the first one that springs to mind is the musical priest,which appears to have originated as a strathspey[the north brig of edinburgh].anyone think of any more
miss mcleods reel.
I can think of lots of Scottish tunes that get played in Ireland though. And Irish tunes that get played in Scotland. But Irish tunes that come from Scotland????
If you look through a Scottish tunebook you will recognize a lot of tunes that are in the Irish trad repertoire. For example, the Mason's Apron. Reels originally came to Ireland from Scotland a few hundred years ago, although since then I am sure there has been significant cross pollination in both directions.
think I remember talk somewhere once; it might have been in Ballaghadreen....just can't think who the speaker was, but anyway, he said Scottish tunes are...
Reels:
- all the Jenny's...
- all the Miss...
(as in Jenny's Chickens, and Miss McLeod's as two examples)
...don't know how true or accurate that is, but it just came to mind now when i saw ur post.
There are a fair few irish tunes that headed over the channel to scotland also.
Among certain communities and people of a certain age, things can get a little snotty in scotland regarding the playing of irish tunes. This is nothing against the irish or their music but reflects peoples wish to hear what they regard as "their own music" and as each generation has it's own sounds this varies between people of different ages. I'm talking about people who were active listeners to SCD music of the 40's and 50's in the main.
Handy that so many scots tunes have been popular in ireland over the ages because the line, "here's one that thats been preserved by the irish that we've borrowed back", gives people a little possession and keeps them on side while we get down and crucial........ The lengths we go to to introduce people to new music, eh......
"There are a lot of Irish polkas that started their life as Strathspeys or Shetland reels."
I've never thought about the Shetland connection, particularly, or strathspeys becoming polkas - you could be right. But a lot of polkas and a good many slides are of Scottish origin:
Chase Me Charlie (Cock o' the North)
The Hair Fell Off Me Coconut (Wi' A Hundred Pipers)
Captain Byng (originally a reel)
The Lakes of Sligo (air to the song Lass o' Gowrie)
The Farewell to Whisky (sometimes known in Ireland, 'erroneously', as My Love is But a Lassie - i.e. that title is used for a completely different tune in Scotland)
A huge number of Irish reels are traceable to Scottish collections. Here are a few:
Lord McDondald
Lady Ann Montgomery
The Boyne Hunt (The Perthshire Hunt)
My Mary Ann (The Fife Hunt)
The Farewell to Ireland (strathspey: The Highland Watch's Farewell to Ireland)
Dogs Among the Bushes (strathspey: Atholl Brose - also played as a highland in Donegal)
There are also quite a lot of jigs derived from Scottish 6/8 marches:
The Scotsman Over The Border (All The Blue Bonnets Are Over The Border)
Mac's Fancy (MacDonald of the Isles' March to Harlaw)
Langstrom's Pony (I forget the name of the march)
The Burnt Old Man (The Campells Are Coming)
There are many more tunes that have one part in common with, or possess a general similarity to, a Scottish tune:
Rolling in The Ryegrass (1st part =3rd part of strathspey The Braes of Mar)
McFadden's Handsome Daughter (3rd part=1st part of The Duke of Perth)
Out On The Ocean (similar to The Rock And The Wee Pickle Tow)
Jackson's Bottle of Brandy (similar to The Campbells Are Coming/The Burnt Old Man)
Yes - It sounds like an oxymoron, Skreech. But I think it is important to make the distinction between a tune that has just recently been introduced to Ireland from Scotland and is played in much the same way as it would be in its country of origin, and a tune which has become integrated into and adapted to the Irish tradition over centuries. Of course, this distinction is not always clear-cut, especially in the most northerly counties of Ireland, where the musical links with Scotland are much stronger and more current. But there are tunes which have become so firmly embedded in the Irish tradition (despite sometimes retaining their Scottish titles) - Miss McLeod's, a favourite of dancers, being a prime example - that it is hard to deny them their Irish nationality.
As a child brought up in Scotland, I learned the song known as*The Tangle o' the Isles". Many years later, I heard my wife, who was raised in Ireland, singing the same tune in Irish to words that she was taught in school.
I always thought it was Scottish, but my wife (of course!) maintains that it's Irish.
Can anybody out there verify whether it is Scottish or Irish?
Also, "The Eagle's Whistle" (a march?) which The Boys of the Lough paired with*The Gates of then Yellow Town" - Is this Scottish or Irish?
There may be water between Larne and Stranraer, but people have had boats for many centuries now. The cultural border is highly porous. This is a chicken-and-egg question.
But Miss McLeod's IS a Scottish tune, whether you play it in Scotland or Ireland, it remains a Scottish tune. Only when you mangle a tune to the point where it becomes unrecognisable and could be construed as a new tune, might it change nationality.
It's one of my big bugbears art the moment - much as I love Irish music, I can't stand seeing Scottish tunes taken across the water, 'irishised' then brought back to Scotland. ITM, by its popularity, is destroying other traditions, not preserving them.
Any decent discussion on this web site has to have a reference to Schrödinger's cat, It's de riger.
There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played (by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually played, by people of either tradition, that they then become one or the other.
>There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played >(by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective >memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both >being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually >played, by people of either tradition, that they then become >one or the other.
Despite how odd that sounds, it is absolutely spot on.
"how do you irishizify a tune then?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by rumpole "
You take all the emotion out of it, stuff it full of extra notes, then play it way too fast.
On a more serious note, the difference between Scottish and irish styles is normally quite apparent (together with regional variations) A tune becomes Irish or Scottish depending on how you play it.
Most of the good tunes exist in both traditions (and in Canadian, American and other traditions) so you can never be sure where they originate from. Tune names are no help either, most old tunes have multiple names, so knowing a tune under a Scottish or Irish name tells you nothing about its origin.
So the only thing that is Scottish or Irish is the way you play the tune. And that is what I was railing against. Scottish players - particularly is sessions - playing tunes in an Irish style rather than the local vernacular.
"But Miss McLeod's IS a Scottish tune, whether you play it in Scotland or Ireland, it remains a Scottish tune."
But there is a distinctly Irish version (if not several) of it played in Ireland, that is quite distinct from (what I assume to be) its parent tune, Mrs. MacLeod of Raasay. In fact, you could almost regard them as *closely related* tunes, rather than versions of the same tune. Mother and daughter, perhaps.
"I can't stand seeing Scottish tunes taken across the water, 'irishised' then brought back to Scotland."
I haven't been to many sessions in Scotland, but I'm with you on that - among the Scottish players I have met, there seems a tendency to 'genericize' (not just 'Irishize') traditional music, mixing up Scots, Irish, American, Canadian, Scandinavian. I'm all for dipping into different traditions, but I sometimes wonder where all the grand old Scots tunes are, if not just lying dormant in 18th and 19th Century collections.
"There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played (by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually played, by people of either tradition, that they then become one or the other."
Yes - I like that. Except that I think that there is a tendency in Ireland to round off the corners of tunes, blur the contours. I have no problem with this - it's part of what makes Irish music Irish. But if a tune has been written down in a form that includes a lot of spikes and jagged edges, we might reasonably assume that to be a Scots setting of the tune. If an 'Irishized' tune comes back to Scotland, with its edges rounded off, it is always nice to know where the peaks and troughs used to be. A bit like knowing something of the local history of a place you visit.
"ITM, by its popularity, is destroying other traditions, not preserving them."
Then again, there were probably a few people in Ireland saying similar things about Scots music at some point. But nobody complains about all the old Scots tunes played in Ireland anymore. (Or perhaps they do...)
Irish trad (I will not use the Americanism) is certainly not destroying Scottish tradition. I would say it adds extra colour. The purer form of Scots trad remains unaffected, but there's also plenty room for cross-pollination. Don't be worrying about us.
It's been previously discussed here that "tunes" and "music" are two different entities.
So, it really depends on the musician and style of playing. For example, if you heard "Miss Macleod" you would be able to identify if it was Irish music or Scottish music whether or not you were aware of the tune's origins.
There will always be debate, of course, about from where a particular tune originated and also whether or not it should be played in a certain way. However, in my view, it's more important that "the music" survives but this doesn't mean that a player should have to restrict themselves to tunes from their own country or locality.
Mixing tunes is a different/difficult matter though, needs to be handled with care. I'd think that was quite obvious really and more a matter of crafting good sets with nice changes, if it works who cares (an art in it's self IMO)?
Mixing tunes S & I tunes is a different/difficult matter though, needs to be handled with care. I'd think that was quite obvious really and more a matter of crafting good sets with nice changes, if it works who cares (an art in it's self IMO)?
"Irish trad (I will not use the Americanism) is certainly not destroying Scottish tradition. I would say it adds extra colour. The purer form of Scots trad remains unaffected, but there's also plenty room for cross-pollination. Don't be worrying about us."
I'll take your word for it, Bogman. And I'm pleased to hear it.
Incidentally, similar concerns among English trad musicians have led to a sometimes vehement anti-Irish-music sentiment in English sessions. Indeed, there are a lot of sessions in England - mostly those situated away from any Irish community - where Irish tunes form a significant proportion of the repertoire, and there is often tension with those musicians who want to play English tunes. If anything, I would be more concerned about the misrepresentation of Irish music (which wins it no favour with the English trad players) by English musicians that any threat it might pose to the survival of English music.
It is also worth noting that quite a lot of tunes played in Ireland - jigs and hornpipes, in particular - can be found in English manuscripts as far back as the 18th Century.
It is also worth noting that I was born and grew up in England, and am probably responsible, in some measure, for misrepresenting Irish music.
If you try to preserve something you will surely kill it. Think formaldehyde.
There has always been cross-pollination throughout the music of these islands. It's how it got to be like it is, in all its subtly and not so subtly different forms.
I have been told that Scottish tunes are welcome. It actually sounds quite friendly and open and the players that I do know who go also play lots of Irish tunes on other occasions. I suppose it is just a chance to air the other stuff - Scottish, English, Welsh, Cape Breton, Scandinavian, Breton, Galician, French, Italian. There is loads to choose from.
When smothered by a misplaced sense of patriotism, any attempt to reanimate the past can only ever lead to an abomination; it's a bit like hearing people talking scots on the radio where words that don't even fit with their accents or locality are slotted into their speech producing a weird hybrid that belongs nowhere. To hold to tightly to the past is to stifle progress IMVHO............
irish tunes of scottish origin
irish tunes of scottish origin
the first one that springs to mind is the musical priest,which appears to have originated as a strathspey[the north brig of edinburgh].anyone think of any more
miss mcleods reel.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by Dick Miles
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No.
I can think of lots of Scottish tunes that get played in Ireland though. And Irish tunes that get played in Scotland. But Irish tunes that come from Scotland????
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by skreech
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Well what about Arthur McBride then, eh?
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by Skull Duggeraigh Dubh
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If you look through a Scottish tunebook you will recognize a lot of tunes that are in the Irish trad repertoire. For example, the Mason's Apron. Reels originally came to Ireland from Scotland a few hundred years ago, although since then I am sure there has been significant cross pollination in both directions.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by timmy!
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Rakish Paddy,
Lads of Laoise (Lads of Leith)
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
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think I remember talk somewhere once; it might have been in Ballaghadreen....just can't think who the speaker was, but anyway, he said Scottish tunes are...
Reels:
- all the Jenny's...
- all the Miss...
(as in Jenny's Chickens, and Miss McLeod's as two examples)
...don't know how true or accurate that is, but it just came to mind now when i saw ur post.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by andy69
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...the speaker also spoke of Jigs etc, but only the Reels' statement stuck in my memory
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by andy69
Re: irish tunes of scottish origin
There are 100's
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by bogman
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There are a fair few irish tunes that headed over the channel to scotland also.
Among certain communities and people of a certain age, things can get a little snotty in scotland regarding the playing of irish tunes. This is nothing against the irish or their music but reflects peoples wish to hear what they regard as "their own music" and as each generation has it's own sounds this varies between people of different ages. I'm talking about people who were active listeners to SCD music of the 40's and 50's in the main.
Handy that so many scots tunes have been popular in ireland over the ages because the line, "here's one that thats been preserved by the irish that we've borrowed back", gives people a little possession and keeps them on side while we get down and crucial........ The lengths we go to to introduce people to new music, eh......
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by Solidmahog
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There are a lot of Irish polkas that started their life as Strathspeys or Shetland reels.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by No Cause For Alarm
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"There are a lot of Irish polkas that started their life as Strathspeys or Shetland reels."
I've never thought about the Shetland connection, particularly, or strathspeys becoming polkas - you could be right. But a lot of polkas and a good many slides are of Scottish origin:
Chase Me Charlie (Cock o' the North)
The Hair Fell Off Me Coconut (Wi' A Hundred Pipers)
Captain Byng (originally a reel)
The Lakes of Sligo (air to the song Lass o' Gowrie)
The Farewell to Whisky (sometimes known in Ireland, 'erroneously', as My Love is But a Lassie - i.e. that title is used for a completely different tune in Scotland)
A huge number of Irish reels are traceable to Scottish collections. Here are a few:
Lord McDondald
Lady Ann Montgomery
The Boyne Hunt (The Perthshire Hunt)
My Mary Ann (The Fife Hunt)
The Farewell to Ireland (strathspey: The Highland Watch's Farewell to Ireland)
Dogs Among the Bushes (strathspey: Atholl Brose - also played as a highland in Donegal)
There are also quite a lot of jigs derived from Scottish 6/8 marches:
The Scotsman Over The Border (All The Blue Bonnets Are Over The Border)
Mac's Fancy (MacDonald of the Isles' March to Harlaw)
Langstrom's Pony (I forget the name of the march)
The Burnt Old Man (The Campells Are Coming)
There are many more tunes that have one part in common with, or possess a general similarity to, a Scottish tune:
Rolling in The Ryegrass (1st part =3rd part of strathspey The Braes of Mar)
McFadden's Handsome Daughter (3rd part=1st part of The Duke of Perth)
Out On The Ocean (similar to The Rock And The Wee Pickle Tow)
Jackson's Bottle of Brandy (similar to The Campbells Are Coming/The Burnt Old Man)
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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"Irish tunes that come from Scotland????"
Yes - It sounds like an oxymoron, Skreech. But I think it is important to make the distinction between a tune that has just recently been introduced to Ireland from Scotland and is played in much the same way as it would be in its country of origin, and a tune which has become integrated into and adapted to the Irish tradition over centuries. Of course, this distinction is not always clear-cut, especially in the most northerly counties of Ireland, where the musical links with Scotland are much stronger and more current. But there are tunes which have become so firmly embedded in the Irish tradition (despite sometimes retaining their Scottish titles) - Miss McLeod's, a favourite of dancers, being a prime example - that it is hard to deny them their Irish nationality.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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As a child brought up in Scotland, I learned the song known as*The Tangle o' the Isles". Many years later, I heard my wife, who was raised in Ireland, singing the same tune in Irish to words that she was taught in school.
I always thought it was Scottish, but my wife (of course!) maintains that it's Irish.
Can anybody out there verify whether it is Scottish or Irish?
Also, "The Eagle's Whistle" (a march?) which The Boys of the Lough paired with*The Gates of then Yellow Town" - Is this Scottish or Irish?
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by 121JSB
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There may be water between Larne and Stranraer, but people have had boats for many centuries now. The cultural border is highly porous. This is a chicken-and-egg question.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by Alex Wilding
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But Miss McLeod's IS a Scottish tune, whether you play it in Scotland or Ireland, it remains a Scottish tune. Only when you mangle a tune to the point where it becomes unrecognisable and could be construed as a new tune, might it change nationality.
It's one of my big bugbears art the moment - much as I love Irish music, I can't stand seeing Scottish tunes taken across the water, 'irishised' then brought back to Scotland. ITM, by its popularity, is destroying other traditions, not preserving them.
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by skreech
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The Irish have comprehensively ransacked the intellectual property of all the Scottish musos since Christ was in shorts.
But they'll say, We took it there in the first place: we're just reclaiming the interest..!
# Posted on March 30th 2010 by nicholas
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graf spee?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by rumpole
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how do you irishizify a tune then? or indeed scotify one.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by rumpole
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oh dear, i fear that my last post might wake up the Mode Gonques.......
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by rumpole
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Any decent discussion on this web site has to have a reference to Schrödinger's cat, It's de riger.
There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played (by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually played, by people of either tradition, that they then become one or the other.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ...
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Well said llig
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by Solidmahog
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llig:
>There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played >(by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective >memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both >being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually >played, by people of either tradition, that they then become >one or the other.
Despite how odd that sounds, it is absolutely spot on.
- chris
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ramblingpitchfork
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It's a quote from a previous thread, but I couldn't find it to link to
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ...
Re: irish tunes of scottish origin
"how do you irishizify a tune then?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by rumpole "
You take all the emotion out of it, stuff it full of extra notes, then play it way too fast.
On a more serious note, the difference between Scottish and irish styles is normally quite apparent (together with regional variations) A tune becomes Irish or Scottish depending on how you play it.
Most of the good tunes exist in both traditions (and in Canadian, American and other traditions) so you can never be sure where they originate from. Tune names are no help either, most old tunes have multiple names, so knowing a tune under a Scottish or Irish name tells you nothing about its origin.
So the only thing that is Scottish or Irish is the way you play the tune. And that is what I was railing against. Scottish players - particularly is sessions - playing tunes in an Irish style rather than the local vernacular.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by skreech
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"But Miss McLeod's IS a Scottish tune, whether you play it in Scotland or Ireland, it remains a Scottish tune."
But there is a distinctly Irish version (if not several) of it played in Ireland, that is quite distinct from (what I assume to be) its parent tune, Mrs. MacLeod of Raasay. In fact, you could almost regard them as *closely related* tunes, rather than versions of the same tune. Mother and daughter, perhaps.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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"I can't stand seeing Scottish tunes taken across the water, 'irishised' then brought back to Scotland."
I haven't been to many sessions in Scotland, but I'm with you on that - among the Scottish players I have met, there seems a tendency to 'genericize' (not just 'Irishize') traditional music, mixing up Scots, Irish, American, Canadian, Scandinavian. I'm all for dipping into different traditions, but I sometimes wonder where all the grand old Scots tunes are, if not just lying dormant in 18th and 19th Century collections.
"There are a lot of tunes in both traditions that when un-played (by that I mean when their life lies only in the collective memories of all those who play them), exist in a state of both being Irish and Scottish. And it's only when that are actually played, by people of either tradition, that they then become one or the other."
Yes - I like that. Except that I think that there is a tendency in Ireland to round off the corners of tunes, blur the contours. I have no problem with this - it's part of what makes Irish music Irish. But if a tune has been written down in a form that includes a lot of spikes and jagged edges, we might reasonably assume that to be a Scots setting of the tune. If an 'Irishized' tune comes back to Scotland, with its edges rounded off, it is always nice to know where the peaks and troughs used to be. A bit like knowing something of the local history of a place you visit.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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"ITM, by its popularity, is destroying other traditions, not preserving them."
Then again, there were probably a few people in Ireland saying similar things about Scots music at some point. But nobody complains about all the old Scots tunes played in Ireland anymore. (Or perhaps they do...)
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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Irish trad (I will not use the Americanism) is certainly not destroying Scottish tradition. I would say it adds extra colour. The purer form of Scots trad remains unaffected, but there's also plenty room for cross-pollination. Don't be worrying about us.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by bogman
Re: irish tunes of scottish origin
It's been previously discussed here that "tunes" and "music" are two different entities.
So, it really depends on the musician and style of playing. For example, if you heard "Miss Macleod" you would be able to identify if it was Irish music or Scottish music whether or not you were aware of the tune's origins.
There will always be debate, of course, about from where a particular tune originated and also whether or not it should be played in a certain way. However, in my view, it's more important that "the music" survives but this doesn't mean that a player should have to restrict themselves to tunes from their own country or locality.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by Johnny Jay
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Agree bogman, not worth bothering about.
Mixing tunes is a different/difficult matter though, needs to be handled with care. I'd think that was quite obvious really and more a matter of crafting good sets with nice changes, if it works who cares (an art in it's self IMO)?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by Solidmahog
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Mixing tunes S & I tunes is a different/difficult matter though, needs to be handled with care. I'd think that was quite obvious really and more a matter of crafting good sets with nice changes, if it works who cares (an art in it's self IMO)?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by Solidmahog
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A double post during an edit WTF, sorry
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by Solidmahog
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"Irish trad (I will not use the Americanism) is certainly not destroying Scottish tradition. I would say it adds extra colour. The purer form of Scots trad remains unaffected, but there's also plenty room for cross-pollination. Don't be worrying about us."
I'll take your word for it, Bogman. And I'm pleased to hear it.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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Incidentally, similar concerns among English trad musicians have led to a sometimes vehement anti-Irish-music sentiment in English sessions. Indeed, there are a lot of sessions in England - mostly those situated away from any Irish community - where Irish tunes form a significant proportion of the repertoire, and there is often tension with those musicians who want to play English tunes. If anything, I would be more concerned about the misrepresentation of Irish music (which wins it no favour with the English trad players) by English musicians that any threat it might pose to the survival of English music.
It is also worth noting that quite a lot of tunes played in Ireland - jigs and hornpipes, in particular - can be found in English manuscripts as far back as the 18th Century.
It is also worth noting that I was born and grew up in England, and am probably responsible, in some measure, for misrepresenting Irish music.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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then there is always the ABI session in Newcastle. I have not been but would like to at some point. Should make a nice change.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by No Cause For Alarm
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What's an/the ABI session Ali?
- chris
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ramblingpitchfork
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Anything But Irish. Never been to one though.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by minijackpot
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From what I have seen Al its also ABS as well
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by bazouki dave
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oh right "irish need not apply", sounds just great.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ramblingpitchfork
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So dogs are allowed, then?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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As long as they are not Irish Water Spaniels.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by minijackpot
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If you try to preserve something you will surely kill it. Think formaldehyde.
There has always been cross-pollination throughout the music of these islands. It's how it got to be like it is, in all its subtly and not so subtly different forms.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ethical blend
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I have been told that Scottish tunes are welcome. It actually sounds quite friendly and open and the players that I do know who go also play lots of Irish tunes on other occasions. I suppose it is just a chance to air the other stuff - Scottish, English, Welsh, Cape Breton, Scandinavian, Breton, Galician, French, Italian. There is loads to choose from.
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by No Cause For Alarm
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do they play bodhrans in "ABI" sessions then?
# Posted on March 31st 2010 by ...
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I'm afraid they play these everywhere.....
We really need some "ABB" sessions.
# Posted on April 1st 2010 by Johnny Jay
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ethical blend makes a very good point above.
When smothered by a misplaced sense of patriotism, any attempt to reanimate the past can only ever lead to an abomination; it's a bit like hearing people talking scots on the radio where words that don't even fit with their accents or locality are slotted into their speech producing a weird hybrid that belongs nowhere. To hold to tightly to the past is to stifle progress IMVHO............
The same holds with music
# Posted on April 1st 2010 by Solidmahog
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If you're serious about understanding this properly: look at Alois Fleischmann's humungous two-volume study "Sources of Irish Traditional Music".
# Posted on April 6th 2010 by Jack Campin