is far from "specific." It's based almost entirely on a string of court decisions, not legislative text. (FWIW, I'm a published author and have dealt with copyright issues in the US for more than 25 years.)
It's always a good idea to ask permission--just common courtesy, really.
Contact info requested
Contact info requested
I've been asked to put together a collection of slow tunes (not all Irish and not necessarily slow airs). Since this will get distributed a bit I'm trying to track down composers to get permission. I've tried contact through web sites to no avail. I thought perhaps some of you folks might have some information on how to contact some of these folks:
Eleanor of Usen - Phil Cunningham
Heart of the Heartland - Peter Ostroushko
Hills of Lorne - Charlie Hunter
If Ever You Were Mine - Mauarice Lennon
Isle of Innisfree - Dick Farelly
Josefins Dopvals - Roger Talroth
My Cape Breton Home - Jerry Holland
Dark Island - Ian McLaughlin (music only)
Innisheer - Thomas Walsh
Many thanks for any info you can give me. Keep the "forget the dots" discussion for another thread
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by cboody
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Phil is a member on here. You could try emailing him that way:
http://www.thesession.org/members/display/13005
You are too late for Jerry Holland and Ian Maclachlan.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by No Cause For Alarm
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Roger Tallroth plays with Vasen. Their website has loads of contact details:
http://www.vasen.se/
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by No Cause For Alarm
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I see there is a phone number for Thomas Walsh in the comments of the tune on here - albeit it is from 2001.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by No Cause For Alarm
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I didn't realize Phil was a member. Thanks for that! I know Jerry Holland and Ian Maclachlan have passed, but someone holds the copyright. I tried the Vasen contacts but will take another look and see what I can find out. I have no idea what a phone call across the pond will cost, but I'll look into that.
Many thanks for all the help.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by cboody
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You can contact Peter Ostroushko here:
http://www.peterostroushko.com/contact.html
easily found with google
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by jardineromi
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Notice my opening comment: "I've tried through web sites but to no avail."
For Peter I may have to pick up the phone. He's local. But in the past he's always responded to email. I've no idea why he isn't now.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by cboody
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Phil and Maurice are on FaceBook.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by kkrell
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As is Roger Tallroth
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by No Cause For Alarm
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For Jerry Holland's music contact Paul Cranford, he'll know where the copyright is held and likely be able to help there.
http://cranfordpub.com/
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by ceolachan
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Thanks folks. I got to Peter O., and am still looking for the others. I don't do Facebook, so that avenue is out. I certainly check Paul Cranford.
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by cboody
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For The Dark Island there may be something of use in the murky waters here
)
http://www.footstompin.com/public/forum?threadid=69934
(haven't read it recently, came across it when helping someone put together a session tune book
# Posted on March 15th 2011 by David50
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Thanks David,
I ran across this messy situation too. The tune is fairly easy to track down who wrote and who owns copyright, but the words situation is really messy. I'm interested in the tune, but so far no answers from Essex Music....
# Posted on March 16th 2011 by cboody
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If the post on that page referring to the oral tradition about the tunes origin is from the well known piper of the same name he might be able to shed some light on it.
# Posted on March 16th 2011 by David50
Contact for Phil Cunningham
Hi Chuck,
I tried to reply to you yesterday.. couldn't log on here.
Can you resend your request to phil@philcunningham.com and I'll make sure it's dealt with. Include your own email so Jane can contact you directly.
Cheers
Phil.
# Posted on March 16th 2011 by philbox
Re: Contact info requested
I called Mr. Walsh using a number I found on the internet some years ago, to arrange use of Inisheer. We had a very nice conversation, a delightful man.
As I recollect, he referred me to an outfit called Crashed Records, who handles his business dealings, and they were very efficient and reasonable to deal with. You may be able to find them through a simple google search.
# Posted on March 17th 2011 by AlBrown
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Thanks Phil, Request will be sent tomorrow (Minneapolis time). Well later today...
In re Thomas Walsh: Perhaps the phone number will help. Email to the crashedmusic address on the web site bounces. Probably the ISP has changed. I'll keep looking.
And thanks again for all the help I'm getting here! I want to respect folks who have provided us with wonderful tunes.
# Posted on March 17th 2011 by cboody
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@Phil (philbox): I've emailed to your address. If you haven't heard from me my email is cboody at mchsi.com (properly put together of course. Drop a note.
Apologies to Jeremy and anyone else I've offended by transacting this business out here. I've actually mailed to Phil's above address three times and it is clear that something is going amiss with the delivery....
# Posted on March 17th 2011 by cboody
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Surely the Mechanical Copyright Protection Society would be the place to go ?
I believe Hans Fried, who used to work in Colletts folk music shop, is now there, and he is a mine of useful information.
# Posted on March 18th 2011 by Guernsey Pete
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Mechanical rights, at least in the US refer to the right to record and distribute the recording (at least in the US) I'm looking for the right to include the dots in a collection. But, I'll try to contact the above group too...once I get back from a week long trip to play music (mostly Scottish though
)
# Posted on March 19th 2011 by cboody
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cboody, US copyright allows for educational use without permission or payment of roylaties. Not sure if that's your intended purpose with this, though. And even so, it's just common courtesy to ask permission.
Good luck.
# Posted on March 19th 2011 by Will Harmon
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"might get distributed a bit" suggests something that would not be covered under any education-use exemption, in the US or elsewhere.
In particular if the thing is going to be publicly available on the Internet I would expect most composers to refuse. Phil Cunningham certainly would.
# Posted on March 19th 2011 by Jack Campin
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Actually, distribution is allowed under the educational use clause in the US. Educational use is not restricted to one-offs.
Personally, I would never speak for Phil Cunningham, unless I was Phil Cunningham. He can make his own decisions in this matter, eh?
# Posted on March 19th 2011 by Will Harmon
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Fair use would not apply in any way. I've been down that road many time as a school music person. The law is quite specific.
"Might get distributed a bit" actually implies inclusion in a collection. Definitely not on the net, but definitely distributed. So, I definitely need permission.
# Posted on April 6th 2011 by cboody
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Yes, in a *published* collection, you need permission.
If you're just handing out copies to your learning mates, for educational, nonprofit purposes (i.e., no gigging, and no remuneration), then, no, permission is likely not required.
And actually, the law regarding "fair use," which includes educational and scholarship use, is far from "specific." It's based almost entirely on a string of court decisions, not legislative text. (FWIW, I'm a published author and have dealt with copyright issues in the US for more than 25 years.)
It's always a good idea to ask permission--just common courtesy, really.
See: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
And you can read section 107 of the US law, which briefly describes fair use, here: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
# Posted on April 6th 2011 by Will Harmon