Hello to everybody. "The session" is a great site.
I play the fiddle and have some troubles with fast rolls.
Is there somebody kind enough to tell me how to practise them?
Thanks a lot
fiddlemax
Practise them slowly before you try to go quickly. Slower. No, slower. Slower than that. Do that on every note that can be rolled, working your way up the scales, every time you pick up your fiddle, and you'll soon have them sollid.
There's any amount of stuff on rolls in the archives -- do a search for "danish roll" and you'll find a ton. (Seriously.)
Distinction:
A slow roll is the one that starts just behind the beat.
A fast roll is the one that happens right on the beat.
The actual speed of the notes in the rolls themselves are the same, it's just where you place it in the tune.
The first part of "the kid on the mountain" is a good bit of tune to pactice rolls. You get the E, the Fsharp and the G.
Try it by playing just four slow rolls, E, Fsharp, G, E.
Then try it with fast rolls on the beat, E, Fsharp, G, E.
Then mix them up so you get the distinction between them.
Here's another definition for you; A long (slow) roll usually occupies the same space as a dotted quarter note- hench it will usually be played in a jig in place of another three- beat pattern.
A short (fast) roll only gets the space of a quarter note and is more common in reels.
There is also a difference in the number of notes in each. A long roll uses five notes. For example, if you are rolling the note "c" on your a string,in jig time, you would play a pattern of c-d-c-b-c, usually giving the initial c note a little more time then the rest of the pattern.
If you were to play a short roll on the same note, in reel time, you would usually play it in the context of a pattern that would include two "set up" notes-usually eighth notes- say the open a followed by the c, then the "rolled c". This leaves you a single quarter note to get in the roll. The short roll would therefore only have FOUR notes; d-c-b-c ! (you already played the c on the previous beat).
Playing a series of long rolls in jig time, for example e,f#,g on the d string and then back down again is a good exercise.
To practice short rolls in reel time you should practice them in the context of a simple phrase; For example,using the d string- c(on the g string) e-Roll, then open d-f#-Roll then e-g-Roll. and so on.
I hope this is'nt too confusing the way I've described it, it's so much easier in real life.
Try practicing rolls as an exercise. (as suggested already)
Do them in the rhythm of the tune you want to play.
For a reel, the notes scan well as Crys-tal Pal-ace, repeated.
'Crys' will usually be the note before the roll.
You then need 3 fairly even notes to follow - 'tal-pal-ace'
spaced by 2 grace notes (like the hyphens), 1 above, 1 below
I'm do this but I'm still a battler. Especially my 1st finger rolls leave a bit to be desired.
rolls with fiddle
rolls with fiddle
Hello to everybody. "The session" is a great site.
I play the fiddle and have some troubles with fast rolls.
Is there somebody kind enough to tell me how to practise them?
Thanks a lot
fiddlemax
# Posted on October 29th 2003 by fiddlemax
Re: rolls with fiddle
Practise them slowly before you try to go quickly. Slower. No, slower. Slower than that. Do that on every note that can be rolled, working your way up the scales, every time you pick up your fiddle, and you'll soon have them sollid.
There's any amount of stuff on rolls in the archives -- do a search for "danish roll" and you'll find a ton. (Seriously.)
And welcome to the site!
Zina
# Posted on October 29th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: rolls with fiddle
Oh wait, I just realized -- that was on open string rolls, not fast rolls. Just search "rolls" -- but you'll get a LOT of results!
# Posted on October 29th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: rolls with fiddle
What is wrong with danish? or Rolls? ;-D
# Posted on October 29th 2003 by fiel
Re: rolls with fiddle
I'm only joking! Isn't Danish and rolls something you eat for some reason? (overthere)
# Posted on October 29th 2003 by fiel
Re: rolls with fiddle
Distinction:
A slow roll is the one that starts just behind the beat.
A fast roll is the one that happens right on the beat.
The actual speed of the notes in the rolls themselves are the same, it's just where you place it in the tune.
The first part of "the kid on the mountain" is a good bit of tune to pactice rolls. You get the E, the Fsharp and the G.
Try it by playing just four slow rolls, E, Fsharp, G, E.
Then try it with fast rolls on the beat, E, Fsharp, G, E.
Then mix them up so you get the distinction between them.
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by llig leahcim
Re: rolls with fiddle
thanks to You all for Your fast and useful advice.
Now my fiddle knows that I'm not left alone to tame it.
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by fiddlemax
Re: rolls with fiddle
Here's another definition for you; A long (slow) roll usually occupies the same space as a dotted quarter note- hench it will usually be played in a jig in place of another three- beat pattern.
A short (fast) roll only gets the space of a quarter note and is more common in reels.
There is also a difference in the number of notes in each. A long roll uses five notes. For example, if you are rolling the note "c" on your a string,in jig time, you would play a pattern of c-d-c-b-c, usually giving the initial c note a little more time then the rest of the pattern.
If you were to play a short roll on the same note, in reel time, you would usually play it in the context of a pattern that would include two "set up" notes-usually eighth notes- say the open a followed by the c, then the "rolled c". This leaves you a single quarter note to get in the roll. The short roll would therefore only have FOUR notes; d-c-b-c ! (you already played the c on the previous beat).
Playing a series of long rolls in jig time, for example e,f#,g on the d string and then back down again is a good exercise.
To practice short rolls in reel time you should practice them in the context of a simple phrase; For example,using the d string- c(on the g string) e-Roll, then open d-f#-Roll then e-g-Roll. and so on.
I hope this is'nt too confusing the way I've described it, it's so much easier in real life.
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by Murph
Re: rolls with fiddle
Links to some old roll threads:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display.php/428
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by Will CPT
Re: rolls with fiddle
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display.php/157
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by Will CPT
Re: rolls with fiddle
Try practicing rolls as an exercise. (as suggested already)
Do them in the rhythm of the tune you want to play.
For a reel, the notes scan well as Crys-tal Pal-ace, repeated.
'Crys' will usually be the note before the roll.
You then need 3 fairly even notes to follow - 'tal-pal-ace'
spaced by 2 grace notes (like the hyphens), 1 above, 1 below
I'm do this but I'm still a battler. Especially my 1st finger rolls leave a bit to be desired.
I hope that's of some assistance.
Bill.
# Posted on October 30th 2003 by bd