hi just wanted to know what the three tunes are in this set, i believe it's tarbolton, sailor's bonnet, and....?....or i may be completeley wrong on all 3????
I like to throw the Tarbolton into sets fairly frequently and go into something else *usually in G) afterwards, but the entire session often launches automatically into The Longford Collector.
I'm of the opinion (and I know I'm not alone on this) that all 3 of these tunes are quite lovely, just not all together as a set. Yeah, I know it's "traditional" to play them together because Coleman did, but just because Coleman did it doesn't automatically mean it's great. Don't believe me? I would refer you to the "ending" he tacks on to "Jenny's Chickens". A, G#, A? YACK! So again I say, "free the Tarbolton Three". Viva la revolucion!
anyone know origins of the Tarbolton? I also sometimes want to liberate it from this set, though it can be good fun to play the 3, it can also sometimes feel a bit predictable
>> but just because Coleman did it doesn't automatically mean it's great <<
True. But the fact that 3 or 4 generations of Irish musicians since Coleman's era have chosen to play them is a pretty good indication that it IS great.
By all means combine them with other tunes in sets, be as inventive as you like and fair play to you. But surely you don't need to denigrate the musical choices others have made in order to justify your own preferences.
Fair enough, Dave. I suppose the way I should have put it is that I personally don't like the tunes together as a set, and left it at that. As far as 3 or 4 generations choosing to play them as a set, however, I refer to my all-time favorite song title (by punk rock icons The Minutemen); "The Roar of the Masses Could Be Farts"! By your logic, McDonald's is great food; BILLIONS of people have eaten it, so it must be excellent. Keeping in mind that it's only my opinion, I think those 3 or 4 generations chose to play the tunes as a set simply because it was "Traditional" to play them together. I believe its longevity as a set has much more to do with the fact that ITM is an extremely conservative tradition, rather than it being a well thought out, carefully considered grouping of tunes. In the liner notes to his latest CD, Ben Lennon says he can remember that, before those great recordings of the 20's & 30's, tunes were typically played alone, not in sets. This means that the idea of "sets" of tunes was a relatively new concept in Coleman's time. I'm guessing tunes were put into medleys to give the music buyer more "bang for the buck". It may very well be that Coleman put them together on the spot without much thought as to whether or not they would sound good together. Over the years, Coleman's status as a fiddler grew to "legendary", and voila! "The Great Michael Coleman put those together, Johnny, so if you really want to learn the fiddle, you'll learn the set!" A conservative tradition resists change, so much so that if one were to ask why things are done a certain way, hardly anybody would be able to remember back far enough to give an answer other than "I don't know, that's just the way it's always been done". Herd mentality is herd mentality, be it about bad burgers or bad tune sets. At some point, if one is able to discriminate good from bad, then one should!
Easy Jay, it's just a set of tunes. We've played them together many times - forward & backwards. My basic feeling abut the set when it starts up is "This is gonna be a long one"
jaychoons.Great to agree with you.Mighty tunes seperately but when played as a set I am always sorry I havent gone to the toilet .Dont care who played them.I never listen to Coleman anyway.
There are plenty of tune sets that Coleman recorded that are NOT played together all the time now. The ones that work best will stand the test of time, and the others will be discarded. That's how the tradition works.
what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
hi just wanted to know what the three tunes are in this set, i believe it's tarbolton, sailor's bonnet, and....?....or i may be completeley wrong on all 3????
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by andythebox
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
The classic 'Tarbolton Set' is
The Tarbolton
The Longford Collector
The Sailor's Bonnet
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by Pat Mustard
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
I like to throw the Tarbolton into sets fairly frequently and go into something else *usually in G) afterwards, but the entire session often launches automatically into The Longford Collector.
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by Pat Mustard
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
cheers craic i had feeling it maybe longford collector but was'nt sure....so is it known as the tarbolton set or coleman's 3?
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by andythebox
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
'That Michael Coleman Set', 'The Tarbolton Set', 'The Tarbolton and the two that com after it'... I've heard it called all of those.
I'm sure people probably call it 'Coleman's 3' as well...
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by Pat Mustard
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
lol know what you mean....cheers anyway
# Posted on July 28th 2010 by andythebox
Re: Free The Tarbolton Three!
I'm of the opinion (and I know I'm not alone on this) that all 3 of these tunes are quite lovely, just not all together as a set. Yeah, I know it's "traditional" to play them together because Coleman did, but just because Coleman did it doesn't automatically mean it's great. Don't believe me? I would refer you to the "ending" he tacks on to "Jenny's Chickens". A, G#, A? YACK! So again I say, "free the Tarbolton Three". Viva la revolucion!
# Posted on July 29th 2010 by jaychoons
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
Count me in, jaychoonz.
# Posted on July 29th 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
its actually G, F#, G.......lovely
# Posted on July 29th 2010 by onions mcginty
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
anyone know origins of the Tarbolton? I also sometimes want to liberate it from this set, though it can be good fun to play the 3, it can also sometimes feel a bit predictable
# Posted on July 29th 2010 by peter wsll
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
Bet we are Gonna get b*****kd by the hardcore traditionalists now for this blasphemy :}
# Posted on July 29th 2010 by peter wsll
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
>> but just because Coleman did it doesn't automatically mean it's great <<
True. But the fact that 3 or 4 generations of Irish musicians since Coleman's era have chosen to play them is a pretty good indication that it IS great.
By all means combine them with other tunes in sets, be as inventive as you like and fair play to you. But surely you don't need to denigrate the musical choices others have made in order to justify your own preferences.
# Posted on July 30th 2010 by DaveL35
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
Fair enough, Dave. I suppose the way I should have put it is that I personally don't like the tunes together as a set, and left it at that. As far as 3 or 4 generations choosing to play them as a set, however, I refer to my all-time favorite song title (by punk rock icons The Minutemen); "The Roar of the Masses Could Be Farts"! By your logic, McDonald's is great food; BILLIONS of people have eaten it, so it must be excellent. Keeping in mind that it's only my opinion, I think those 3 or 4 generations chose to play the tunes as a set simply because it was "Traditional" to play them together. I believe its longevity as a set has much more to do with the fact that ITM is an extremely conservative tradition, rather than it being a well thought out, carefully considered grouping of tunes. In the liner notes to his latest CD, Ben Lennon says he can remember that, before those great recordings of the 20's & 30's, tunes were typically played alone, not in sets. This means that the idea of "sets" of tunes was a relatively new concept in Coleman's time. I'm guessing tunes were put into medleys to give the music buyer more "bang for the buck". It may very well be that Coleman put them together on the spot without much thought as to whether or not they would sound good together. Over the years, Coleman's status as a fiddler grew to "legendary", and voila! "The Great Michael Coleman put those together, Johnny, so if you really want to learn the fiddle, you'll learn the set!" A conservative tradition resists change, so much so that if one were to ask why things are done a certain way, hardly anybody would be able to remember back far enough to give an answer other than "I don't know, that's just the way it's always been done". Herd mentality is herd mentality, be it about bad burgers or bad tune sets. At some point, if one is able to discriminate good from bad, then one should!
# Posted on July 31st 2010 by jaychoons
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
Easy Jay, it's just a set of tunes. We've played them together many times - forward & backwards. My basic feeling abut the set when it starts up is "This is gonna be a long one"
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by B Rad
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
PS Get over yourself. comparing coleman's music to a mcdonalds hamburger or an orchestra of farts, c'mon really?
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by B Rad
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
hey guys i olny asked what tunes were in the coleman's 3....war seems to be breaking out...anyone for a tune.........coleman's 3..LOL!!!
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by andythebox
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
jaychoons.Great to agree with you.Mighty tunes seperately but when played as a set I am always sorry I havent gone to the toilet .Dont care who played them.I never listen to Coleman anyway.
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by big_tab
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
There are plenty of tune sets that Coleman recorded that are NOT played together all the time now. The ones that work best will stand the test of time, and the others will be discarded. That's how the tradition works.
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by DaveL35
Re: what are 3 tunes in coleman's 3
The tradition works in many different ways for many different people.
# Posted on August 1st 2010 by big_tab