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"Boom-Banga-Boom" - muffling a tapping foot

"Boom-Banga-Boom" - muffling a tapping foot

I've faced this problem before, trying to find ways to reduce the sound transference of a tapping foot across a floor and up a microphone stand and into the mic and out the system with a "Boom-Banga-Boom"... I'd love to hear your ways of dealing with this, outside of nailing or super gluing their feet to the floor.

Going back a ways, I remember using a mic stand that was pretty damned good at absorbing such things, possibly Beyerdynamics, which I know we used to own? I've also tried certain shock absorbing mic clips and holders, and a shagpile carpet slipped under the feet, though they did tend to hit it harder.

For those that don't know, the often quoted Seamus Ennis's comment that "The only way to play a bodhran is with an open pocket knife", was his somewhat unconscious attack on the boom, boom, boom of his own size 14 or 15, or were they bigger, shoes slamming down on the stage and that carrying across and through the PA. He thought the beat of his own foot, delayed as it would be, was some '"f'kin' bodhran player"...

But back to the question, any ideas, wind-ups or tales of similar plight are welcome... And if anyone knows of those mic stands, please remind me. :-/

# Posted on February 6th 2011 by ceolachan

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If you go to your local pro-audio shop and ask for "tripod isolators" they'll sell you three blocks of foam rubber with hole cut in them to fit the feet of a microphone stand. Or you could make your own.

# Posted on February 6th 2011 by skreech

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...or play in your stocking feet.

# Posted on February 6th 2011 by Will Harmon

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Hey, I could take up knitting again and make some heavy duty double thick socks for the person in question. Actually, you've just reminded me, a Cape Breton friend made me a massive pair. They must be half an inch thick. They'd be perfect...

# Posted on February 6th 2011 by ceolachan

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skreech, yes, and I have some foam here. I'll give it a try, though maybe I should make them big enough to take a foot?

# Posted on February 6th 2011 by ceolachan

I can see it now, foam booties...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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Use barstool - so your feet can't touch the floor.

Use a foot sized, velvet covered piece of loft insulation.

Make yourself a foot sized bed of nails, or tray of broken glass, and play in bare feet.

Sit Japanese style.

Stand up.

There are 5 suggestions straight off !

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ormepipes

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:-D - I know you want me to do this, but it's really for someone else I was asking. And I just haven't the leather kit necessary to properly pull off such torture... I like the idea of the lotus position, or maybe better, 'the stork'? Standing up doesn't work...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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ceolachan, you can do the stork sitting down? i must be thinking of a different stork...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by full measure

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Well I may have said this on here before..
But once I had to record a fiddle part on a guys new CD.I have very bad F.T.S. { Foot Tap Syndrome } - lol.
So the Guy that run the studio got about 1 meter square
thick of yellow foam beneath my both feet, the sort you get in Sofa Upholstery.
Not only could not hear any Foot Tap but, I had not desire to tap any of my feet at all. Maybe is Psychological - lol..
But it worked !
Worth a try Danni, if not, at least this post maybe has given you a laugh.
jim,,,

: )

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by FIDDLE4

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Ceolachan, your Cape Breton friend must have been very aware of the problem! Most of my Cape Breton recordings feature heavy stomping sounds.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by oldstrings

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' the stork' I'd learned was up on one leg, the other folded back...

I just thought, thanks to skreech's idea, that pipe insulation might be ideal, the type that comes in lengths and is basically a foam tube. I'll give that a try.

Somehow it doesn't surprise me that you have 'foot-tap-syndrome' Jim... ;-)

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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Stepping accompaniment oldstrings, or at least the better takes on it, also met and tried further North in Quebec. It can, literally, be a kick, good fun...

What always surprises me, well, maybe not anymore, are those that tap in ways that bear no realtionship to the music whatsoever. It's weird, other dimensional...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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As a habitual foot tapper, I have often encountered this problem - even playing unplugged, in a space where the acoustics just happened to be such that they amplified the sound of my foot above the level of the instruments themselves. In the privacy of my own home, or in a session, I am quite capable of playing with my foot completely still - although it often starts moving of its own accord when the mood takes it. But, if I am playing for dancing or before an audience, I tend to succumb to nerves and find myself tapping my foot for that extra little bit of security.

The best solution I have found to the resounding THUMP is a kind of 'virtual tap', whereby I rest my heel on the floor and jerk the ball of my foot towards the floor, but not actually making contact, so it is all but silent. Occasionally, if, in this slihtly unnatural postion, my footbegins to cramp, I switch to resting the ball of my foot on the floor and thrusting my heel downwards. It seems to work for me, anyway.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by CreadurMawnOrganig

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"Stepping accompaniment"

Yes. The French Canadians make an art form of it (podorhythmie). Surely it's been done with Irish music, when are not enough people available to play AND dance a set

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by CreadurMawnOrganig

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Have you tried EQ'ing it out? I've had modest but noticeable success doing that by cutting out some bottom end. Luckily, there was no bass instrument.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Bob himself

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I once was in a workshop with K Burke, a barely known fiddler, who stomps his foot in unpretentious polyrhythms.

When an enthusiastic workshopee asked the aforesaid why he doesn't tap his foot in time with his own music - he looked back, concerned by the question, and when, after concentrating on the proposition for a few moments, forgot the tune, and adjourned the session.

The moral? For the great players, take whatever you can get. For punters, have them wear socks.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Toppish

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How about a pair of old boots and a nail gun?

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by fabphil39

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There was a dear fellow, a lovely concertina player with this self same quirk. Wasn't a problem until it became time to record him. We tried socks but he could stomp pretty darn loud even in socks. We tried the big blocks of foam like Jim used but then he couldn't play at all. We ended up putting him on a stool, he could tap his socked foot on the rung and it didn't make too much noise but he couldn't give it the big stomp thing and he could still play just fine.
Never thought of the nail gun idea......

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Twisty

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1. suspension mic clips (like wot one uses in a studio with condenser mics)
2. copius foam rubber (or wotteffah it actually is) gaffa'ed to the feet of the mic stands
3. carpet tiles (or samples from the carpet & linoleum shop) under the feet of the offending musos

But if this all too efficient, you may want to use a seperate mic on a short stand actually picking up the foot stomping sound and mix it in the FOH!

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by yhaalhouse

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maybe you get a bunch of anti-vibration pads (the ones they use for washing machines) and hot glue them to the bottoms of the offender's shoes. I went to one of Martin Hayes' workshops once and he mentioned that's a problem on his recordings too. Personally I thing it's a fantastic sound.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by airport

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these ones are called "silent feet" - sounds promising. maybe you could put them under the mic stand:
http://bit.ly/heHf3t

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by airport

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Here's one maybe you could put your feet on , mic stand ones are good for sure, but the mic still picks up your foot tapping the floor etc... '' Take it out at the source '' - lol.
jim,,,

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/home/2010/06/steadywash-vibration-isolation-platform-review-of-antivibration-pads-for-washing-machines-vibeaway.html

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by FIDDLE4

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Smoetimes, I think the best thing my first music teacher did for me was teach me to tap my toe INSIDE my shoe, just bend and unbend tapping the inside of it.

Still tapping, but silent.

Thank you and RIP, Mr. Burr.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Piece

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Some years ago, at a local session on the second floor of a popular restaurant, the manager of the restaurant had to get some type of pads to put on the floor under the feet of myself and all of the other musicians because we were all stomping and/or tapping our feet too loudly. The noise we were making with our feet was bothering and disturbing the customers on the first floor of the restaurant. One of the customers on the first floor compared the noise unflatteringly and unfavorably to a herd of drunken buffaloes during a stampede. Since this was a Western-themed restaurant named the Last Chance, the comparison to the buffalo was appropriate.

Laurence

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by fauxcelt

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Take your shoes off, if your tapping too load after that then your probably causing microfractures to your metatarsals, and this is not a good idea. I like Piece's idea. I do that but it does get some wierd looks if your wearing soft shoes, just to see a lump moving up and down inside a persons shoe is creepy. Another good thing is just to tape your feet to the floor. Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver! :D

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by mandolinist

*loud

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by mandolinist

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I never understood foot tapping/stomping anyway. Back when I was learning to play, it just never occurred to me to tap my foot, and when I saw other people do it, it looked like a waste of energy. Do people really find it helpful, or does it maybe just feel good, or is it just a habit that seemed like a good idea at the time?

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Bob himself

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I find it really helpful. But thats only because I can't count up to four.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by mandolinist

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I hate the blooming bosh bosh bosh on the floorboards!
And isn't it funny that the anti-backing posse ('This music has the rhythm in the melody and doesn't need anything else') quite happily sit there banging away four to the floor all juicing night!

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by yhaalhouse

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Discussion: Cello in a session
# Posted on February 7th 2011 by BenS
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/26702

Bob, yes, EQ-ing, and I've also mics that allow me to cut off some of the bottom. It helps some.

fabphil - the nail gun idea sent my battered brain daydreaming Westerns and the expletive "DANCE!"

Twisty, a good tale, and the repeat of the stool idea, this time with solid results...

yhaal - 1.) yes to the shock mounts for mics. I've some that aren't so spidery I'm going to try. 2 & 3 are also ideas I've tried before, in one form or another. Putting the three together is an idea.

airport - it's not me disliking foot tapping, when it actually fits the music, but when you're recording it can't. Why? There's a time delay in the movement of that sound across the floor and up the mic stand, into the mic and out the system, or into it for recording. That's what happened with Seamus Ennis. His foot tapping was right on, with his music, but what was picked up and blasting out the PA was off that rhythm, and it drove him nuts, not that he wasn't already loopy. He thought it was someone else playing the bodhran off beat.

Yes, mentioned previously, now twice, these anti-vibration pads would work both ways, though they're primarily for the heavy movement of washing machines, but they might work here too, the other way round, an interesting idea.

Jim - hmmmm, we could just put his feet in their own sound booth, two holes for them to go through, or from the waist down...

Lawrence/fauxcelt - what were the pads?

Bob - some folks actually dance while they play, as mentioned previously. There's a little bit of that in moving your feet to the music. Even listening to a tune played well and with spirit and lift I find my feet moving involuntarily - instinct...

CMO & Piece - I like that the best, less hassle for me and just a minor adjustment for the tapper, if they can manage it. I find myself doing it that way too.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

:-/

OOps! The cut and paste of that cello discussion got picked up here. I was preparing to send that link to someone. In a sense, that too can be hell, a cellist or bass that plays their instrument like chromatic foot bashing...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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Play in your socks. That's what I saw Paddy Keenan doing at a gig a couple weeks ago.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by DrSilverSpear

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Whenever Paddy plays in his socks the key question is 'where are his shoes?'!

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by MacCruiskeen

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Not, "Paddy, where's your trousers"?

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by Jon Kiparsky

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My foot tapping is strictly in self defense. I use it to reign in other musicians with wayward tempo. It gets louder in relation to how bad the tempo issues are. No issues, no tap. ;-)

I vote for the foam booties! You could sell them online Mr. C, run a little side biz. Maybe it'd be the new Snuggie.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by SWFL Fiddler

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Maybe a nice tappity board with foam or something under it, then the tapper can tap as much as he likes, and the sound won't (?) be transmitted through the floor.

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by gam

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SWFL ~ Yes, I've caught myself there, especially when some speed demon, bodhranista or otherwise, tries to whip us up to a stampede as if we were cattle and they were the cowboy. The latter half of that might be true...

# Posted on February 7th 2011 by ceolachan

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Hang the mic.

# Posted on February 8th 2011 by Dr.Carabus

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If I remember correctly, the pads were similar to the rubber and/or plastic pads which are placed on the floor behind the bar and in the kitchen so none of the restaurant staff (and especially the bartender) is likely to slip and fall while trying to do their jobs.

Laurence

# Posted on February 8th 2011 by fauxcelt

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Cool! Yes, those have air pockets under them, like a bath mat. They're perfect. Thanks FC...

I did make up some booties for the mic stands using the pipe insulation. I cut them into 10cm/4" lengths, I then cut a 'T' into them, across and lengthwise, and set each foot of the stand into that 'T'. It helped some, as also did choosing a mic with roll off, in this case a lovely Rode M3.

We're big fans of Rode mics, especially since they moved their manufacturing back to Australia from China, and we also love their 10 year warranty, as well as their mics.

# Posted on February 10th 2011 by ceolachan

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You're welcome, Ceolachan.
The pads which the manager of the restaurant got for us were probably some extra pads which he had stored in a back room just in case they were needed in the kitchen or behind the bar.

Laurence

# Posted on February 10th 2011 by fauxcelt

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mandolinist:

I was wondering if it is creepier to SEE a toe wiggling in someone's shoes at a session,

or is it creeier to be LOOKING?
;-)

(I will readily confess to the highly erotic nature of toe-tapping.
Toe-tapping voyeurism, a victimless crime? :-/)

# Posted on February 10th 2011 by Piece

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Piece, that is probably better than sucking on toes.

Laurence

# Posted on February 10th 2011 by fauxcelt

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