for d second comment there why is it when ever
i post somthing on this website somebody's always
got a little ignorint comment to so u keep yer mouth
shut if yer gona say stuff like that ri. i asked for information
not an argument or a negitive comment.
besides dat thanks for the other great replies i got an il check
those tunes out thanks lads an lassies
Please, please use coherent grammar and spelling when posting. Doesn't have to be English major perfect, it just needs to utilize the odd period, comma, and capital letter. "Text-speak" in all its incarnations is really hard to read.
SilverSpear: alim010 makes himself perfectly clear and I agree with him.
Grammar does not include periods (full stops) and commas. These are punctuation marks. Punctuation and grammar are two different systems. I''m not usually interested in the correct use of either on this forum, but I think you are being a bit hypocritical, especially as you have made a very common error in your own use of punctuation in your second sentence. You have attempted to join two clauses (both of which can be considered to be sentences in their own right) with a joining comma, but you haven't used a conjunction. This mistake is known as a 'comma splice'. Perhaps you should have written 'It doesn't have to English major perfect, but it needs to utilize the odd period, comma and capital letter.' I've also tidied up some of the grammatical problems in this sentence. Alternatively you may have used a semi-colon instead of the comma in this sentence.
I know that you made a point of saying that 'Doesn't [sic] have to be English major perfect,' but your punctuation error is very basic. Perhaps you should look at your own use of English before you criticise others.
My own grammar and punctuation are not perfect. I just don't like this kind of hypocrisy. In fact I'm sure that I've made many errors here myself. Innit?
I would point out that you should not really use words like 'but' after a comma either (or the word 'and').
Also, if you are providing a quote in your sentence you should have a comma before the quote as in:
"Perhaps you should have written, 'It doesn't have to BE English major perfect but it needs to utilise the odd full stop, comma and capital letter.'"
Generally the comma is employed very badly by most people, with no real understanding of its purpose.
As an aside I am not sure the phrase 'English major perfect' is a real one.
Ultimately we could go on constantly picking up on other people's mistakes but generally the point is that Emily writes in coherant sentences, as do you. alim010 did not. I would agree that I could understand what he said but it was not straight forward. It doesn't need to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it is nice to see a bit of effort used.
To get away from the distractions of writing styles etc, can someone please tell me what makes a tune good for use in a duet. If both are playing the same notes surely it is only a matter of finding a tune or tunes that you both know well.
To get back to the distractions of writing styles, while it's true that there are no commas in speech, and hence in grammar, speaking as a linguist now, it's also true that written representation of language (like written represenation of tunes!) is a lossy format: conversion of speech to written text invariably loses information. Punctuation and standardized spelling are tools to restore some of that information, so that the rest of us can make sense of what's said.
Now, speaking not as a linguist but as a reader of a message board, I tend to think that use of those tools is a matter of courtesy and of self-respect, both of which are important. Courtesy, in that you're taking some effort to make it possible for others to read what you're writing, and self-respect in that you're showing that you think what you've written is worth reading, and you're going to take the effort to make it readable.
If you have neither the courtesy nor the self-respect to learn and use standard spelling and punctuation, why on earth would you expect someone to take the time to read what you've written?
'But' and 'and' are conjunctions. It's perfectly acceptable to use them after joining commas, and your statement is completely untrue. Yes the comma is generally employed very badly by most people, and you seem to be one of them if you do not know this. There are also other circumstances in which you may use conjunctions after commas. For instance when you use bracketing commas. There's an example in the next paragraph as it happens.
Using a comma before a quotation is not incorrect, but many English writers (in England) consider it unnecessary as it has no real function or purpose although many, but not all, British publishers prefer it. I suppose it depends on whether you follow a 'logical' or 'conventional' style of punctuation usage. Neither of us is wrong in this case. It's OK either way as long as you are consistent with the usage.
You should go back to school or do some proper research.
Anyway that's not the point. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the earlier post. There's enough lecturing that goes on around here about how to play and listen to music. We don't need any more when it comes to how we write our language. As long as people communicate here in a way that's readily understood then that's fine by me. Alim010 made his point very succinctly. I think that the consensus around here is that writing is not a good thing anyway . . .
Llig thinks that if we were to discover Mozart's manuscripts now without knowing anything about him, or without a tradition of playing his music, the said music would be 'very poor music indeed.' He certainly is ignorant about some things Jon.
Oh, please, Joel. Don't tell me you think Alim was referring to Mozart. And don't tell me you would agree with him - a prepubescent little snot getting his rocks off calling people names in a public forum is annoying, but you're not that, and you agreeing with him would just be embarrassing...
In context, I said that Mozart's music would be very much the poorer if we were to discover his manuscripts now without knowing anything about him, or without the continuing tradition of playing his music ever since it was written.
This is a great combination of instruments - I'm now thinking of Joe Cooley / Des Mulkere and more recently Charlie Harris / Des Mulkere - so your chance of winning is just as good, if not better, than anyone elses. However, if your only reason for entering a Fleadh is to win, then I'd strongly recommend against it as there are so many imponderables not to mention the awesome standard of some of today's younger players. On the other hand if you want to enter into the spirit of the thing, which can be very enjoyable, then give it your best shot and, whatever the result, you can't lose. As for choice of tunes, I'd say pick the ones you enjoy most and feel comfortable playing. Anyway, the very best of luck and hopefully we'll see you in Tullamore!
Jon, Are you calling llig "a prepubescent little snot getting his rocks off calling people names in a public forum?" I am so confused....perhaps if all of you were using better English, I might understand what you are going on about........
Back to the original point. In this music, a duet would consist of two instruments playing together in unison. A good tune is a good tune, whether it is played alone, in duet, in trio, etc. There are some tunes well suited for particular instruments, but the real limiting factor is how well our original poster can play a tune, and how well the duet partner can play the same tune. Thus the answer might be better determined between the two of them, and not by asking strangers.
alim010, is this your first time at a fleadh? What experience do you have in playing? What experience does you friend have? Do you already have any favorite tunes that the two of you share? A little more information from you, and about what you want, would make our job easier.
52 Paddy is right, but just for your information, fleadh rules are that both players must play the tune at all times, also you can't do two of the same type of tune. I don't know what age group you are, but for example, if it's under 15 you have to do 3 tunes, so chose something like one reel, one jig and one hornpipe. Two reels and a jig and you'll be disqualified.
Observations of spelling, punctuation and grammar in posts are best reserved for spotting whether Dick Miles or tradpiper are trying to post under the cover of aliases.
Joel, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, or you misunderstood, about my comment about Mozart in the other thread. I hope you understand what I was trying to say now.
When joining a conversation online, it’s a good idea to observe and follow the indigenous standards for written communication. if u dont c mbrs ritn llike this then dont rite like this. If you see established members writing complete sentences and *generally* following the normal “rules” of informal writing (as, for example, in old-fashioned letter writing), then *generally* follow that standard. Isn’t it obvious?
Maybe he types with one finger (or thumbs). Thats the reason for the spelling problem. It's obvious that a person can only watch so much internet porn.
well al brown i have been playing irish music since i was
5 and i am now 16 now i have competed in about 10 fleadh
and my partner has about the same experience and i eat
sleep and drink music have been playing the banjo
since i was ten
Come on No Cause For Alarm: tell me more about my mistakes with commas. I'm itching to know. Try to back it up with more than your last comment,
Llig: your point about Mozart in the other thread was made very clearly. What you're saying now is half-back track and half u-turn. You still don't know what you're talking about though.
alim010: don't bother with this forum if you are looking for advice and encouragement. You'll only find derision and smarmy rudeness.
alim010, don't really know much about these competitions but ,imo, if you pick tunes that are within the rules and your duo can make them dance, you and the listeners should enjoy the music, whatever the competition result..
good tunes to use in a duet
good tunes to use in a duet
im doing a duet in the fleadh
im playing banjo and my partner is
playing the box what tunes are good
to play for this type of thing
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by alim010
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
If you have to ask, you ain't gonna win
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by ...
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Perhaps... "The Brosna"... "Where's The Cat?
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2377
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/6983
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by tulloch
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/79
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by Kenny
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1294
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by Kenny
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4290
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by Kenny
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/1172
http://www.thesession.org/recordings/index/search?name=angelina&search_start=0
For the craic...
http://www.thesession.org/recordings/index/search?name=the+great+danes&search_start=0
http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/2290
***
A nice combination of instro's. don't try and rip off sets, but instead listen to how they play together.
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by Hugo Chavez
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Whichever tunes you play best together.
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by 52Paddy
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
for d second comment there why is it when ever
i post somthing on this website somebody's always
got a little ignorint comment to so u keep yer mouth
shut if yer gona say stuff like that ri. i asked for information
not an argument or a negitive comment.
besides dat thanks for the other great replies i got an il check
those tunes out thanks lads an lassies
# Posted on May 5th 2009 by alim010
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Paddy52 is right.
PS Haven't you got spellcheck on your computer ?
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Please, please use coherent grammar and spelling when posting. Doesn't have to be English major perfect, it just needs to utilize the odd period, comma, and capital letter. "Text-speak" in all its incarnations is really hard to read.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by DrSilverSpear
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
I managed it all right.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
SilverSpear: alim010 makes himself perfectly clear and I agree with him.
Grammar does not include periods (full stops) and commas. These are punctuation marks. Punctuation and grammar are two different systems. I''m not usually interested in the correct use of either on this forum, but I think you are being a bit hypocritical, especially as you have made a very common error in your own use of punctuation in your second sentence. You have attempted to join two clauses (both of which can be considered to be sentences in their own right) with a joining comma, but you haven't used a conjunction. This mistake is known as a 'comma splice'. Perhaps you should have written 'It doesn't have to English major perfect, but it needs to utilize the odd period, comma and capital letter.' I've also tidied up some of the grammatical problems in this sentence. Alternatively you may have used a semi-colon instead of the comma in this sentence.
I know that you made a point of saying that 'Doesn't [sic] have to be English major perfect,' but your punctuation error is very basic. Perhaps you should look at your own use of English before you criticise others.
My own grammar and punctuation are not perfect. I just don't like this kind of hypocrisy. In fact I'm sure that I've made many errors here myself. Innit?
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
OK OK I've just noticed I wrote 'I"m'! I told you my punctuation is not perfect!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
I would point out that you should not really use words like 'but' after a comma either (or the word 'and').
Also, if you are providing a quote in your sentence you should have a comma before the quote as in:
"Perhaps you should have written, 'It doesn't have to BE English major perfect but it needs to utilise the odd full stop, comma and capital letter.'"
Generally the comma is employed very badly by most people, with no real understanding of its purpose.
As an aside I am not sure the phrase 'English major perfect' is a real one.
Ultimately we could go on constantly picking up on other people's mistakes but generally the point is that Emily writes in coherant sentences, as do you. alim010 did not. I would agree that I could understand what he said but it was not straight forward. It doesn't need to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination but it is nice to see a bit of effort used.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
To get away from the distractions of writing styles etc, can someone please tell me what makes a tune good for use in a duet. If both are playing the same notes surely it is only a matter of finding a tune or tunes that you both know well.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Donough
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
To get back to the distractions of writing styles, while it's true that there are no commas in speech, and hence in grammar, speaking as a linguist now, it's also true that written representation of language (like written represenation of tunes!) is a lossy format: conversion of speech to written text invariably loses information. Punctuation and standardized spelling are tools to restore some of that information, so that the rest of us can make sense of what's said.
Now, speaking not as a linguist but as a reader of a message board, I tend to think that use of those tools is a matter of courtesy and of self-respect, both of which are important. Courtesy, in that you're taking some effort to make it possible for others to read what you're writing, and self-respect in that you're showing that you think what you've written is worth reading, and you're going to take the effort to make it readable.
If you have neither the courtesy nor the self-respect to learn and use standard spelling and punctuation, why on earth would you expect someone to take the time to read what you've written?
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
No Cause for Alarm:
'But' and 'and' are conjunctions. It's perfectly acceptable to use them after joining commas, and your statement is completely untrue. Yes the comma is generally employed very badly by most people, and you seem to be one of them if you do not know this. There are also other circumstances in which you may use conjunctions after commas. For instance when you use bracketing commas. There's an example in the next paragraph as it happens.
Using a comma before a quotation is not incorrect, but many English writers (in England) consider it unnecessary as it has no real function or purpose although many, but not all, British publishers prefer it. I suppose it depends on whether you follow a 'logical' or 'conventional' style of punctuation usage. Neither of us is wrong in this case. It's OK either way as long as you are consistent with the usage.
You should go back to school or do some proper research.
Anyway that's not the point. I was just trying to point out the hypocrisy of the earlier post. There's enough lecturing that goes on around here about how to play and listen to music. We don't need any more when it comes to how we write our language. As long as people communicate here in a way that's readily understood then that's fine by me. Alim010 made his point very succinctly. I think that the consensus around here is that writing is not a good thing anyway . . .
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Also, 'alim010', there are many things you could say about Michael, but if you call him ignorant, you're saying more about yourself than about him.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
By the way No Cause For Alarm you are not even following your own advice.
Why are YOU not using a comma before the quote you cite? It's not even a direct quote although you present it as such.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Llig thinks that if we were to discover Mozart's manuscripts now without knowing anything about him, or without a tradition of playing his music, the said music would be 'very poor music indeed.' He certainly is ignorant about some things Jon.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Anyway back to the discussion. Look up Barbara Hackett and Mick O'connor on Google. They play some lovely stuff on banjo and box. Good luck m8!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
You should do what 52Paddy said. If you don't, you'll end up with what Llig said. Play your best stuff to show off.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Oh, please, Joel. Don't tell me you think Alim was referring to Mozart. And don't tell me you would agree with him - a prepubescent little snot getting his rocks off calling people names in a public forum is annoying, but you're not that, and you agreeing with him would just be embarrassing...
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
I am sorry Joel but you are wrong. There is not much more that can be said about that. I just despair your obvious lack of an education.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
What is Joel wrong about? Its clearly you who are mistaken in relation to his education!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
In context, I said that Mozart's music would be very much the poorer if we were to discover his manuscripts now without knowing anything about him, or without the continuing tradition of playing his music ever since it was written.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by ...
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
This is a great combination of instruments - I'm now thinking of Joe Cooley / Des Mulkere and more recently Charlie Harris / Des Mulkere - so your chance of winning is just as good, if not better, than anyone elses. However, if your only reason for entering a Fleadh is to win, then I'd strongly recommend against it as there are so many imponderables not to mention the awesome standard of some of today's younger players. On the other hand if you want to enter into the spirit of the thing, which can be very enjoyable, then give it your best shot and, whatever the result, you can't lose. As for choice of tunes, I'd say pick the ones you enjoy most and feel comfortable playing. Anyway, the very best of luck and hopefully we'll see you in Tullamore!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Bannerman
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Jon, Are you calling llig "a prepubescent little snot getting his rocks off calling people names in a public forum?" I am so confused....perhaps if all of you were using better English, I might understand what you are going on about........
Back to the original point. In this music, a duet would consist of two instruments playing together in unison. A good tune is a good tune, whether it is played alone, in duet, in trio, etc. There are some tunes well suited for particular instruments, but the real limiting factor is how well our original poster can play a tune, and how well the duet partner can play the same tune. Thus the answer might be better determined between the two of them, and not by asking strangers.
alim010, is this your first time at a fleadh? What experience do you have in playing? What experience does you friend have? Do you already have any favorite tunes that the two of you share? A little more information from you, and about what you want, would make our job easier.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by AlBrown
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Can the moderator delete the sh*t not related to the post?
what a joke.
"I'm right"
"No I am"
"Leave lig alone, he said great stuff about the music I kept on my hard drive, he's my hero"
cringe.
***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgN20aFjAWI
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Hugo Chavez
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
52 Paddy is right, but just for your information, fleadh rules are that both players must play the tune at all times, also you can't do two of the same type of tune. I don't know what age group you are, but for example, if it's under 15 you have to do 3 tunes, so chose something like one reel, one jig and one hornpipe. Two reels and a jig and you'll be disqualified.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by cathycook
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Observations of spelling, punctuation and grammar in posts are best reserved for spotting whether Dick Miles or tradpiper are trying to post under the cover of aliases.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Sorry everyone. I was just trying to point out someone's hypocrisy in an earlier post.
Jon: calm down and read this http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/21417
No Cause for Alarm: you need to learn more about commas. I didn't write the rules.
Llig: you wrote it. Even you can't change that now.
Hugo: yes. Sorry.
alim0101: good luck in your competition.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
alim0101 seems like another lurker who has no bio information or tunes in his tunebook.
Add to that his use of the English language noted previously, I feel no inclination to respond to his posts. Sorry!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Celtic Guitar
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Joel, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, or you misunderstood, about my comment about Mozart in the other thread. I hope you understand what I was trying to say now.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by ...
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
That much is very clear Mr McDermott!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
and this weeks award for pomposity goes to...
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by ramblingpitchfork
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
The teetotaller!,
Galway hornpipe
The Clare jig.
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
There are so many of us to choose from Chris that I wouldn't like to be the judge in that one!
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
When joining a conversation online, it’s a good idea to observe and follow the indigenous standards for written communication. if u dont c mbrs ritn llike this then dont rite like this. If you see established members writing complete sentences and *generally* following the normal “rules” of informal writing (as, for example, in old-fashioned letter writing), then *generally* follow that standard. Isn’t it obvious?
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
&
well put Bob
- chris
# Posted on May 6th 2009 by ramblingpitchfork
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Maybe he types with one finger (or thumbs). Thats the reason for the spelling problem. It's obvious that a person can only watch so much internet porn.
# Posted on May 7th 2009 by Lint - upon - Tweed
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
well al brown i have been playing irish music since i was
5 and i am now 16 now i have competed in about 10 fleadh
and my partner has about the same experience and i eat
sleep and drink music have been playing the banjo
since i was ten
# Posted on May 7th 2009 by alim010
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
Come on No Cause For Alarm: tell me more about my mistakes with commas. I'm itching to know. Try to back it up with more than your last comment,
Llig: your point about Mozart in the other thread was made very clearly. What you're saying now is half-back track and half u-turn. You still don't know what you're talking about though.
alim010: don't bother with this forum if you are looking for advice and encouragement. You'll only find derision and smarmy rudeness.
# Posted on May 8th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
PS Spot the deliberate comma mistakes in the last post. He he.
# Posted on May 8th 2009 by McDermott
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
alim010, don't really know much about these competitions but ,imo, if you pick tunes that are within the rules and your duo can make them dance, you and the listeners should enjoy the music, whatever the competition result..
Ignore the language fascists and communicate !
good luck, steve
# Posted on May 11th 2009 by selston steve
Re: good tunes to use in a duet
well steve thanks for that
ye im even taking note of this
ony for the tunes people have given me?
# Posted on May 11th 2009 by alim010