These are two of the most harmonically straight forward tunes in the repertoir. You really should be aiming for being able to work them out for yourself.
So, assisting someone to see how the chords fit with the music is a disservice?
I developed my playing with a combination of listening, watching, asking, abd being shown. Now I have an intuitive instinct in my playing, but that needed developing, just like my ear needed developing.
If the poster gains an insight to fitting chords to tunes by being shown initially he/she may well go on to develop their intuitive instinct for chords for other tunes.
I don't know the chords, but someone please pass them on in the knowledge that llig is not always right.
In fact, his lack of encouragement is certainly not typical in the musical circles I am familiar with, it is just predictable and boring.
llig, is blunt sometimes often I'd like to call him lots of nasty names, especially when he's being needlessly obtuse, but on a fair few occasions he's spot on even if his bedside manner leaves much to be desired.
Ha, that reminds me of a scene in that American sit com Friends (my girlfriend made me watch it, honest) where Phoebe has a stand off with another girl singer songwriter who has pinched her regular slot in the Café:
Phoebe, "Oh yeah ... OH YEAH .... So ... how many chords do you know?"
Interloper, "All of 'em"
Phoebe - dumbstruck.
kesh jig,
g 1 bar, d 1bar]g 1 bar.[ c or emi halfbar] d major half bar]
g 1 bar, d major 1 bar,g half bar c half bar, d half bar g half bar.
second part,g 1 bar, c half bar g half bar,g 1 bar, d 1 bar, g 1bar, c half bar g half bar,g half bar d half bar, g full bar.
that should help you get near enough you will probably want to make slight adjustments, for your own individual taste.
keep the rhythym simple .
listen to the melody player, a good starting point is to emphasise the first and fourth beats with the thumb, mixing with a pluck on the third and sixth beat, or sometimes up picks on 23 56 beats, with occasional strum down on first and fourth beat.
imo
where the player taps his feet for jigs should be the place where MOST but not necessarily all of the time the player picks down with his thumb on a bass string
"I did not say use boom chick exclusively.
it depends on whether the player is playing guitar for dancing, or not, if playing for dancing, copying the piano part in Comhatas ceilidh bands might be a good idea"
It depends on nothing. Don't use boom-chuck. Period.
Okay, maybe in polkas and slides, but that's it. Never on a jig or a reel.
Why would you tell someone you don't know what they can or cannot play? Is this some form of neo facism?
With regards to boom chuck It depends who's playing it and in what style.
A lot of the older stuff in America has reels recorded with that bounce, so the accompaniment tended to go that way. So, as a direct result so does a lot of the new stuff that tries to encapsulate that older stuff.
I'm guessing you know - but I can provide examples if you'd like?
I hate to agree with Hugo, who is on a mighty roll today, but I do. When Dermot Byrne was young he played with a really interesting guitar player called Sean Con Johnnie(?).He played in the boom chuck and it might have been the nicest backing Dermot has ever had. There was a charm and warmth to it that suited Donegal tunes and he was a wild man too and that always helps. I think he still plays in sessions around Glen and Carrick.
Speaking of Dermot Byrne he is on Radio na Gaeltachta this very minute along with Martín O'Connor and Steve Cooney live and they are playing gorgeous stuff.
terry433iid, A few years ago, after realizing I was typing some of the same advice over and over, I put an essay on accompanying sessions into my profile, so click on my user name here, and take a look. No specific chords for specific tunes there, but some basic information that will help you find the chords for yourself. If you are at the stage where you are asking for chords for the Kesh, you are probably at the stage where some of the advice will be useful to you. I can't take credit for any of the stuff posted in the article, I learned it all from musicians far better than me.
Good luck!
Al - your modesty is becoming, and quite unearned. We all learn this stuff somewhere (unless we don't see some previous posts for examples) but presenting it well isn't easy, and you can and should take credit for it.
I might quibble with you about some of the details, but what you say, you say clearly and well, and you should be happy with what you've written.
Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here, but that Ann Conroy Burke-esque accompaniment wouldn't really do it for me I'm afraid...Uninteresting, repetitive, uninspiring etc. Adds nothing to the music in my humble opinion. And if it don't add nothing...Well... Ya get the picture (No offence Ann. You're lovely! )
And as for yer man who wants the chords to the Kesh jig...God help the poor fiddle player who launches into The Golden Eagle or The Newly-Mown Meadows etc....
Just got around to listening to that clip (I'd say I was afraid it'd turn out to be Dick, but no, it's just that I've finally got home and had dinner). Dick, do you actually know what "boom-chuck" accompaniment is? If you do, can you please explain why you're posting this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGbgF7Uy3V4
as an argument in favor of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fKsoCXvctY
If what you meant to say is "I like simple little fingerpicking patterns with bass runs", then sure, that can sound nice. No argument from me. Why didn't you just say that?
looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
I have scoured the web and can't find DADGAD chords for cooleys' reel, and the kesh jig
Any guitar players out there who can help me out?
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by terry433iid
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
These are two of the most harmonically straight forward tunes in the repertoir. You really should be aiming for being able to work them out for yourself.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
And before you say that's not being very helpful, it's the person who does give you the chords (in a few posts below) who is doing you the disservice.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
So, assisting someone to see how the chords fit with the music is a disservice?
I developed my playing with a combination of listening, watching, asking, abd being shown. Now I have an intuitive instinct in my playing, but that needed developing, just like my ear needed developing.
If the poster gains an insight to fitting chords to tunes by being shown initially he/she may well go on to develop their intuitive instinct for chords for other tunes.
I don't know the chords, but someone please pass them on in the knowledge that llig is not always right.
In fact, his lack of encouragement is certainly not typical in the musical circles I am familiar with, it is just predictable and boring.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
You think I'm not being encouraging?
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Bluntness is hardly encouraging. Wake up!
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Based on a previous post it would seem the OP is actually a child, clearly taking a bold step in his/her search for knowledge.
Perhaps you might think, before you post in your usual style, as to whom the comments are addressed.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Well, posting on behalf of a child is what I should have said!
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
llig, is blunt sometimes often I'd like to call him lots of nasty names, especially when he's being needlessly obtuse, but on a fair few occasions he's spot on even if his bedside manner leaves much to be desired.
On this occasion he'd bang on.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Solidmahog
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
That would be; "He's"
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Solidmahog
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"Based on a previous post it would seem the OP is actually a child"
Their previous post begins, "Hi folks, I have a six year old ..."
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Blunt? Ha
kid, "Dad ... I can't get down ... it's too high"
dad, "Jump."
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
LOL. Great, now chords please?
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Em
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Thank you! It is a start...
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Opps, posted too early -
It is a startling bit of encouragement. Someone has clearly hit the right chord.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Feargal French
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Unless, of course, you're playing with someone who has a lovely set of flat pipes in B, then it would be C#min.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
I think you've gotta tune up and play along to a recording. A good one.
For starters..
NOT THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYRkk0q8j3Y&feature=related
You'll find your own way then.
I'll give you a helper for Cooleys.
Put in the odd a7'th in between the Em and the D - make sure EVERYONE hears it.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/omos-do-joe-cooley/id353802411
Might be different key, but tune up nonetheless and get urself a capo.
Buy this album and listen to it a lot.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Buy this album too.
Out on the ocean is on it.
Listen to this one when you are not listening to the other one.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/molloy-brady-peoples/id288724313
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
ha, or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do0khWULVgI
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icztj2YuRLQ
or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmvkxfoGrBI
It's too easy ... shooting fish in a barrel.
(I daren't try it with the kesh jig. It'll be like shooting tuna in a can)
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Trollolol!
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Dragut Reis
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
The Butterfly...
That's one I only hear in Japan A LOT.
Me playing that on the banjo is like smacking the tuna can against your head.
Learn to sit some tunes out.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
http://lesbamber.co.uk/lb1/dadgad2.pdf
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Solidmahog
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Ha, that reminds me of a scene in that American sit com Friends (my girlfriend made me watch it, honest) where Phoebe has a stand off with another girl singer songwriter who has pinched her regular slot in the Café:
Phoebe, "Oh yeah ... OH YEAH .... So ... how many chords do you know?"
Interloper, "All of 'em"
Phoebe - dumbstruck.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
The other guitarist is your one from the Pretenders...
Chrissy whatever...
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Oh yeah, I remember now. ha ha. Hind sight eh?
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
http://banwarth.free.fr/engguitare.htm
celticguitarmusic.com
maybe these can help
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by christofloffer
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
blimey, some of those charts reminded me of the other classic:
What's the difference between a rock guitar player and a jazz guitar player?
One plays three chords to thousands of people .....
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Did you see the one with Chris Isaac?
My missus made me watch it too..
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
kesh jig,
g 1 bar, d 1bar]g 1 bar.[ c or emi halfbar] d major half bar]
g 1 bar, d major 1 bar,g half bar c half bar, d half bar g half bar.
second part,g 1 bar, c half bar g half bar,g 1 bar, d 1 bar, g 1bar, c half bar g half bar,g half bar d half bar, g full bar.
that should help you get near enough you will probably want to make slight adjustments, for your own individual taste.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Dick Miles
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Terry,
I'm not a guitarist, but even I can follow the chords here. Take a look at this for the Kesh...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE52lmx8T8w&feature=channel
He starts to lilt the tune over the picking pattern. Please, please don't attempt any of the flamenco stuff though
I suspect if you trawl enough of these demos you'll find Cooley's - it's popular enough.
Cheers,
Eno
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by bc_box_player
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
keep the rhythym simple .
listen to the melody player, a good starting point is to emphasise the first and fourth beats with the thumb, mixing with a pluck on the third and sixth beat, or sometimes up picks on 23 56 beats, with occasional strum down on first and fourth beat.
imo
where the player taps his feet for jigs should be the place where MOST but not necessarily all of the time the player picks down with his thumb on a bass string
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Dick Miles
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Thanks for that link bc box. That fellah is tasty enough and gentle enough to learn from.Good stuff.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by big_tab
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"I don't know the chords, but someone please pass them on in the knowledge that llig is not always right"
This was a wonderfully revealing line, considering the tunes in question.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"listen to the melody player,"
You started out well... learn to quit while you're ahead...
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"I did not say use boom chick exclusively."
that's right, it's chick chick, boom! sometimes of course.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Skull Duggeraigh Dubh
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"I did not say use boom chick exclusively.
it depends on whether the player is playing guitar for dancing, or not, if playing for dancing, copying the piano part in Comhatas ceilidh bands might be a good idea"
It depends on nothing. Don't use boom-chuck. Period.
Okay, maybe in polkas and slides, but that's it. Never on a jig or a reel.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Jonny dear,
Why would you tell someone you don't know what they can or cannot play? Is this some form of neo facism?
With regards to boom chuck It depends who's playing it and in what style.
A lot of the older stuff in America has reels recorded with that bounce, so the accompaniment tended to go that way. So, as a direct result so does a lot of the new stuff that tries to encapsulate that older stuff.
I'm guessing you know - but I can provide examples if you'd like?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mQuQtNA9yk&feature=related
Go to the 5 minute mark.
PS jon - that tune is none of one of your aforementioned tune types.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Godwin, discussion's over.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Ha.
you're right though.
It is.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
I hate to agree with Hugo, who is on a mighty roll today, but I do. When Dermot Byrne was young he played with a really interesting guitar player called Sean Con Johnnie(?).He played in the boom chuck and it might have been the nicest backing Dermot has ever had. There was a charm and warmth to it that suited Donegal tunes and he was a wild man too and that always helps. I think he still plays in sessions around Glen and Carrick.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by big_tab
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
"I agree with Hugo,"
Posted on November 11th 2010 by big_tab
Ah, confirmation. Thanks, tabs.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Thanks yourself Jon. Confirmation you misread posts. You got the message but made a bollix of the quote!
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by big_tab
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Speaking of Dermot Byrne he is on Radio na Gaeltachta this very minute along with Martín O'Connor and Steve Cooney live and they are playing gorgeous stuff.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by big_tab
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
I've had manflue over the last few days.
Usually I'm working.
Right now I'm typing this watching Jeremy Kyle.
I can't wait to get better.
I'm beginning to appreciate the likes of yourselves who are on here all the time. No wonder you're all dix.
Regarding Tabber,
Of course he'd agree with me. There's nothing to disagree with.
I posted the proof and like I said - there's more.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Hugo Chavez
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
terry433iid, A few years ago, after realizing I was typing some of the same advice over and over, I put an essay on accompanying sessions into my profile, so click on my user name here, and take a look. No specific chords for specific tunes there, but some basic information that will help you find the chords for yourself. If you are at the stage where you are asking for chords for the Kesh, you are probably at the stage where some of the advice will be useful to you. I can't take credit for any of the stuff posted in the article, I learned it all from musicians far better than me.
Good luck!
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by AlBrown
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Al - your modesty is becoming, and quite unearned. We all learn this stuff somewhere (unless we don't see some previous posts for examples) but presenting it well isn't easy, and you can and should take credit for it.
I might quibble with you about some of the details, but what you say, you say clearly and well, and you should be happy with what you've written.
# Posted on November 11th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here, but that Ann Conroy Burke-esque accompaniment wouldn't really do it for me I'm afraid...Uninteresting, repetitive, uninspiring etc. Adds nothing to the music in my humble opinion. And if it don't add nothing...Well... Ya get the picture (No offence Ann. You're lovely!
)
# Posted on November 12th 2010 by laguacamaya
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
And as for yer man who wants the chords to the Kesh jig...God help the poor fiddle player who launches into The Golden Eagle or The Newly-Mown Meadows etc....
# Posted on November 12th 2010 by laguacamaya
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
ha ha, yeah
# Posted on November 12th 2010 by ...
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Just got around to listening to that clip (I'd say I was afraid it'd turn out to be Dick, but no, it's just that I've finally got home and had dinner). Dick, do you actually know what "boom-chuck" accompaniment is? If you do, can you please explain why you're posting this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGbgF7Uy3V4
as an argument in favor of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fKsoCXvctY
If what you meant to say is "I like simple little fingerpicking patterns with bass runs", then sure, that can sound nice. No argument from me. Why didn't you just say that?
# Posted on November 12th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: looking for DADGAD chords for 2 tunes
Hmmm..........
# Posted on November 12th 2010 by laguacamaya