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filthy luchre and st patrick

filthy luchre and st patrick

its that time of year,
when everyone wants jigs and reels in every pub club and dancehall.

ive been asked to play in 2 places on st pats day, and in some sort of parade/festival at the weekend, i assume this involves sitting on the back of a slow moving truck, but i have no details.

its obvious from the chatter amongst all the players i know, that there is great demand for good players at this time. its also obvious that organisers and gig bookers are making a wad £££ through this, it is evident by the slight frenzy, and the frothing at the mouth if nothing else.....
yet all the players i know keep saying " i'm just doing it for the laugh, it'll be good fun".

i can see the fun side of it, but i think there is exploitation of good will here; this stuff is gigs, not sessions, st pats is a money spinner, no question about it, and this should be reflected in payment to players, whether they are doing st pats gigs for fun or not.

should players expect to get paid for paddys day/week gigs/bookings/commitments, and if so, what is fair?

btw im in the UK

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by one nation under chicken

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Well, yes! At least 100 to 200 (pre 2009) US dollars per player for a three hour gig. Of course this is assuming you're 'performing' and not just 'playing'. It also assumes that the group playing is not a huge 8 to 12 member green haired shamrock toting, kilted, green beer drinking monstocity.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by shanty

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If it's a commercial gig, and someone is making money, then I would expect my cut. But things that involve sitting on a truck are normally either community events, or charity. In either case I wouldn't want payment.

If you don't like playing for free, or feel you're being ripped off, just say "no".

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by skreech

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Aye. You should get paid for any gig at any time of the year, unless it's a free gig.

St. Paddy's Day appears to have basically become Guinness Promotional Holiday and we -- musicians, publicans, drinkers. booking agencies -- are all whoring ourselves out to the corporation that owns Guinness. Is it Diageo? Whatever history and connotations St. Patrick's Day had, before the days of corporations, Guinness, and capitalism have been totally lost.

That said, they're payin' me to play so I'll no' complain about that. :)

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by DrSilverSpear

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"there is great demand for good players at this time."

ha ha, complete toss. It's the one night of he year when "good" players are utterly redundant

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by ...

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If you're booked to perform, you should be paid, period. This is true on any day of the year, Paddy's Day is no exception. The only difference is that you charge a lot more on Paddy's Day.

Best to ask around with your fellow musicians and find out what the standard range is. Don't undercut that range - if you find that people are getting $150-$250 per player per night, don't take less than $175. There are people trying to make a living at this - even if you don't need the money, there's no use making it harder for them.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Jon Kiparsky

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Plastic Paddy day, makes me sick, no self respecting Irish person would be associated with the commercial dross happening on 17th March. Oh! you're lookin' for big bucks, ah bejasus shur that makes it alroit, suckers.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by strayaway

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hey michael, your input is almost always redundant.
god bless.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by one nation under chicken

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On the other hand, it's equally as silly to say, "The one day I will not do a paid gig or play a single note, is the 17th of March because they've made it into a stupid holiday." Whatever. There are better things to protest. In the meantime I'll be having some nice tunes with my mates.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by DrSilverSpear

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Heh, Michael's post is easily the most insightful on this thread so far. If you dismiss it as redundant, you risk according all the posers who play gigs once a year a status as "good" trad musicians. Meh.

In response to the OP query: a gig's a gig. If you happen to actually be a "good" trad musician, then you'll be buried in demands for your talents and should have no trouble using that to justify your fee. If you're a poser, then take the money and run.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Will Harmon

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Don't play for free if you can get paid. Do the people you are playing for do things for you for free? Get as much as you can . Stick it to them.

We hardly celebrate ST. Patrick's day around here, so there is not much money to be made on it. If there is where you live, then take advantage of it.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Gringo

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Wait, SilverSpear, you honestly think that commercialism is getting out of hand, and that people are forgetting the true meaning of St. Patrick's Day? You should meet my neighbor. You can tell which house is his because of the neon shamrock in his kitchen.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by smw

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17th of March can be the last day of the year for players of really good trad. More typically publicans are looking for someone to play 'Green Alligators' to go with their green beer, or maybe something as 'Irish' as a Metallica styled 'Whiskey in the Jar'.
If someone has to belt out When Irish Eyes are Smiling to a drunken pack of 'Irish' green beer swillers maybe they should be compensated in a fiscally appropriate manner.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Twisty

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A suggestion, if you want to play tunes as usual but also use the high demand for Paddy's Day Irish music to do a bit of good in the world:

Offer to conduct your normal session in a pub that hasn' t booked a band for Patrick's Day (hotel bars or pubs that just left it too late to book a band, etc...) Allow them to mike the session so the music wil attract business; however, make it crystal clear that this is not a stage performance, and there will be no introductions, Danny Boys or suchlike, and that you will pretty much ignore the punters. Then require them to make a sizeable donation to the charity of your choice in return.

It's effective to put your offer in an email with a link to a Youtube video of your session so the bars understand what it is you're offering. Fire the email to a large number of establishments and provide your "services" to the highest bidder.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by grego

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I think commercialism in the general sense has gotten out of hand. Not just on March 17th. See http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/23978/comments#comment500135.

"Don't play for free if you can get paid. Do the people you are playing for do things for you for free? Get as much as you can . Stick it to them."

Hah, I guess that's everyone who has ever played at a session for no money told.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by DrSilverSpear

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We will be doing an extra session in one of our regular session venues on St Pats.
However, at our regular session we all get a free drink and a big welcome from our landlady, so we consider it payment in kind.
At the last pub the landlord used to give us £60 - total ! - and insist "No more'n six of ye !". sp he could pack more punters in.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Guernsey Pete

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We will be playing St Paddys (£90 a piece) i.e. playing for dancing, not blasting out raucous choruses and will not be appealing to the "plastic paddys" in the slightest.
We have turned down no end of "plastic paddy" gigs, who were not wanting real musicians as they weren't willing to pay real wages.
If you want to play "plastic paddy", sod off to Temple Bar.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by geoffwright

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WHO THE HECK IS PLAYING GIGS WITHOUT GETTING PAID?!?

Jayzus, what's wrong with you people. Buncha freaking hippies.

"Yeah man....it's all about like...you know., brotherhood, man, yeah man, you know, like, you know..."

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler

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In honor of the fine and cultured listeners we'll all be performing for on the day in question, I'll just post a picture of them here:

http://cdn-i.dmdentertainment.com/cracked/img/articles/stpatricksday/stpatricksday07.gif

I drag that out every year on our dear mustard board, because every year there's a thread like this. It's...well, traditional? (ho ho, ha ha, hardee har har)

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler

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I am nowhere near being able to play a performance of this music, but if I were, I would take advantage of the situation to make a few bucks. Why not? I'm not a big fan of the holiday. It's kind of like New Years Eve, it's hard to have a good time but sometimes they can be had. I'm well past the time in my life where I would have considered obligatory binge-drinking the gateway to a good time. Even though the plastic shamrocks are a bit annoying to me, I do look at one other angle. St. Pat's DOES attract at least a few more musicians to the tradition, as there are going to be musicians who see a session or a performance of ITM and make the decision to look into it.

Everyone has choices. I figure I have the opportunity to be a snob 364 days out of the year. On the 365th that is St Pat's I can either be a snob that day or cater a bit to the plastic paddy's for some dough. There are tougher decisions in life.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Jimmy B

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SWFL

LOL

You have the spirit!

I was going to post a thread about my interest in perfroming Irish music declines proportionally to the days left till the 'high holy day'!

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by zippydw

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I agree with Llig.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Dick Miles

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Why does everyone seems to hate St. Patrick's Day?

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Gringo

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I don't hate the holiday, I just detest the usual experience at the typical American "oirish pub." The usually crappy pub bands, the elbow to elbow belligerent patrons, it's just not a good time for me. If I can find an event that is smaller and has less of those elements, I would probably enjoy myself more. With middle-age creeping up, my parameters for a good time have shifted somewhat. :)

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Jimmy B

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I love them! I want them drunk as skunks with big, fat wallets. I want them to stagger up to the stage, waving fat wads of cash in their hands, drunkenly slurring requests while drooling on their shirts.

[hiccup] "Sing da wun 'bout da Wild Roving Colonial Boy in a Jar! Yeah baby! Who wants a shot? WOO HOO!" [barfs on shoes, passes out]

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by SWFL Fiddler

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I find it utterly puzzling how it is okay to make a complete parody of one culture. I thought that we had progressed beyond that. Just to make a point, if I decided to attend a Native American powwow, would I dress up like a cartoon Indian, crack loud jokes about firewater and generally make an a** of myself? But a quick search of "st. patrick's day" brings up stupid leprechaun costumes, dorky hats, and tee shirts that imply that all Irish people are drunken, quarrelsome louts. I just got back from a festival that had great music, interesting workshops and dances, but was a little put off by the people who show up at these things in weird costumes. Maybe I'm just slipping into geezerdom, but why is this escalating every year?

Just ranting.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Michele Sims

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For the record, I am certainly in favor of parting the drunken punters from their dough. No barfing on my shoes, please.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Michele Sims

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I think that you have reinforced my point, Batlady. Thanks. I'll be at home listening to The Clash, a band that never subscribed to the lure of the filthy lucre.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by strayaway

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A friend of mine once remarked how the Irish had grounds for a lawsuit against the Budweiser add people.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley

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AD people

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Atahualpa Quigley

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Batlady -

The reason it is escalating each year, at least in the USA, is that the moral majority continues to try and dictate our behavior, and continues to pass more and more legislation that aims to keep us at home. It is a puritan element in our society that has never gone away. Because of this, those out for a good time rebel by looking for any excuse they can to let loose. This leads to two things: more excessive behavior, and the use of this holiday as an excuse to "party" with said excessive behavior. The lack of this puritan culture in many other countries is exactly why you tend NOT to have the plastic paddy behavior. A similar phenomenon occurs in the states duing Oktoberfest.

Oh, well, I'm not judging, but you're asking and telling. :)

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Jimmy B

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Quigley -

I think I like "add people" better, as they engage in said advertising campaigns to "add" to their profits. Again, I'm not judging these bars that try to get as much as they can out of the situation, just don't count me amongst the patrons that day.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Jimmy B

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Blame Guinness. They produce half of the awful trash people wear.

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by Bredna

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...on holidays in Ireland

# Posted on March 8th 2010 by premier

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I contine sessioning at this time of year, unless of course I have a paid gig on the day of the session, in which case, I pass along my regrets. Like many, I only make enough to partially support this habit, which involves new instruments, new fiddle strings, retuning accordion reeds, gasoline for travelling here and there, purchase of CDs, etc, etc.....

# Posted on March 9th 2010 by AlBrown

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Greetings all!

I'm only catching up after the Hobart Fleadh and found this post.

For me to go out and play on St. Patrick's Day is nothing different to any other day. I play every day! Some members here know this to their detriment, that I might play at the crack of dawn!

I feel blessed to play some of the special tunes on St. Patrick's Day, especially the breakfast concert I do. All there ae sober, there's no commercial s#*t and it's a beautiful way to start a day.

I've walked into and seen a lot of rubbish over the years. There's a very simple remedy. Walk out.

If any of you wish to be in Hobart for a lovely day of music then give me a call. You'll have a great day and meet some lovely people who just share a nice time.

Brian xx

# Posted on March 9th 2010 by briantheflute

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"Barf!" is what our dogs say when they want food or attention or need to go outside.

"The moral majority continues to try and dictate our behavior, and continues to try to pass more and more legislation that aims to keep us at home." Either there or in church most of the time.....or so it seems to me.
Jimmy B, it sounds as if you have either met my sister-in-law or someone very much like her. She is one of these people who goes to church whenever it is open. It might almost be correct to say that she goes to church "religiously".
I pointed out to her that if we spend too much time in church, there won't be any time for us to do good deeds for our fellow human beings outside of church. She was going to reply and then she realized that I was making fun of her and she got mad at me.

# Posted on March 9th 2010 by fauxcelt

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I saw a lot of leprechaun outfits and guinness top hats on fans at the Ireland-England rugby match last week. I never knew there were so many thousands of American fans willing to travel to see it.....

Anyway, people acting like morons is nothing new. Just avoid what you don't like about any holiday. No biggie,

# Posted on March 9th 2010 by HK

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My experience of playing St. Patrick's Day tunes in pubs has been mellowed by free beer and up to £20 in hand on occasions, but I don't hanker for any more. The reason is I'm not a performer, I wouldn't have earned this by a coherent, proficient, extended set of tunes or songs geared to giving the audience as much as possible of what might be to their taste. I'd rather settle for free beer, play a tune, fall asleep in a corner, play another tune, go out for a smoke, look through the Northern Echo to see if I know any of the convicts, fall asleep again, eat a meal and play at the same time, and sham death when the singing starts.

# Posted on March 10th 2010 by nicholas

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