sh*t i wouldn't want to live in Eire after that. i'd be too preoccupied with coming to terms with my new (old) found poverty to want to play music. my mandolin would sit there looking at me...thinking 'fecking hell i'm a Breedlove...play me'.
I don't seem to be able to play that clip in this part of 'Éire' so I'm just going to have to have a guess at what's included. Maybe I'm just as well off...
I cannot speak for all the other 50 million English people you will have to ask them.
But I call it Eire because that's what it says on the stamps. I think it's safe to assume a country puts the name it would like to be called on it's stamps without insulting anyone or getting political.
It makes sense, dave, but the thing is the Anglophones here never use 'Eire' except when taking the urine out of English people, especially sports commentators.
Did the BBC programme use 'Eire' or Ireland, or maybe 'the Republic'?
"I call it Eire because that's what it says on the stamps" - I like it bazoukidave - that solves one of those little intriguing little mysteries in life!
Eire means Ireland - The whole island of Ireland and that is why the word 'Eire' is on the stamp.
The British, when speaking about the 'Republic of Ireland' refer to it as 'Eire' thinking it means just the twenty six counties. It doesn't of course, so the trick worked...a wily old fox was that Eamon deValera guy..............!
Some British people also refer to the Republic of Ireland as "Southern Ireland", forgetting the fact that Sligo and Donegal are hardly in the south of the country !
Country and place names can be a conversational minefield in many parts of the world.
I live in what´s generally known as the Spanish Basque Country, but when I tell people from here how long I´ve been here, I can either say "I´ve been living in Spain for ... years" or "I´ve been living in the Basque Country (or Euskadi) for ... years" depending on who I´m talking to because one or the other expression might make their hackles rise !
You get quite skillful at figuring out in a matter of seconds which side of the fence, if any, your interlocutor might be on
I usually get round it by saying "I´ve been living here for ..."
About 10kms north of Bilbao, where the river Nervión meets the sea, the other side of the bay from where the P&O ferry arrives from Portsmouth: Algorta.
One of the hardest things to get done in the world, if not the hardest, is to get herself to move from any warm-climate country to Ireland, (or England for that matter), and if they do go there, to actually stay there. World Rule Number 1: women love hot weather, they get very scared if they have to move to cold countries. Good luck. Let us know how you go with it.
"The English don't call it Ireland 'cos that includes North of the border."
No!
I fact the official names for the Free State are "Éire" and "Ireland", these are the names in the Irish Constitution, and used at the U.N. Both names have the same connotation. Both terms were in the past used to refer to the entire Island, but now "Éire" and "Ireland" are the official names for the Irish Republic.
I don’t know why this insignificant issue is causing such exasperation among some people. Why shouldn’t foreigners call the state “Éire”, in deference to the Gaelic language?
Do those favouring "Éire" also prefer to use Cymru, Suisse, Deutschland, Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Magyar, Shqipëria, España etc when asking in English about those countries? Not that any of them would get upset about it, it would just look a bit t055y
I would say not. Ireland is the anglicised name for Ireland isn't it? Erin is the name, isn't it? A bit like England is the anglicised name for Britain, which is what it used to be called, wasn't it - Pritani.
"England" came from "land where they speak that Angle-ish stuff" or some such derivation if Alastair Moffat's fascinating books "The Sea Kingdoms" and "Before Scotland" are to be believed.
I thought Erin was a "poetic" name for Ireland, being the name of an old Greek hoor or something.
Mind you there must be a few O'Mansions or magic bungalows lying empty over théire at the moment, if you had the cash to spare and fancied living in a damp mini-Southfork
Funny that, I've heard that the biggest buyers of British/English rural land for the last number of years were Irish farmers. The O'Mansions are empty? So the poms are doing better are they? Right.
So you thought Erin was the name of a Greek hoor did you?
That probably explains why you moved from Australia to England...are you a pommy apologist or some such, Bren?
No it's not poetic, it's the name of the country...like it or lump it.
"IreLAND", has the same suffix as "EngLAND"...funny that.
"land is part of the germanic heritage"...that's right.
"Erin" is not, nether is "Eriu". Calling Ireland, "Ireland" then, on your linguistic logic is a germanic overlay is it?
doesn't matter where you live, Bren, you sure sound like a disaffected pom of Australian "extraction" to me. So, you're Scottish are you? Right...sounds like b'sh*te to me, mate.
‘Éire’ is the nominative case.
‘Éirinn’ is the dative form of ‘Éire’.
‘Éireann’ is the genitive and accusative form of ‘Éire’.
If anyone really wants to refer unambiguously to the entire island (as distinct from the modern political state) they should avail themselves of one of the many other ancient names for the island, of which Éire (or Éiru) was just one.
+Calling Ireland, "Ireland" then, on your linguistic logic is a germanic overlay is it?+
of course - "land of the Eirish"
Thanks for attributing "logic" to all this, though I still prefer the Greek hoor explanation.
Given that several people in this thread have already taken Éire to mean the Rep. of Ire., it can't be said to be an unambiguous reference to the whole island either, (unfortunately in my view).
.....call it that, because that's the name on the stamp.......
.......then there's this place called 'Island', cause that's what it says on the stamps, but actually we call it Iceland, which is also the name of a frozen-food supermarket over here, so when Bjork first came here she found that very comforting, being far from home and homesick and the like.....
Don't we tie ourselves in knots sometimes ?
Want to live in Eire ?
Want to live in Eire ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ktdb0/Ireland_From_Boom_to_Bust/
For those of you like me who would want to go and live and play music in Eire an interesting program on the future of the economy.
# Posted on June 11th 2009 by bazouki dave
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
sh*t i wouldn't want to live in Eire after that. i'd be too preoccupied with coming to terms with my new (old) found poverty to want to play music. my mandolin would sit there looking at me...thinking 'fecking hell i'm a Breedlove...play me'.
# Posted on June 11th 2009 by mickyfong
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Why do the English always called Ireland "Eire"?
# Posted on June 11th 2009 by seán_óg
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I don't seem to be able to play that clip in this part of 'Éire' so I'm just going to have to have a guess at what's included. Maybe I'm just as well off...
# Posted on June 11th 2009 by amhrán
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"Why do the English always called Ireland "Éire"?"
Why not? We Gaelic speakers refer to it as "Éire" too!
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by whistleblower
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Maybe we can use "the Shamrock Shore" but I think the High Kings have already been there, done that and made money parasiting Ireland.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Micheál
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I cannot speak for all the other 50 million English people you will have to ask them.
But I call it Eire because that's what it says on the stamps. I think it's safe to assume a country puts the name it would like to be called on it's stamps without insulting anyone or getting political.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by bazouki dave
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
It makes sense, dave, but the thing is the Anglophones here never use 'Eire' except when taking the urine out of English people, especially sports commentators.
Did the BBC programme use 'Eire' or Ireland, or maybe 'the Republic'?
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by RockyRoader
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"I call it Eire because that's what it says on the stamps" - I like it bazoukidave - that solves one of those little intriguing little mysteries in life!
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by the wounded hussar
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
That's the reason why I always call the Uk "Queenie"
- chris
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by ramblingpitchfork
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I love this reference in the blurb to the radio programme
"William Butler Yeats described the indigenous character trait as an abiding sense of tragedy that sustained people through temporary periods of joy."
That, and the other indigenous character trait- a sense of humour- will certainly come in handy now.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by P-K
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
The English don't call it Ireland 'cos that includes North of the border.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by geoffwright
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Eire means Ireland - The whole island of Ireland and that is why the word 'Eire' is on the stamp.
The British, when speaking about the 'Republic of Ireland' refer to it as 'Eire' thinking it means just the twenty six counties. It doesn't of course, so the trick worked...a wily old fox was that Eamon deValera guy..............!
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Free Reed
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Eire! I always refer to it as Paddystown
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Shylock
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Some British people also refer to the Republic of Ireland as "Southern Ireland", forgetting the fact that Sligo and Donegal are hardly in the south of the country !
Country and place names can be a conversational minefield in many parts of the world.
I live in what´s generally known as the Spanish Basque Country, but when I tell people from here how long I´ve been here, I can either say "I´ve been living in Spain for ... years" or "I´ve been living in the Basque Country (or Euskadi) for ... years" depending on who I´m talking to because one or the other expression might make their hackles rise !
You get quite skillful at figuring out in a matter of seconds which side of the fence, if any, your interlocutor might be on
I usually get round it by saying "I´ve been living here for ..."
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by murfbox
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Where exacly are you Murfbox?
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Fanning
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
About 10kms north of Bilbao, where the river Nervión meets the sea, the other side of the bay from where the P&O ferry arrives from Portsmouth: Algorta.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by murfbox
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I presented Herself with a couple of location options in Eire.
No dice....to far from her kids in the US. I told her that's why got created airplanes!
Back to square one.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by zippydw
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
One of the hardest things to get done in the world, if not the hardest, is to get herself to move from any warm-climate country to Ireland, (or England for that matter), and if they do go there, to actually stay there. World Rule Number 1: women love hot weather, they get very scared if they have to move to cold countries. Good luck. Let us know how you go with it.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"The English don't call it Ireland 'cos that includes North of the border."
No!
I fact the official names for the Free State are "Éire" and "Ireland", these are the names in the Irish Constitution, and used at the U.N. Both names have the same connotation. Both terms were in the past used to refer to the entire Island, but now "Éire" and "Ireland" are the official names for the Irish Republic.
I don’t know why this insignificant issue is causing such exasperation among some people. Why shouldn’t foreigners call the state “Éire”, in deference to the Gaelic language?
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by whistleblower
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I thought Eire was the name of all of Ireland (including the northern parts) before the English arrived.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"Both names have the same connotation.", What, "Free"?
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Fer google's sake:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89riu
http://www.answers.com/topic/f-dla
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
its a long lane that has no turning
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Red Robin
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Do those favouring "Éire" also prefer to use Cymru, Suisse, Deutschland, Norge, Sverige, Danmark, Magyar, Shqipëria, España etc when asking in English about those countries? Not that any of them would get upset about it, it would just look a bit t055y
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Bren
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
I would say not. Ireland is the anglicised name for Ireland isn't it? Erin is the name, isn't it? A bit like England is the anglicised name for Britain, which is what it used to be called, wasn't it - Pritani.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
England is part of Britain, not a name for Britain as a whole.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Sugarfoot Jack
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"England" came from "land where they speak that Angle-ish stuff" or some such derivation if Alastair Moffat's fascinating books "The Sea Kingdoms" and "Before Scotland" are to be believed.
I thought Erin was a "poetic" name for Ireland, being the name of an old Greek hoor or something.
No doubt Wikipoo has an opinion on it
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Bren
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Mind you there must be a few O'Mansions or magic bungalows lying empty over théire at the moment, if you had the cash to spare and fancied living in a damp mini-Southfork
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Bren
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Funny that, I've heard that the biggest buyers of British/English rural land for the last number of years were Irish farmers. The O'Mansions are empty? So the poms are doing better are they? Right.
So you thought Erin was the name of a Greek hoor did you?
That probably explains why you moved from Australia to England...are you a pommy apologist or some such, Bren?
No it's not poetic, it's the name of the country...like it or lump it.
"IreLAND", has the same suffix as "EngLAND"...funny that.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
What part of "Aberdeen, Scotland" in my profile suggests "England" to you, DD?
"Land" is part of the Germanic heritage of English - Deutschland, Poland, Jutland, Scotland, Netherlands, Welshland, Poundland
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Bren
or should it really be eirLAND and someone made a spelling mistake
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by bazouki dave
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
"land is part of the germanic heritage"...that's right.
"Erin" is not, nether is "Eriu". Calling Ireland, "Ireland" then, on your linguistic logic is a germanic overlay is it?
doesn't matter where you live, Bren, you sure sound like a disaffected pom of Australian "extraction" to me. So, you're Scottish are you? Right...sounds like b'sh*te to me, mate.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
“I thought Erin was a "poetic" name for Ireland”
Nope!
‘Éire’ is the nominative case.
‘Éirinn’ is the dative form of ‘Éire’.
‘Éireann’ is the genitive and accusative form of ‘Éire’.
If anyone really wants to refer unambiguously to the entire island (as distinct from the modern political state) they should avail themselves of one of the many other ancient names for the island, of which Éire (or Éiru) was just one.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by whistleblower
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
beautifully put altogther, whstblwr...
erin go bragh.
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Duijera Dubh
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
+Calling Ireland, "Ireland" then, on your linguistic logic is a germanic overlay is it?+
of course - "land of the Eirish"
Thanks for attributing "logic" to all this, though I still prefer the Greek hoor explanation.
Given that several people in this thread have already taken Éire to mean the Rep. of Ire., it can't be said to be an unambiguous reference to the whole island either, (unfortunately in my view).
# Posted on June 12th 2009 by Bren
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
.....call it that, because that's the name on the stamp.......
.......then there's this place called 'Island', cause that's what it says on the stamps, but actually we call it Iceland, which is also the name of a frozen-food supermarket over here, so when Bjork first came here she found that very comforting, being far from home and homesick and the like.....
Don't we tie ourselves in knots sometimes ?
# Posted on June 14th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
Yeah, I doubt the French get too exercised by the fact that Angleterre, Ecosse, Irlande, Pays de Galles etc aren't the local terms or on the stamps
# Posted on June 14th 2009 by Bren
Re: Want to live in Eire ?
no - does Uladh feature in your proposed plans to up sticks? (or as Seamus Heany calls us 'the Northern collective!')
# Posted on June 15th 2009 by iwerzon