I was poking around in the online British Library archival sound recordings http://sounds.bl.uk/Default.aspx and came across a bunch of unreleased Bobby Casey tracks from the 70s, recorded by Reg Hall and Bill Leader for an LP that never materialized. Bobby plays mostly solo but on a few tracks he plays with other unidentified musicians on fiddle, flute and melodeon (I’m guessing it’s Reg on melodeon). I cherry picked my favorite tracks and downloaded 14 of them.
I wonder if folks could help me ID some of the tunes. Most of them are really familiar but I can’t place them. I’ve converted them to .mp3s and placed them in a zipped file here:
Reel
Lucy Campbell, Rakish Paddy
Lucy Campbell, Rakish Paddy (again)
Idle Road Waltz, Mrs Kenny's
Sound Check
The Laurel Tree (tin whistle)
Pol Ha'penny
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's (fragments)
Sound Check #2
Master Crowley's #2
Sound Check #3
The Frost is All Over
Reel (lilted)
Mama's Pet
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's (fragments) (again)
The Flower of Sweet Strabane (sung)
Master Crowley's #2 (again)
Mama's Pet (again)
Sound Check #4
The Frost is All Over (again)
Chat
The Ashplant
The Clare Reel
Kitty's Gone A Milking
The Ashplant (again)
The High Reel
Chat #2
The High Reel
The Dash to Portobello
Chat #3
Seven Nights Drunk
Pol Ha'penny (again)
Bantry Bay Hornpipe
Polka and Chat
Reel
Chat #4
Molly Durkin, Polka
Murphy's Hornpipe
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing
Sporting Nell
Chat #5
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's
Reel
Old Scottish Jig
The Bird in the Tree
The Porthole of the Kelp
Dowd's #9
Kitty's Gone A Milking (again)
Hurry The Jug
Jackie Coleman's
Hurry The Jug (again)
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing (again)
The Broken Pledge
Jockey to the Fair
The Dogs Among the Bushes (whistle)
Tear the Calico (lilted and whistled)
The Pigeon on the Gate
Banks of the Silvery Tide
Chattering Magpie, Miss Thornton (whistle)
The Ship in Full Sail, The Mist In The Meadow
Practice
Jackie Coleman's (again)
Dunmore Lassies (whistle)
The Jolly Tinker, The Pretty Girls of Mayo
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing (once again)
Jenny's Welcome to Charlie
The Gallowglass, The Legacy Jig
The Banks of the Suir
The Gallowglass, The Legacy Jig (again)
Chat #7
As I Went Out Upon The Ice, Polka
Paddy Ryan's Dream
Chat #8
The Banks of the Suir (again)
Chat #9
The Limestone Rock, The Hut in the Bog
March
Master Crowley's #2, The Morning Dew
The Jolly Tinker, The Pretty Girls of Mayo (again)
Fairwell To Miltown Malbay, Star of Munster
Song, Chat
Reel (again)
Bonnie Kate
The Nightingale, Strike the Gay Harp
The Cliffs of Moher (G), Bryan O'Lynn
Sean O Duibhir A'ghleanna
The Dear Irish Boy
Chat #12
The Dear Irish Boy (again)
The Custom Gap, The College Groves
Air (whistle)
Song
Chat #10
The Cliffs of Moher (G), Bryan O'Lynn (again)
Banish Misfortune, Kitty's Rambles
Banish Misfortune, Kitty's Rambles (again)
The Frieze Britches
The Stranger, Rodney's Glory
The Woman of the House, Cooley's
The Enchanted Lady, The Holy Land
Chat #11
The Frieze Britches (again)
Apples in Winter, Gillan's Apples
Chief O'Neill's Hornpipe, The Rights of Man
The Scotsman Over the Border, Morrison's
The Sunshine Hornpipe, The Cuckoo Hornpipe
Strike the Gay Harp, The Legacy
The Queen of the Fair, The Scotsman Over the Border
Sheehan's, The High Reel
Pol Ha'penny, Hornpipe
Jenny's Welcome to Charlie, My Love is in America
Chat about Morrison's and Whelan's Jigs
Humours of Tulla, The Skylark, Roaring Mary
Lucy Campbell, Toss the Feathers
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier
Memories of Ballymote, Gurteen Cross Polkas
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier (again)
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier (again) (again)
Farewell To Connaught, Jackson's (Dublin Reel in G), The Woman of the House
The Three Sea Captains, Hurry the Jug
Mother's Delight, Jenny's Welcome to Charlie
Scully Casey's, Maid in the Meadow, The Wandering Minstrel, Coleman's Cross
Colonel Frasier, Toss the Feathers
Chat #13
The Ace and Deuce of Pipering, Rodney's Glory, The Garden of Daisies
The Ace and Deuce of Pipering, Rodney's Glory
The Frieze Britches, The Wandering Minstrel, Fasten the Leg in Her
The Bucks of Oranmore, Rakish Paddy, The Wheels of the World
Cherish the Ladies, Maid in the Meadow, Fasten the Leg in Her, Coleman's Cross
Dunmore Lassies, Gilbert Clancy's, The College Groves
Hornpipe, Pol Ha'Penny, The Cuckoo, The Western
The Banks of the Silvery Tide (sung)
Jenny's Chickens, The Reel of Mullinavat, Reel, Connemara Stockings, Green Fields of America
Chat #14
Martin Wynne's #2, Moving Bogs, Jenny's Chickens, Reel of Mullinavat
Chat #15
Eileen Curran, Star of Munster, Moving Bogs, Rolling In The Barrel, Moving Bogs
The Liffey Banks, Boys of Ballisodare, Woman of the House, Tansey's, Graf Spey, Ballinsloe Fair
Thanks for the tune titles, Will. Let me know if you get a chance to ID the others.
✍, that's an amazing list -- you must have spent days waiting for all that stuff to download. That archive site is the slowest site I've experienced since probably the mid 1990s. I've been listening to Dragut Reis's BBC archive collection of Bobby Casey for a while now: http://ceolalainn.blogspot.com/2009/10/bobby-casey-bbc-archive-recordings-1966.html but didn't realize there was more to be had. I'm going back for more! Thanks.
Download? Download? What is this download? When I was a kid we didn't download, we walked five miles in the snow without shoes to get a fresh plate of rocks to eat, and we were happy too!
I'm not in the UK, so all I can do is listen to the files and capture resulting audio. As BBC puts it: "If you are in a licensed UK higher or further education institution you can
* Search all recordings on the site
* Listen to the recordings and download them
* Add notes and tags and create a favourites list"
"Everyone can
* Search all recordings on the site
* Listen to recordings where copyright permits - currently over 22,900 items
* View notes and tags added by other users"
"All recordings on Archival Sound Recording are available for free to staff and students UK higher and further education institutions. Librarians of UK higher and further education institutions can request a free license from asr@bl.uk."
It's ironic that they would provide this to students and use a run on sentence in the proviso.
I've been doing the audio capture thing for a long time - cue up tracks, copy paste titles, have a project at hand or surf web while they play. This BC stuff was about the biggest project I've ever tackled, too - they have more stuff for these LP sessions than some sites provide in their entirety. Results are nice to have, perhaps it isn't entirely necessary - I suppose you could stream the files on your iPhone while walking about or something. But what if the connection craps out? And sometimes these sites change their minds about providing the music, or run out of funds.
Haven't listened to it yet and won't bother tonight, as am knackered due to long hike and a six person Land Rover bivvy last night. But there is a three or possibly four part version of Rakish Paddy knocking about.
On a random note, there's also a third part to the Mountain Road.
Track 6. the 2nd waltz is The Exhibition waltz, title by John Doherty. I first heard it on TV series, The Irish RM in the 1980s under title Mrs Cadogan's Waltz, played by Jackie Daley and Frankie Gavin
There are 6 parts to the Mountain Road, TSS, at least as Gorman composed it. There's an older tune that is obviously a precurser to it, too. And I believe it is a four part Rakish Paddy that comes via Willie Clancy (although where from ultimately, I do not know).
Thanks for all the replies. I just realized that the last tune on track #3 is Woman of the House. Going by ✍'s list, the first two tunes could be Farewell to Connaught and Jackson's (Dublin Reel in G) but I don't know those tunes well enough to be sure.
That 2nd waltz is Mrs. Kenny's, http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/480 Or rather The Men of the West, that was the title on the original Coleman 78, which I got wrong here, as did the person who submitted that tune. Maybe The Exhibition is the original title, nothing about that at Fiddler's Companion though. The Men of the West is sung to the tune of Roisin the Bow now, btw.
Someone should transcribe Coleman's 2nd tune, it's very nice, goes up to the high D. Might just be some chestnut I'm not recognizing. Maybe it's the old melody for Men of the West...it's on the Enduring Magic CD for the curious.
Coleman supposedly composed the additional 2 parts of Rakish Paddy, too. Didn't record them on his take of the tune, however.
"Rakish Paddy" was derived from the Scottish pipe-tune "Caberfeidh". I've never heard it suggested that Coleman composed 2 "additional" parts. The original tune, "Caberfeidh" was a 4 part tune already.
Those were different parts, composed independently, possibly before Coleman's time - not up on GHB music. But these 2 parts were first recorded by James Morrison on a 78 and the story was that Coleman came up with them. It's nothing extraordinary, just people futzing about with the music on their own. Scots pipers composed additional parts for the Mason's Apron, too, which have nothing to do with the Irish variations, which derive from Seán Maguire I think.
Joe --
Track 1 = College Groves/Colonel Frasier
Track 3 = The Ragged Hank of Yarn/The Dublin Reel/The Woman of the House
Track 4 = Tralee Gaol Polka/Glenside Polka (these may not be Bobby Casey's names for them)
Track 5, second tune = Strike the Gay Harp
Track 6 is listed as Untitled/Mrs Kenny's on the Bobby Casey "Spirit of West Clare" album
Track 8 is indeed Hurry the Jug
Track 9 ends with Poll Ha'penny -- I don't have a name for the first tune
That's all I have so far...
Bobby Casey tunes?
Bobby Casey tunes?
I was poking around in the online British Library archival sound recordings http://sounds.bl.uk/Default.aspx and came across a bunch of unreleased Bobby Casey tracks from the 70s, recorded by Reg Hall and Bill Leader for an LP that never materialized. Bobby plays mostly solo but on a few tracks he plays with other unidentified musicians on fiddle, flute and melodeon (I’m guessing it’s Reg on melodeon). I cherry picked my favorite tracks and downloaded 14 of them.
I wonder if folks could help me ID some of the tunes. Most of them are really familiar but I can’t place them. I’ve converted them to .mp3s and placed them in a zipped file here:
http://joefago.com/BobbyCasey.zip
Here’s the track list that I’ve worked out so far:
1. Unidentified Reel #1 (3:59)
2. Unidentified Reels #2 (4:28)
3. Unidentified Reels #3 (4:11)
4. Unidentified Reel #4 w/ flute (2:15)
5. Unidentified Jigs (2:38)
6. Unidentified Waltz or Mazurka (4:47)
7. Sounds like the Bucks but different from what I know – Lucy Campbell, maybe? (5:24)
8. Hurry the Jug? (1:53)
9. Poll Ha'penny (2:57)
10. Banish Misfortune (2:54)
11. The Cliffs of Moher (2:50)
12. The Ace and Deuce of Pipering (5:12)
13. Jackie Coleman's (2:06)
14. The Carraroe Jig w/ melodeon(?) (3:25)
Any help is greatly appreciated!
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by fidkid
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Also, here's a good related thread:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/22613/comments#comment468575
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by fidkid
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Gotta run to work, just listened to a few:
Track 1 is the College Groves
Track 2 is Mother's Delight into Jenny's Welcome to Charlie
Track 5 starts with The Nightingale (aka Sean Ryan's)
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by Will Harmon
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
P.S. Thanks for posting these!
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by Will Harmon
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Been there, done that. Track list for BC BBC LP:
Reel
Lucy Campbell, Rakish Paddy
Lucy Campbell, Rakish Paddy (again)
Idle Road Waltz, Mrs Kenny's
Sound Check
The Laurel Tree (tin whistle)
Pol Ha'penny
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's (fragments)
Sound Check #2
Master Crowley's #2
Sound Check #3
The Frost is All Over
Reel (lilted)
Mama's Pet
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's (fragments) (again)
The Flower of Sweet Strabane (sung)
Master Crowley's #2 (again)
Mama's Pet (again)
Sound Check #4
The Frost is All Over (again)
Chat
The Ashplant
The Clare Reel
Kitty's Gone A Milking
The Ashplant (again)
The High Reel
Chat #2
The High Reel
The Dash to Portobello
Chat #3
Seven Nights Drunk
Pol Ha'penny (again)
Bantry Bay Hornpipe
Polka and Chat
Reel
Chat #4
Molly Durkin, Polka
Murphy's Hornpipe
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing
Sporting Nell
Chat #5
Morrison's Jig, Whelan's
Reel
Old Scottish Jig
The Bird in the Tree
The Porthole of the Kelp
Dowd's #9
Kitty's Gone A Milking (again)
Hurry The Jug
Jackie Coleman's
Hurry The Jug (again)
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing (again)
The Broken Pledge
Jockey to the Fair
The Dogs Among the Bushes (whistle)
Tear the Calico (lilted and whistled)
The Pigeon on the Gate
Banks of the Silvery Tide
Chattering Magpie, Miss Thornton (whistle)
The Ship in Full Sail, The Mist In The Meadow
Practice
Jackie Coleman's (again)
Dunmore Lassies (whistle)
The Jolly Tinker, The Pretty Girls of Mayo
Connamara Stockings, Ships are Sailing (once again)
Jenny's Welcome to Charlie
The Gallowglass, The Legacy Jig
The Banks of the Suir
The Gallowglass, The Legacy Jig (again)
Chat #7
As I Went Out Upon The Ice, Polka
Paddy Ryan's Dream
Chat #8
The Banks of the Suir (again)
Chat #9
The Limestone Rock, The Hut in the Bog
March
Master Crowley's #2, The Morning Dew
The Jolly Tinker, The Pretty Girls of Mayo (again)
Fairwell To Miltown Malbay, Star of Munster
Song, Chat
Reel (again)
Bonnie Kate
The Nightingale, Strike the Gay Harp
The Cliffs of Moher (G), Bryan O'Lynn
Sean O Duibhir A'ghleanna
The Dear Irish Boy
Chat #12
The Dear Irish Boy (again)
The Custom Gap, The College Groves
Air (whistle)
Song
Chat #10
The Cliffs of Moher (G), Bryan O'Lynn (again)
Banish Misfortune, Kitty's Rambles
Banish Misfortune, Kitty's Rambles (again)
The Frieze Britches
The Stranger, Rodney's Glory
The Woman of the House, Cooley's
The Enchanted Lady, The Holy Land
Chat #11
The Frieze Britches (again)
Apples in Winter, Gillan's Apples
Chief O'Neill's Hornpipe, The Rights of Man
The Scotsman Over the Border, Morrison's
The Sunshine Hornpipe, The Cuckoo Hornpipe
Strike the Gay Harp, The Legacy
The Queen of the Fair, The Scotsman Over the Border
Sheehan's, The High Reel
Pol Ha'penny, Hornpipe
Jenny's Welcome to Charlie, My Love is in America
Chat about Morrison's and Whelan's Jigs
Humours of Tulla, The Skylark, Roaring Mary
Lucy Campbell, Toss the Feathers
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier
Memories of Ballymote, Gurteen Cross Polkas
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier (again)
The College Groves, Colonel Frasier (again) (again)
Farewell To Connaught, Jackson's (Dublin Reel in G), The Woman of the House
The Three Sea Captains, Hurry the Jug
Mother's Delight, Jenny's Welcome to Charlie
Scully Casey's, Maid in the Meadow, The Wandering Minstrel, Coleman's Cross
Colonel Frasier, Toss the Feathers
Chat #13
The Ace and Deuce of Pipering, Rodney's Glory, The Garden of Daisies
The Ace and Deuce of Pipering, Rodney's Glory
The Frieze Britches, The Wandering Minstrel, Fasten the Leg in Her
The Bucks of Oranmore, Rakish Paddy, The Wheels of the World
Cherish the Ladies, Maid in the Meadow, Fasten the Leg in Her, Coleman's Cross
Dunmore Lassies, Gilbert Clancy's, The College Groves
Hornpipe, Pol Ha'Penny, The Cuckoo, The Western
The Banks of the Silvery Tide (sung)
Jenny's Chickens, The Reel of Mullinavat, Reel, Connemara Stockings, Green Fields of America
Chat #14
Martin Wynne's #2, Moving Bogs, Jenny's Chickens, Reel of Mullinavat
Chat #15
Eileen Curran, Star of Munster, Moving Bogs, Rolling In The Barrel, Moving Bogs
The Liffey Banks, Boys of Ballisodare, Woman of the House, Tansey's, Graf Spey, Ballinsloe Fair
Dragut Reis posted some of this at his blog.
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by KLR
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Thanks for the tune titles, Will. Let me know if you get a chance to ID the others.
✍, that's an amazing list -- you must have spent days waiting for all that stuff to download. That archive site is the slowest site I've experienced since probably the mid 1990s. I've been listening to Dragut Reis's BBC archive collection of Bobby Casey for a while now: http://ceolalainn.blogspot.com/2009/10/bobby-casey-bbc-archive-recordings-1966.html but didn't realize there was more to be had. I'm going back for more! Thanks.
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by fidkid
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
This is very Important stuff here to the ITM lovers '''
thanks for Posting -
jim,,,
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by FIDDLE4
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Download? Download? What is this download? When I was a kid we didn't download, we walked five miles in the snow without shoes to get a fresh plate of rocks to eat, and we were happy too!
I'm not in the UK, so all I can do is listen to the files and capture resulting audio. As BBC puts it: "If you are in a licensed UK higher or further education institution you can
* Search all recordings on the site
* Listen to the recordings and download them
* Add notes and tags and create a favourites list"
"Everyone can
* Search all recordings on the site
* Listen to recordings where copyright permits - currently over 22,900 items
* View notes and tags added by other users"
"All recordings on Archival Sound Recording are available for free to staff and students UK higher and further education institutions. Librarians of UK higher and further education institutions can request a free license from asr@bl.uk."
It's ironic that they would provide this to students and use a run on sentence in the proviso.
I've been doing the audio capture thing for a long time - cue up tracks, copy paste titles, have a project at hand or surf web while they play. This BC stuff was about the biggest project I've ever tackled, too - they have more stuff for these LP sessions than some sites provide in their entirety. Results are nice to have, perhaps it isn't entirely necessary - I suppose you could stream the files on your iPhone while walking about or something. But what if the connection craps out? And sometimes these sites change their minds about providing the music, or run out of funds.
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by KLR
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
The 2 tunes following the Carraroe jig on track 14 are Cailleach an Airgid and Morrison's.
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by Pat Mustard
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Track 7 is definitely Lucy Campbell's, but it's followed by The Bucks and then what sounds like Rakish Paddy but with more than the usual 2 parts
# Posted on December 6th 2010 by Pat Mustard
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Haven't listened to it yet and won't bother tonight, as am knackered due to long hike and a six person Land Rover bivvy last night. But there is a three or possibly four part version of Rakish Paddy knocking about.
On a random note, there's also a third part to the Mountain Road.
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by DrSilverSpear
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Track 6. the 2nd waltz is The Exhibition waltz, title by John Doherty. I first heard it on TV series, The Irish RM in the 1980s under title Mrs Cadogan's Waltz, played by Jackie Daley and Frankie Gavin
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by PaddyLeFlir
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
There are 6 parts to the Mountain Road, TSS, at least as Gorman composed it. There's an older tune that is obviously a precurser to it, too. And I believe it is a four part Rakish Paddy that comes via Willie Clancy (although where from ultimately, I do not know).
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by Nico
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
http://www.cranfordpub.com/tunes/Irish/Mountain_Road.htm
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by Nico
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Thanks for all the replies. I just realized that the last tune on track #3 is Woman of the House. Going by ✍'s list, the first two tunes could be Farewell to Connaught and Jackson's (Dublin Reel in G) but I don't know those tunes well enough to be sure.
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by fidkid
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
That 2nd waltz is Mrs. Kenny's, http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/480 Or rather The Men of the West, that was the title on the original Coleman 78, which I got wrong here, as did the person who submitted that tune. Maybe The Exhibition is the original title, nothing about that at Fiddler's Companion though. The Men of the West is sung to the tune of Roisin the Bow now, btw.
Someone should transcribe Coleman's 2nd tune, it's very nice, goes up to the high D. Might just be some chestnut I'm not recognizing. Maybe it's the old melody for Men of the West...it's on the Enduring Magic CD for the curious.
Coleman supposedly composed the additional 2 parts of Rakish Paddy, too. Didn't record them on his take of the tune, however.
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by KLR
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
"Rakish Paddy" was derived from the Scottish pipe-tune "Caberfeidh". I've never heard it suggested that Coleman composed 2 "additional" parts. The original tune, "Caberfeidh" was a 4 part tune already.
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by Kenny
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Those were different parts, composed independently, possibly before Coleman's time - not up on GHB music. But these 2 parts were first recorded by James Morrison on a 78 and the story was that Coleman came up with them. It's nothing extraordinary, just people futzing about with the music on their own. Scots pipers composed additional parts for the Mason's Apron, too, which have nothing to do with the Irish variations, which derive from Seán Maguire I think.
# Posted on December 7th 2010 by KLR
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
OK Silver Spear, I can't wait any more -- I want to hear details about the 6 person bivvy in the Land Rover.
# Posted on December 8th 2010 by fidkid
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Joe --
Track 1 = College Groves/Colonel Frasier
Track 3 = The Ragged Hank of Yarn/The Dublin Reel/The Woman of the House
Track 4 = Tralee Gaol Polka/Glenside Polka (these may not be Bobby Casey's names for them)
Track 5, second tune = Strike the Gay Harp
Track 6 is listed as Untitled/Mrs Kenny's on the Bobby Casey "Spirit of West Clare" album
Track 8 is indeed Hurry the Jug
Track 9 ends with Poll Ha'penny -- I don't have a name for the first tune
That's all I have so far...
# Posted on December 9th 2010 by Pat Wilcox
Re: Bobby Casey tunes?
Thanks, Pat!
# Posted on December 9th 2010 by fidkid