I have to admire him. One of the few people on earth who my singing voice is better than and that I play the guitar better than (some might argue that I sing better thab Buffy St, Marie also)...and he is a huge success
I think Bob Dylan is 10000x times more creative than anyone who plays the "right" way.
Ok, he's not the greatest musician but he brought a creative mind to popular music that has had an effect on anything from folk to rock to even rap in the last 40 years. Before Bob Dylan hardly anyone wanted to leave their comfort zone. Look at even Elvis Presley... Potentially the most famous musical artist in history. He only covered songs in his early days!!
Bob Dylan brought creativity to popular music- something it was lacking before. His influence is far superior to anyone that can "play correctly" or any of this crap. That stuff is irrelevant in the long run.
I like the bit in the behind the scenes filming of all the musicians singing, "We are the world" Stevie Wonder does the best impersonation of Bob Dylan singing his part.
Dylan freely admitted taking the tune of THE PATRIOT GAME from Clancy for WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE.
So, what else did he "steal" from Liam Clancy, Grego?
Dylan is Dylan and whether you like him or not is pretty irrelevant to the extent of his influence on music in general and songwriting in particular.
I agree with Beginner 4567 -there is too much emphasis on playing tunes "by the book" by a lot of people. Improvisation and creativity are what keep music, including Irish Trad, alive.
Dennis, he stole nothing whatsoever from Liam - just a frivolous, unpardonable, and perhaps even libelous remark on my part for which I am truly sorry and will regret to the end of my days.
But you have to admit, he would have looked great in an Arran sweater.
>>Dylan is Dylan and whether you like him or not is pretty irrelevant to the extent of his influence on music in general and songwriting in particular.>>
On some music, but by no means all , and on some song writing, but not all. and the question was <<Do you like Bob Dylan?>> Who IMO, is the best of the bunch named, but thats not saying a lot! any how he took loads of ideas and songs from old English folk I gather while he was in the UK as a youngster!
In the context ofTrad, they are all Irrelevant. and I question what relevance bob has in fact to songwriting in general?
Ionannas- Can you name someone more creative than Bob Dylan preceding 1963?
Please name some artists that could write better songs, play anything from traditional to popular music, and sell-out concerts around the world before 1963.
If I had to say which musician (non-traditional) influenced me most in listening to the music & eventually playing Irish sessions it would not be Bob Dylan, Donovan, or Van Morrison.
I listened very closely to Frank Zappa.
In a more traditional sense I 1st listened to Liam O'Flynn & Kevin Burke. . . Once I heard more uilleann pipers that was it.
Sure Bob Dylan is grand. His words & symbolism effected people profoundly. But honestly you cannot simply say "forget the electric" or any of the other dylanisms'
I don't know any Irish-American 17-year-olds who like Bob Dylan or have ever uttered "1963" - you're either interesting or weird or both - 150% of those maybe
'Ionannas- Can you name someone more creative than Bob Dylan preceding 1963?
Please name some artists that could write better songs, play anything from traditional to popular music, and sell-out concerts around the world before 1963.'
Mozart played and wrote popular music. He also wrote loads of operas. You must really be living in a time warp if you are 20. You've aged three years in two days:
I think Dylan's good. He's music's equivalent to Picasso, but as far as I can see he's a lot more likeable - at any rate, not a fairly thoroughgoing monster like el Pablo.
I've always thought well of Simon and Garfunkel. "Cathy's Song" is startlingly clear and poignant compared to trillions of other guitarnik love-songs over the decades, it deserves to survive. I haven't heard the stuff they did later in life.
I bought a Donovan compilation not long ago to revisit my youth - oh dear, what an embarassment...but I gather he's a decent guy who's carried on playing in relative obscurity. "The British Dylan" he certainly wasn't, but it was others who called him that - he didn't set himself up as that, as far as I know.
Van Morrison sounded to me as if he was undergoing some cruel and unusual punishment on an epic scale, maybe like Prometheus chained to a rock and having his liver constantly eaten by a vulture, that sort of thing. I recall a line, "Loved you then and there like a sheep...": or perhaps it was, "Loved you there and then like a sheep..."; and I wonder what he meant.
Dennis Regan; anyone who emphasises learning music "by the book" knowns nothing about trad, but it's not "creativity and improvisation" that keep Irish music alive. You learn the tunes by ear, by listening to and playing alongside people who've been exploring the music longer than you. It's participation that keeps the music alive. The individuals who stand out in Irish trad stand out because of their participation in that process of listening, learning and passing on. The music is bigger than any one person. The world of pop and rock music have their divas and megastars, but if you want to immerse yourself in traditional music, keep away from those ideas, they won't help you at all.
you know most of the people on this site aren't so young right? so posing as a 17/20 year-old won't have quite the same effect as on other forums (just fyi)
WARNING! WARNING! CONSPIRACY ALERT!!! Evildoers are infiltrating the site pretending to be newbies and asking seemingly innocent leading questions. Be on your guard everyone and don't answer any questions without extreme sarcasm just in case the writer is having you on. We are in EXTREME DANGER!
Oh dear, I just read the messages at face value but the insinuations are getting obvious enough for even me to take notice.
Val DoonICan.......sp, see me afterwards......
Dylan's pinching of The Patriot Game was from Dominic Behan, not Liam Clancy ( who may have sung it, but I know who WROTE it ).
I also refer the forum to a song called "Can you sing any Bob Dylan?", by a leading singer-songwriter of the folk world.
Meanwhile....yeah, I like the early folkie Dylan. Did you know that both most of the tune and the theme of "Lay Down Your Weary Tune" are from Primrose, p47 top in the Sacred Harp Songbook ?
Not a lot of people know that.
Bredna, I am sure there are user names with more than 1 person using the same handle. & I don't have a problem with brothers (or husband & wife . . . ) sharing an identity. In this case I did not know the circumstances, plus I cross posted w/Joel & airport. I will now assume beginnr4567 may be at times the younger brother . . . & at times be the 20 year old.
A skinny Minnesotan who saw huge potential in the early 1960s in singing idealistic ballads in a concocted, folksy Okie voice. The kids ate it up, proving that products that delivered a tingle of self-congratulations had become highly marketable.
Idealistic ballads are a damn site better to listen to than more of the same ole lurve songs done the same ole way.
This posting inspired me to chuck some Bob songs on to play while I did my work. It's Friday arvo and not alot of work anyway which is why I'm on this site wasting away the time. Now Ballad of a Thin Man is waffling away - sure ain't idealistic - more like sarcastic, but an enjoyable listen anyway.
Much as a flaming pie flew to John Lennon and told him, "Thou shalt be Beatles," a pencil-twiddling music exec saith unto Zimmerman, from the far side of the teak desk in NYC: "Howzabout Bob Thoreau, or . . . Bobby Wordsworth maybe? Naw, let's go back to what was that, Dylan? Right, Bob Dylan. You cool with that? Are the kids still saying 'cool' by the way? Here, have a Pall Mall."
But heck, when a commercial artist wins big media over enough to have it say he's transcended his little milieu and is now a major artiste—well, shucks, bravo.
Bob - I'm 54 and I don't understand it. He's had an influence on
pop music. Otherwise he was a part of a huge cultural shift but
it's not like he's responsible for that. Is pop music important?
I have just called in a favour from a friend in the CIA, who has confirmed that the electronic DNA found in the computers of Donagh 17, beginner 4567, and Navarana are all a perfect match.
Like so many Jewish performers and actors of the time he felt it necessary to change his name to hide his ethnic origins. I wonder what difference it would made have if he kept his given name. probably not much because he was a genius.
No point me ramblin' on about the genius of Bob, I surely could and probably should, another time, eh. Suffice to say that Tell Tale Signs was the best album of last year by any artist and that it was released 46 years after his first masterpiece. £90 for the 3 CD version? I hear you all chorus, that's approx the same price as 9 corrs albums or an investment bankers cufflink. VFM if ever I seen it.
Guernsey, there is a film clip of Dylan where he says that he heard the tune of THE PATRIOT GAME from Liam Clancy - but, yes the song was indeed written by Dominic Behan.
Hammurabi - Hmm...yes, maybe I was a bit OTT there - You are very much right in that the passing on of the tunes from generation to generation is what keeps the music alive.
BUT.... I do think there is a lot of room within the tunes for improvisation and room to be a little creative, and I have always felt that its important not to just play the tune note for note all the time.
He stole his name from Dylan Thomas? Bloomin' heck? I always thought it was from that rabbit on Magic Roundabout.
But one things for sure, though he has written a few brilliant songs, he can't play or sing for toffee. Have you heard that record where he played everything, the drums, the bass, the lot? Dear oh dear.
I can't remember, I heard it twenty odd years ago. I'm not really interested in him, I just thought the fawning on this thread needed a bit of balance. If I'm wrong about him making record where he played everything, I'm sorry. (but maybe that's worse? He hired a bunch of people who couldn't play for toffee.)
Dennis,
1. Duncan & Brady 3:47 (Unreleased, 1992)
2. Cold Irons Bound 5:57 (Live at Bonnaroo, 2004)
3. Mississippi 6:24 (Unreleased version #3, Time Out of Mind)
4. Most of the Time 5:10 (Alternate version #2, Oh Mercy)
5. Ring Them Bells 3:18 (Alternate version, Oh Mercy)
6. Things Have Changed 5:32 (Live, June 15, 2000, Portland, OR)
7. Red River Shore 7:08 (Unreleased version #2, Time Out of Mind)
8. Born in Time 4:19 (Unreleased version #2, Oh Mercy)
9. Tryin' to Get to Heaven 5:10 (Live, October 5, 2000, London, England)
10. Marchin' to the City 3:39 (Unreleased version #2, Time Out of Mind)
11. Can't Wait 7:24 (Alternate version #2, Time Out of Mind)
12. Mary and the Soldier 4:23 (Unreleased, World Gone Wrong).
Worth the huge extra premium? I doubt if many people splashed out on it so it will be a rare thing in 20 years from now, bit like myself, really!
Hmm, a third Mississippi? Ring Them Bells might be interesting.
I'd like to have it - but not at that price. No sireeeee.
For completists only, I reckon.
Thanks for the track listing, Stray.
The 3rd Mississippi is probably not as good as at least one of the versions on the double disc, there, you feel better already. His new album is out next month and comes in a 2CD/DVD deluxe version which should retail for less than £20.
Yes, hands up, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about with regards to Bob. I know he can't play or sing, and I know he's hugely popular, so much so he can charge a fortune for a CD. Yep, one of life's mysteries, I haven't a clue.
Which begs the question, what's the thread doing here in the first place?
Well, I don’t know how *important* Dylan has been (that’s a value judgment that will be debated for a long time) and I don’t know how his influence could be objectively measured, but, without looking for it, I keep encountering evidence that it’s been remarkably strong and persistent. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard of university lectures and courses devoted to Dylan’s songs, poetry, lyrics as poetry, influence on popular music, influence on literature, influence on art, etc. To this litany, we could add inspiring drug use and bad songwriting.
I’m generally quick to argue that individuals are very, very rarely single-handedly responsible for artistic or cultural shifts (I’ve seen too many individuals receive credit or blame for developments that I witnessed growing organically) and I don’t think that Dylan is one of those very, very rare individuals, but I think maybe he’s close.
[Come to think of it, 50-60 is probably too young to bear witness to the way things changed in the 60’s.]
Most of our rulers and quangocrats probably put in time with Dylan, Van Morrison, Simon and Garfunkel etc. on the turntable as they drank rotgut Spanish wine and cursed their tutors in rancid student basements encrusted with patchouli and joss-stick smoke.
As soon as I read the title to this thread the picture of my old mate Jim McD. came to my mind, doing "Can you sing any Dylan?" - a parody-type of song that went round in English folk clubs 30-40 years ago. It ends with the first lines of Blowing in the Wind. Anybody remember it? People were fed up with all the Dylan imitations then.
Anyway, I think it's nice that some youngsters want to find out about the hero of a former gemeration.
Dylan is the greatest songwriter ever, no question. If asked to name your favourite Dylan song, you could spend a month answering, and then change your mind again. Absolute legend.
I also like Simon, Waits, Cohen, Nick Drake, Thompson, Lightfoot, Mitchell, and a host of others, all good song writers.
A song should be all about the words, and no one was better than Dylan with words, except possibly Shakespeare who didn't play the guitar.
Bob, during my young adulthood Nixon was caught with
his pants down, famous rock stars chocked on their own
vomit, Dylan became a "born again Christian", AIDS was
recognised, Jerry Ruben became a stockbroker ....
I can identify more with 'God save the Queen, she ain't no
human bein'" than with "the answer is blowin the wind"
Do you like Bob Dylan?
Do you like Bob Dylan?
Just curious... Like his folk era, forget the electric stuff.
What about Simon and Garfunkel?
And Donovan?
And Van Morrison (I'm going to see Van in the Orpheum Theatre in a month!!)
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Donagh17
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Go back and tell Mammy she left the back door open
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Red Robin
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
huh
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Donagh17
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I have to admire him. One of the few people on earth who my singing voice is better than and that I play the guitar better than (some might argue that I sing better thab Buffy St, Marie also)...and he is a huge success
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by zippydw
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I think Bob Dylan is 10000x times more creative than anyone who plays the "right" way.
Ok, he's not the greatest musician but he brought a creative mind to popular music that has had an effect on anything from folk to rock to even rap in the last 40 years. Before Bob Dylan hardly anyone wanted to leave their comfort zone. Look at even Elvis Presley... Potentially the most famous musical artist in history. He only covered songs in his early days!!
Bob Dylan brought creativity to popular music- something it was lacking before. His influence is far superior to anyone that can "play correctly" or any of this crap. That stuff is irrelevant in the long run.
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
And just to support the OP, this is somewhat related to ITM becasuse Bobby was inspired by Irish music in his early days (Clancy Brothers, etc.).
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Stole his stuff from Liam Clancy. Should have worn an Arran sweater if he was going to do that.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by grego
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
No, cant stand em. Horrible stuff IMO,
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I like the bit in the behind the scenes filming of all the musicians singing, "We are the world" Stevie Wonder does the best impersonation of Bob Dylan singing his part.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Dylan freely admitted taking the tune of THE PATRIOT GAME from Clancy for WITH GOD ON OUR SIDE.
So, what else did he "steal" from Liam Clancy, Grego?
Dylan is Dylan and whether you like him or not is pretty irrelevant to the extent of his influence on music in general and songwriting in particular.
I agree with Beginner 4567 -there is too much emphasis on playing tunes "by the book" by a lot of people. Improvisation and creativity are what keep music, including Irish Trad, alive.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Dennis, he stole nothing whatsoever from Liam - just a frivolous, unpardonable, and perhaps even libelous remark on my part for which I am truly sorry and will regret to the end of my days.
But you have to admit, he would have looked great in an Arran sweater.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by grego
Bob Dylan?
The operative word being *songwriter*
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Love 'The Band'
& saw/heard them twice w/Dylan.
Rolling Thunder . . . lots of guest artists.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
>>Dylan is Dylan and whether you like him or not is pretty irrelevant to the extent of his influence on music in general and songwriting in particular.>>
On some music, but by no means all , and on some song writing, but not all. and the question was <<Do you like Bob Dylan?>> Who IMO, is the best of the bunch named, but thats not saying a lot! any how he took loads of ideas and songs from old English folk I gather while he was in the UK as a youngster!
In the context ofTrad, they are all Irrelevant. and I question what relevance bob has in fact to songwriting in general?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Ionannas- Can you name someone more creative than Bob Dylan preceding 1963?
Please name some artists that could write better songs, play anything from traditional to popular music, and sell-out concerts around the world before 1963.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
If I had to say which musician (non-traditional) influenced me most in listening to the music & eventually playing Irish sessions it would not be Bob Dylan, Donovan, or Van Morrison.
I listened very closely to Frank Zappa.
In a more traditional sense I 1st listened to Liam O'Flynn & Kevin Burke. . . Once I heard more uilleann pipers that was it.
Sure Bob Dylan is grand. His words & symbolism effected people profoundly. But honestly you cannot simply say "forget the electric" or any of the other dylanisms'
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
The electric is good too but folk is better let's admit it.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I don't know any Irish-American 17-year-olds who like Bob Dylan or have ever uttered "1963" - you're either interesting or weird or both - 150% of those maybe
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by airport
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
'Ionannas- Can you name someone more creative than Bob Dylan preceding 1963?
Please name some artists that could write better songs, play anything from traditional to popular music, and sell-out concerts around the world before 1963.'
Ummmm . . . Mozart? Beethoven? etc. etc.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by McDermott
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Irving Berlin, George Gershwin, Cole Porter, Franz Schubert,
Woody Guthrie ... anyone else born before 1980 care to join in?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
airport I'm 20 and I'm pretty sure I've said "1963" before, and I like Bob Dylan as well.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Before Dylan?
I don't know the statistics but probably Jame Brown.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
woody guthrie and mozart did not play popular music....
mozart did not write lyrics to my knowledge...
woodie guthrie did not sell out concerts even in the US let alone the world....
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
you said 17 here:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/21053
I just got back from Honduras though - not sure how long I was there...
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by airport
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Steven Foster, Gilbert & Sullivan, Palestrina, Puccini, Verdi ....
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Mozart played and wrote popular music. He also wrote loads of operas. You must really be living in a time warp if you are 20. You've aged three years in two days:
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/21053
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by McDermott
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Oh and he sold out concerts all over the world too. Still does in fact.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by McDermott
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Sorry beginner4567, you're wrong about Mozart and Guthrie although
it is true that Mozart never performed in the USA and Guthrie
never sold out.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
A brief reminder ;)
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/21053
I'm a 17 year old Irish-American. My dad is from County Longford and my mom's parents are from Belfast, County Antrim.
March 25th 2009 by beginner4567
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I think Dylan's good. He's music's equivalent to Picasso, but as far as I can see he's a lot more likeable - at any rate, not a fairly thoroughgoing monster like el Pablo.
I've always thought well of Simon and Garfunkel. "Cathy's Song" is startlingly clear and poignant compared to trillions of other guitarnik love-songs over the decades, it deserves to survive. I haven't heard the stuff they did later in life.
I bought a Donovan compilation not long ago to revisit my youth - oh dear, what an embarassment...but I gather he's a decent guy who's carried on playing in relative obscurity. "The British Dylan" he certainly wasn't, but it was others who called him that - he didn't set himself up as that, as far as I know.
Van Morrison sounded to me as if he was undergoing some cruel and unusual punishment on an epic scale, maybe like Prometheus chained to a rock and having his liver constantly eaten by a vulture, that sort of thing. I recall a line, "Loved you then and there like a sheep...": or perhaps it was, "Loved you there and then like a sheep..."; and I wonder what he meant.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
My brother uses this account too... Sorry bout that.
And thank you for informing me about Mozart. But did Mozart appeal to all of society? OR just the rich?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
...unlike Dylan
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Dennis Regan; anyone who emphasises learning music "by the book" knowns nothing about trad, but it's not "creativity and improvisation" that keep Irish music alive. You learn the tunes by ear, by listening to and playing alongside people who've been exploring the music longer than you. It's participation that keeps the music alive. The individuals who stand out in Irish trad stand out because of their participation in that process of listening, learning and passing on. The music is bigger than any one person. The world of pop and rock music have their divas and megastars, but if you want to immerse yourself in traditional music, keep away from those ideas, they won't help you at all.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hammurabi Breathnach
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Donagh - if you are going to see him, you could ask him what he meant...
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Good points!
nicholas- I lol'd so hard when you said Donovan's music was an "embarrassment." He's a bit on the touchy side, yeah lol.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Anybody who has a 'set of pipes' called after him is all right in my book. Mind you I also have a thing for Val Doonegan!
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Free Reed
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
you know most of the people on this site aren't so young right? so posing as a 17/20 year-old won't have quite the same effect as on other forums (just fyi)
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by airport
?
Is anyone else having a difficult time sussing out the difference between Donagh17 & Patrick91 . . .
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
"mozart did not write lyrics to my knowledge..."
expand yr knowledge
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Random_notes- Patrick91 and Donagh17 are the same person.
I changed my username. If you look at the top of my profile it says that in big letters.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Donagh17
I know
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
WARNING! WARNING! CONSPIRACY ALERT!!! Evildoers are infiltrating the site pretending to be newbies and asking seemingly innocent leading questions. Be on your guard everyone and don't answer any questions without extreme sarcasm just in case the writer is having you on. We are in EXTREME DANGER!
Oh dear, I just read the messages at face value but the insinuations are getting obvious enough for even me to take notice.
Paranoia anyone?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Bredna
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
By the way I do very much like Bob D.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Bredna
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Val DoonICan.......sp, see me afterwards......
Dylan's pinching of The Patriot Game was from Dominic Behan, not Liam Clancy ( who may have sung it, but I know who WROTE it ).
I also refer the forum to a song called "Can you sing any Bob Dylan?", by a leading singer-songwriter of the folk world.
Meanwhile....yeah, I like the early folkie Dylan. Did you know that both most of the tune and the theme of "Lay Down Your Weary Tune" are from Primrose, p47 top in the Sacred Harp Songbook ?
Not a lot of people know that.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
'evildoers'? ......... most funny thing for ages. You missed a trick in the U.S. Hire some more! Osama was good, but these ones are better.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by pavlf
Posting
Bredna, I am sure there are user names with more than 1 person using the same handle. & I don't have a problem with brothers (or husband & wife . . . ) sharing an identity. In this case I did not know the circumstances, plus I cross posted w/Joel & airport. I will now assume beginnr4567 may be at times the younger brother . . . & at times be the 20 year old.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Back to Bob Zimmerman. Ya gotta hand it to him.
A skinny Minnesotan who saw huge potential in the early 1960s in singing idealistic ballads in a concocted, folksy Okie voice. The kids ate it up, proving that products that delivered a tingle of self-congratulations had become highly marketable.
That pitch still works, in politics especially.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
he never "saw it", it just happened to him. It wasn't sight at all
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Joan Baez saw something
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
that''s the worry of it all
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Idealistic ballads are a damn site better to listen to than more of the same ole lurve songs done the same ole way.
This posting inspired me to chuck some Bob songs on to play while I did my work. It's Friday arvo and not alot of work anyway which is why I'm on this site wasting away the time. Now Ballad of a Thin Man is waffling away - sure ain't idealistic - more like sarcastic, but an enjoyable listen anyway.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Bredna
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Much as a flaming pie flew to John Lennon and told him, "Thou shalt be Beatles," a pencil-twiddling music exec saith unto Zimmerman, from the far side of the teak desk in NYC: "Howzabout Bob Thoreau, or . . . Bobby Wordsworth maybe? Naw, let's go back to what was that, Dylan? Right, Bob Dylan. You cool with that? Are the kids still saying 'cool' by the way? Here, have a Pall Mall."
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
But heck, when a commercial artist wins big media over enough to have it say he's transcended his little milieu and is now a major artiste—well, shucks, bravo.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Well, we've talked about things farther afield than this.
I wonder if anyone younger than 50-60 can understand the magnitude and breadth of Dylan's influence.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Bob himself
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I thought that's why Scorcese makes movies.
I wanted to put in a plug for the band.
King Harvest 1970
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hsp4SBwO4&feature
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Bob - I'm 54 and I don't understand it. He's had an influence on
pop music. Otherwise he was a part of a huge cultural shift but
it's not like he's responsible for that. Is pop music important?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
To make it clearer, I don't understand why some people think he's
so important. He would tell you himself that he's not.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
DOSE ANYONE LIKE BODHRANS?
I have just called in a favour from a friend in the CIA, who has confirmed that the electronic DNA found in the computers of Donagh 17, beginner 4567, and Navarana are all a perfect match.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by oldstrings
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Like so many Jewish performers and actors of the time he felt it necessary to change his name to hide his ethnic origins. I wonder what difference it would made have if he kept his given name. probably not much because he was a genius.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by leoj
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Bob Zimmerman with a 'yah, heh there' Minnesota accent. Yeah
might have worked ...
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
"What else did Dylan steal?", someone asked above.
The name "Dylan" (from the Welsh poet, Dylan Thomas) - or so rumour has it ...
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
No point me ramblin' on about the genius of Bob, I surely could and probably should, another time, eh. Suffice to say that Tell Tale Signs was the best album of last year by any artist and that it was released 46 years after his first masterpiece. £90 for the 3 CD version? I hear you all chorus, that's approx the same price as 9 corrs albums or an investment bankers cufflink. VFM if ever I seen it.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by strayaway
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Guernsey, there is a film clip of Dylan where he says that he heard the tune of THE PATRIOT GAME from Liam Clancy - but, yes the song was indeed written by Dominic Behan.
Hammurabi - Hmm...yes, maybe I was a bit OTT there - You are very much right in that the passing on of the tunes from generation to generation is what keeps the music alive.
BUT.... I do think there is a lot of room within the tunes for improvisation and room to be a little creative, and I have always felt that its important not to just play the tune note for note all the time.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Strayaway - Tell-Tale Signs is excellent.
There's a 3rd CD?
What's on it?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
He stole his name from Dylan Thomas? Bloomin' heck? I always thought it was from that rabbit on Magic Roundabout.
But one things for sure, though he has written a few brilliant songs, he can't play or sing for toffee. Have you heard that record where he played everything, the drums, the bass, the lot? Dear oh dear.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by ...
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Which particular record is that, llig?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
yah which one is that I want to hear
It can't be THAT bad, right?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by beginner4567
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I can't remember, I heard it twenty odd years ago. I'm not really interested in him, I just thought the fawning on this thread needed a bit of balance. If I'm wrong about him making record where he played everything, I'm sorry. (but maybe that's worse? He hired a bunch of people who couldn't play for toffee.)
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by ...
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Dennis,
1. Duncan & Brady 3:47 (Unreleased, 1992)
2. Cold Irons Bound 5:57 (Live at Bonnaroo, 2004)
3. Mississippi 6:24 (Unreleased version #3, Time Out of Mind)
4. Most of the Time 5:10 (Alternate version #2, Oh Mercy)
5. Ring Them Bells 3:18 (Alternate version, Oh Mercy)
6. Things Have Changed 5:32 (Live, June 15, 2000, Portland, OR)
7. Red River Shore 7:08 (Unreleased version #2, Time Out of Mind)
8. Born in Time 4:19 (Unreleased version #2, Oh Mercy)
9. Tryin' to Get to Heaven 5:10 (Live, October 5, 2000, London, England)
10. Marchin' to the City 3:39 (Unreleased version #2, Time Out of Mind)
11. Can't Wait 7:24 (Alternate version #2, Time Out of Mind)
12. Mary and the Soldier 4:23 (Unreleased, World Gone Wrong).
Worth the huge extra premium? I doubt if many people splashed out on it so it will be a rare thing in 20 years from now, bit like myself, really!
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by strayaway
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Hugely informative, llig, just admit you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Knockin on your door, if my intelligence is right.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by strayaway
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Hmm, a third Mississippi? Ring Them Bells might be interesting.
I'd like to have it - but not at that price. No sireeeee.
For completists only, I reckon.
Thanks for the track listing, Stray.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
The 3rd Mississippi is probably not as good as at least one of the versions on the double disc, there, you feel better already. His new album is out next month and comes in a 2CD/DVD deluxe version which should retail for less than £20.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by strayaway
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Yes, hands up, I haven't a clue what I'm talking about with regards to Bob. I know he can't play or sing, and I know he's hugely popular, so much so he can charge a fortune for a CD. Yep, one of life's mysteries, I haven't a clue.
Which begs the question, what's the thread doing here in the first place?
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by ...
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Looking forward to the new CD and the show at O2 on April 25.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Can we start a thread about Steve Earle again??
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
I love Bob Dylan's *music*, but only when someone else is playing it.
Despite the fact that he's a brilliant songwriter, his own musical abilities (particularly his voice, which I cannot stand) really ruin it for me.
Then, I hear the same music being played by someone else and it's beautiful!
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by KeepFiddlin'
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yeah, my feelings also
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by ...
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Well, I don’t know how *important* Dylan has been (that’s a value judgment that will be debated for a long time) and I don’t know how his influence could be objectively measured, but, without looking for it, I keep encountering evidence that it’s been remarkably strong and persistent. I’ve lost count of the times I’ve heard of university lectures and courses devoted to Dylan’s songs, poetry, lyrics as poetry, influence on popular music, influence on literature, influence on art, etc. To this litany, we could add inspiring drug use and bad songwriting.
I’m generally quick to argue that individuals are very, very rarely single-handedly responsible for artistic or cultural shifts (I’ve seen too many individuals receive credit or blame for developments that I witnessed growing organically) and I don’t think that Dylan is one of those very, very rare individuals, but I think maybe he’s close.
[Come to think of it, 50-60 is probably too young to bear witness to the way things changed in the 60’s.]
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Bob himself
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But not Dylan clones!..
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Don't worry about authority reading this thread.
Most of our rulers and quangocrats probably put in time with Dylan, Van Morrison, Simon and Garfunkel etc. on the turntable as they drank rotgut Spanish wine and cursed their tutors in rancid student basements encrusted with patchouli and joss-stick smoke.
I am their age. I know.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by nicholas
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I had a dream last week and in it, Bob Dylan showed up at a session I play in (a western/folk/bluegrass session, kinda loose).
How many MILES.....
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Wyogal
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
From the little of Bob Dylan I know I think this is magic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qXvVxXPomQ
Sam
xx
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Sam Morris
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
As soon as I read the title to this thread the picture of my old mate Jim McD. came to my mind, doing "Can you sing any Dylan?" - a parody-type of song that went round in English folk clubs 30-40 years ago. It ends with the first lines of Blowing in the Wind. Anybody remember it? People were fed up with all the Dylan imitations then.
Anyway, I think it's nice that some youngsters want to find out about the hero of a former gemeration.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by kuec
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Dylan is the greatest songwriter ever, no question. If asked to name your favourite Dylan song, you could spend a month answering, and then change your mind again. Absolute legend.
I also like Simon, Waits, Cohen, Nick Drake, Thompson, Lightfoot, Mitchell, and a host of others, all good song writers.
A song should be all about the words, and no one was better than Dylan with words, except possibly Shakespeare who didn't play the guitar.
# Posted on March 28th 2009 by bodhran bliss
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Bob, during my young adulthood Nixon was caught with
his pants down, famous rock stars chocked on their own
vomit, Dylan became a "born again Christian", AIDS was
recognised, Jerry Ruben became a stockbroker ....
I can identify more with 'God save the Queen, she ain't no
human bein'" than with "the answer is blowin the wind"
# Posted on March 28th 2009 by Hup
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
What is this discussion about Bob Dylan doing on a web site about Irish music?
Yes, I do like his songs.
# Posted on March 28th 2009 by fauxcelt
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Aw, jaysus.....everything was goin ok 'til someone mentioned Shakespeare.....
The most overrated hack of all time...........
# Posted on March 28th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Blowin in the Wind? You pick the worst song Dylan did out of about 5,000.
Go and listen to Like a Rolling Stone, as a starter.
# Posted on March 29th 2009 by bodhran bliss
Re: Do you like Bob Dylan?
Sung by Hendrix, preferably.
# Posted on March 29th 2009 by leoj
Do you like?
;) "All Along the Watchtower"
. . . And Van Morrison (I'm going to see Van in the Orpheum Theatre in a month!!)
Posted on March 26th 2009 by Donagh17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuY1umk4R8s
Them, Gloria
# Posted on March 29th 2009 by Ben Steen