hi lads.does any one know where i can find bodhrán skins.i dont want to here any wise cracks about the bodhrán.those who make such remarks show their ignorance of the instrument.
hobgoblin(dotcom) do a range of supplies including imported 22" goat skins. If anyone interested in traditional instruments hasn't heard of them, I recommend a look at their website
Theres plenty of dogs put down every week , if you can skin one and cure it im sure the local kennels would oblige. cost nufin. Theres a fella near me uses greyhounds. You dont need goats.
Seamus O Kane hmself used a variety of skins..
Dont confuse dislike of an instrument for ignorance. I would assume that its an acute awarness of the instrument rather than ignorance that precipitates these comments..
going by the above comments looks like they have been made by session snobs acting the size of their shoe rather than their age need to grow up get a life and spit the dummy tit out.
Someone a bit sensitive about their instrument? Seems to me the national pastime of Ireland is slagging one another (at least if you like each other... ) So where's the harm in a few instrument-related wise cracks? We all have to face it to one degree or another. The good one-liners always give me a laugh, especially when they're directed at my main instrument of choice (tenor banjo).
The problem with trying to pre-admonish people for their wise cracks is that it just invites it all the more... And I would say that a bodhrán player who is not able to handle the wise cracks is showing some ignorance for the instrument as well. Because I'm sure there's a long, storied history of slagging the bodhrán players...
So if I were you, I'd learn to laugh at it like the rest of us, instead of being hyper-sensitive and uptight about it.
"Oh please please no wise cracks, you are all just infantile, ignorant eedjits." ... from someone whose ignorance of the music is such that they "play" an "instrument" incapable of playing tunes.
The steady drip drip against bodhran players is very important. And the more they complain, the more it'll just keep on coming. Get used to it, or see the light and learn to play the tunes.
o god lads.i did not want to start an argument.what i am saying is that because people do not like the instrument is because half the people that play it do not play it right and others have not heard it being played right and dis like the instrument
i also play many other instruments.pipes,flute, tinwhistle,concertiana and the bodhran.so do not tell me to''see the light and learn to play the tunes!!!!!!
1. The natural Irish affinity for slagging.
2. The natural affinity musicians' have for slagging the drummer.
Give over, SWFL
1;There is nothing Irish about the majority of Bodhran slaggers here.
2. There is no natural affinity for musicians to slag drummers, its a social construct.
Its over done, childish and repetitive, but at least it gives us something to argue and fight about
To be fair to bodhran players, it's only about 97% of them that give the rest a bad name. When a bodhran player can't play it properly, it's incredibly off putting for the other musicians.
The majority of people wandering around with bodhrans can't play it properly. Which makes me wonder if maybe it's one of the harder instruments to master.
Percussion instruments in general aren't anything as straightforward or easy to play, let alone master, as most people would like to think. A less-than-competent percussionist in a band or orchestra is a musical disaster waiting to happen - and you don't have to wait long. In my time as an orchestral player I've known 3 or 4 such percussionists leave the orchestra precipitately after ruining a piece in a concert. On the other hand, the good ones are very much sought after - rare items indeed.
I don't give two toots that percussion instruments in general aren't anything as straightforward or easy to play, let alone master, as most people would like to think.
It matters not a jot.
Unless of course, you concider why, within this music, you would want to put in all that effort, and not even play a bloody tune?
Llig I'm sure you're a lovely guy and I hope to meet you some day, but why oh why does it matter what someone else wants to do with this music? Why does it matter to you if someone wants to go boompity boom with it? Why oh why? Do you own the tradition or sumfink? Do you really fink that ITM will be permanentlly harmed by a bit of bang bang shakey doo dah? Percussion is a beautiful art. Accept it. Enjoy it.
Apart from feeling kind of protective about the music, which I know is kind of pointless and a bit arrogant (I can't help it, you want to protect something you love), I really couldn't care less if someone wants to simply thwack away (unless they do it in my vicinity of course). But what confuses, astonishes and annoys me, is why? Why not learn the tunes? The tunes are great.
Joel, of course it matters.
If five people are working together to stitch a beautiful tapestery, does it matter if a sixth person joins in and scribbles on it in crayon? That is what is happening when a bad precussionist joins a session.
Five people working together stitching a beautiful tapestery. Colourful, ornate, full of fine detail and texture. The a sixth person comes in and sews a net curtain over the top of it.
I have some lovely kangaroo skins but they are frightfully expensive compared with the pakistani goatskins that are the next best thing. Lotsa people stock them,I don't know where you are.
(I don't know where I am half the time, but it helps with postage and customs etc.)
A question that occurs to me. Do people who do not kindly tolerate percussion instruments in sessions (even bodhrán or spoons if played well) ever audibly tap their feet when playing or complain if others do?
It's a good question. Mr Bodhran Bliss often brings that one up. He says the bodhran is preferable over some fiddler thumping his DMs on the floor boards. He may be right.
No, we don't audibly tap our feet. (Unless someone's timing is drifting, and they'll get a short sharp burst of a heavy down beat along with a scowl). Yes, it's distracting if you can hear feet being banged on the floor. Everybody taps differently. Some like to tap just ahead of the beat, some on it, some behind, some on 1 & 3, some on heal toe heal toe etc. It'd be a right bloody racket if you could hear it.
Much better to learn how to put the energy and bounce through your knee by rolling the ball of your foot. Sure, you make a bit of noise, but you have to learn to keep it down.
I agree sketch. but are we talking about a bad percussionist? The same applies if a bad piper, or heaven forbids, Piano accordion player joins in.. I think we are assuming that we are talking about a musician who is welcome in most sessions, but not some.
Lads, no-one minds a bit of playful banter about anything.
Hell, I do it myself
The truth is, though, that the bodhran is fierce mighty when played properly! ;)
Interesting bit about the foot-tapping llig. I have just noticed that if my foot is landing then the sound is on the beat, but if I am doing it silently the beat is much earlier in the movement.
Not that I am always sure if I am playing in time with my tapping or vice versa.
Recently someone was posting about going on a bodhran-making course.
What was the result ?
And has anyone else here made their own, or refurbished it ? Apart from srt19170 ?
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hi lads.does any one know where i can find bodhrán skins.i dont want to here any wise cracks about the bodhrán.those who make such remarks show their ignorance of the instrument.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by trad man
Re: bodhrán skins
Here:
http://tinyurl.com/bodhranskin
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by tnoumarap
Re: bodhrán skins
hobgoblin(dotcom) do a range of supplies including imported 22" goat skins. If anyone interested in traditional instruments hasn't heard of them, I recommend a look at their website
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by gam
Re: bodhrán skins
Theres plenty of dogs put down every week , if you can skin one and cure it im sure the local kennels would oblige. cost nufin. Theres a fella near me uses greyhounds. You dont need goats.
Seamus O Kane hmself used a variety of skins..
Dont confuse dislike of an instrument for ignorance. I would assume that its an acute awarness of the instrument rather than ignorance that precipitates these comments..
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by Miss Mulligan
Re: bodhrán skins
contact your local badger bating club. They often dispose of surplus greyhounds.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by Miss Mulligan
Re: bodhrán skins -- best made from bodhran players....?
Re: bodhrán skins -- best made from bodhrán players....?
Am I displaying my ignorance?
Please don't confuse bad taste with ignorance.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by David Levine
Re: bodhrán skins
going by the above comments looks like they have been made by session snobs acting the size of their shoe rather than their age need to grow up get a life and spit the dummy tit out.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by myparasgon
Re: bodhrán skins
Someone a bit sensitive about their instrument? Seems to me the national pastime of Ireland is slagging one another (at least if you like each other... ) So where's the harm in a few instrument-related wise cracks? We all have to face it to one degree or another. The good one-liners always give me a laugh, especially when they're directed at my main instrument of choice (tenor banjo).
The problem with trying to pre-admonish people for their wise cracks is that it just invites it all the more... And I would say that a bodhrán player who is not able to handle the wise cracks is showing some ignorance for the instrument as well. Because I'm sure there's a long, storied history of slagging the bodhrán players...
So if I were you, I'd learn to laugh at it like the rest of us, instead of being hyper-sensitive and uptight about it.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by Reverend
Re: bodhrán skins
With bodhráns you've got two things coming together:
1. The natural Irish affinity for slagging.
2. The natural affinity musicians' have for slagging the drummer.
A classic recipe!
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: bodhrán skins
Yeah, it's typical isn't it.
"Oh please please no wise cracks, you are all just infantile, ignorant eedjits." ... from someone whose ignorance of the music is such that they "play" an "instrument" incapable of playing tunes.
The steady drip drip against bodhran players is very important. And the more they complain, the more it'll just keep on coming. Get used to it, or see the light and learn to play the tunes.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
o god lads.i did not want to start an argument.what i am saying is that because people do not like the instrument is because half the people that play it do not play it right and others have not heard it being played right and dis like the instrument
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by trad man
Re: bodhrán skins
i also play many other instruments.pipes,flute, tinwhistle,concertiana and the bodhran.so do not tell me to''see the light and learn to play the tunes!!!!!!
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by trad man
Re: bodhrán skins
1. The natural Irish affinity for slagging.
2. The natural affinity musicians' have for slagging the drummer.
Give over, SWFL
1;There is nothing Irish about the majority of Bodhran slaggers here.
2. There is no natural affinity for musicians to slag drummers, its a social construct.
Its over done, childish and repetitive, but at least it gives us something to argue and fight about
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: bodhrán skins
A couple of years ago I used these guys:
http://leatherunltd.com/leather/rawhide/rawhide.html
I'm no expert on the "quality" of raw goat hide, but I liked the result and have been playing that skin for two years.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by srt19170
Re: bodhrán skins
To be fair to bodhran players, it's only about 97% of them that give the rest a bad name. When a bodhran player can't play it properly, it's incredibly off putting for the other musicians.
The majority of people wandering around with bodhrans can't play it properly. Which makes me wonder if maybe it's one of the harder instruments to master.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by tradshark
Re: bodhrán skins
It never ceases to amuse me that EVERY bodhran player shrugs off the hostility they get by blaming it on that "97%".
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
Percussion instruments in general aren't anything as straightforward or easy to play, let alone master, as most people would like to think. A less-than-competent percussionist in a band or orchestra is a musical disaster waiting to happen - and you don't have to wait long. In my time as an orchestral player I've known 3 or 4 such percussionists leave the orchestra precipitately after ruining a piece in a concert. On the other hand, the good ones are very much sought after - rare items indeed.
# Posted on April 5th 2009 by Trevor Jennings
Re: bodhrán skins
I don't give two toots that percussion instruments in general aren't anything as straightforward or easy to play, let alone master, as most people would like to think.
It matters not a jot.
Unless of course, you concider why, within this music, you would want to put in all that effort, and not even play a bloody tune?
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
i'm after one (of a 46cm diameter) _ anyone in South london?
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by lisaniska
Re: bodhrán skins
Llig I'm sure you're a lovely guy and I hope to meet you some day, but why oh why does it matter what someone else wants to do with this music? Why does it matter to you if someone wants to go boompity boom with it? Why oh why? Do you own the tradition or sumfink? Do you really fink that ITM will be permanentlly harmed by a bit of bang bang shakey doo dah? Percussion is a beautiful art. Accept it. Enjoy it.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by McDermott
Re: bodhrán skins
Apart from feeling kind of protective about the music, which I know is kind of pointless and a bit arrogant (I can't help it, you want to protect something you love), I really couldn't care less if someone wants to simply thwack away (unless they do it in my vicinity of course). But what confuses, astonishes and annoys me, is why? Why not learn the tunes? The tunes are great.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
Joel, of course it matters.
If five people are working together to stitch a beautiful tapestery, does it matter if a sixth person joins in and scribbles on it in crayon? That is what is happening when a bad precussionist joins a session.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by skreech
Re: bodhrán skins
Or if a good precussionist joins a session?
Five people working together stitching a beautiful tapestery. Colourful, ornate, full of fine detail and texture. The a sixth person comes in and sews a net curtain over the top of it.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
I have some lovely kangaroo skins but they are frightfully expensive compared with the pakistani goatskins that are the next best thing. Lotsa people stock them,I don't know where you are.
(I don't know where I am half the time, but it helps with postage and customs etc.)
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by mcknowall
Re: bodhrán skins
A question that occurs to me. Do people who do not kindly tolerate percussion instruments in sessions (even bodhrán or spoons if played well) ever audibly tap their feet when playing or complain if others do?
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by Trevor Jennings
Re: bodhrán skins
It's a good question. Mr Bodhran Bliss often brings that one up. He says the bodhran is preferable over some fiddler thumping his DMs on the floor boards. He may be right.
No, we don't audibly tap our feet. (Unless someone's timing is drifting, and they'll get a short sharp burst of a heavy down beat along with a scowl). Yes, it's distracting if you can hear feet being banged on the floor. Everybody taps differently. Some like to tap just ahead of the beat, some on it, some behind, some on 1 & 3, some on heal toe heal toe etc. It'd be a right bloody racket if you could hear it.
Much better to learn how to put the energy and bounce through your knee by rolling the ball of your foot. Sure, you make a bit of noise, but you have to learn to keep it down.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by ...
Re: bodhrán skins
I agree sketch. but are we talking about a bad percussionist? The same applies if a bad piper, or heaven forbids, Piano accordion player joins in.. I think we are assuming that we are talking about a musician who is welcome in most sessions, but not some.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: bodhrán skins
Lads, no-one minds a bit of playful banter about anything.
Hell, I do it myself
The truth is, though, that the bodhran is fierce mighty when played properly! ;)
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by jlocky
Re: bodhrán skins
..... and of course, none of the top Irish groups use them....
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by gone
Re: bodhrán skins
Interesting bit about the foot-tapping llig. I have just noticed that if my foot is landing then the sound is on the beat, but if I am doing it silently the beat is much earlier in the movement.
Not that I am always sure if I am playing in time with my tapping or vice versa.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by David50
Re: bodhrán skins
THANKS LADS FOR ALL THE COMMENTS
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by trad man
Re: bodhrán skins
Hey Mairtin, try www.bodojo.com
You'll get a straight answer there.
# Posted on April 6th 2009 by Fishmonger
Re: bodhrán skins
'The a sixth person comes in and sews a net curtain over the top of it.'
I actually have a very nice net curtain in my office. Yes -- a nice net curtain.
# Posted on April 7th 2009 by McDermott
Re: bodhrán skins
Recently someone was posting about going on a bodhran-making course.
What was the result ?
And has anyone else here made their own, or refurbished it ? Apart from srt19170 ?
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by Guernsey Pete