I am drunk - I have become one of the people who writes stuff up on the discussion board when they are in an altered state! Has anyone had the experience (that I am having now) of going out with friends other than your session companions and everyone drinks heavily and the other people are wasted at the end of the night (as in feeling ill blah blah blah) and you are completely fine and crisp and on the ball? It's a real worry. I have had a ridiculous amount to drink tonight but I can still spell yeah, and I could still do any maths question ever and calculate it in my head! I have it in my mind that my night out is only the "starter" and what follows should be my "night's drinking".... this is the consequence of spending long periods of time with Bridie Burke who is a BAD influence on me. Bridie sorry I didn't make it to the session today, I know you're going to have a go at me for it, but I didn't get round to buying any new strings. I had a 3 hour "nap" at lunchtime and started drinking when I woke up. Look what you have done to me! So basically my thread is: "Have you found that the playing-in-sessions-lifestyle has increased your tolerance towards alcohol?"
Ok, so you're lucid after drinking. What about before - are you aware and crsip, etc. anyway, or d'you need drink to get there? If the latter, then I'm worried for your health because of all the known facts about alcohol. I tend to stay away from drink, even at sessions. Sometimes I do , sometimes I don't.
And sometimes, I make typos without ddrink too. As you can see.
Cheers.
Hey, two words Dow: A________ A_________.... snicker...
No, not that A.A., (alchoholics anonymous)... nope, "Alternative Angeoplasms"...
You're at the point now that you need to give up the pint,,, Right? the point is the pint... Give up the Guiness, Dow, and take up Single Malt.... It's Scotch from here on out fer ya mate. That will get you where you need to go... g'day!
What *I* want to know, Dow, if you really do drink as much as you say you do, is how you maintain that trim, taut and terrific figure after consuming all those "empty" calories in sugar and alcohol.
Gee, sorry, didn't mean any preaching. Notice, I didn't say you should do or not do anything at all. Just mentioned my own preferences. Sorry if that's not politically correct here - think I'll shut up from now on.
Hey fiddlefingers, you don't bother me and I am
real sensitive due to the ends of my fingers being
raw from too much practicin.
:0) we all need to lighten up a mile, BTW would the
blind lousy dude who stole my pint of beer last evening
kindly return my pet flea who was swimming in the
froth.
Fiddlefingers, don't let the post-police get to you. I didn't see anything wrong with your comments, and mssrs Gill and Celtic will lighten up now that you've explained yourself, won't you lads?
Now we've got it alright about dri-ink, yes I actually sometimes take a glass of Guiness, but I'm one of those girls for whom it only takes a 1/4 pint, and I'm nicely loosened up for fiddling with fun, but any more and I think I might sit on my fiddle, and it's the only one I've got, etc., etc. Any other kind of alcoholic drink makes me sick in various ways I won't go into, so that's my sad story.
Yeah, let's hear some of Danny's dark tales - please?
This thread is so embarrassing and it's not going to disappear for heaps ages yet being right at the top of the page Tish your posts are the best. When you come to the session next time bring your fiddle and play us some tunes, and I'll make sure to get some new strings. Danny, I'm not a Geordie, I'm a Northumbrian. It's important to differentiate. I'm not racist or anything, but Northumbrians are a much higher class of people altogether! Isn't this an appropriate thread to tell us your tales of the dhrrink and the music? Now's your chance I'm all ears...
I love what bb said last Thursday about tunes and alcohol - if anyone else spent that many hours at the pub, they'd be called an alcoholic, but "we're musicians". I wonder if this'll start a run in the junk shops on all those old pine fiddle cases by drinkers looking for an effective disguise...
So? It wasn't that long ago when I didn't know the Kesh either. Ask Bridie to teach it to you, it's one of her favourite tunes! Anyway, it doesn't matter if you end up never learning the Kesh - I don't think there should be a "hierarchy" of tunes where you feel as though you have to learn some tunes first before you "graduate" on to the next. Just learn the tunes that appeal to you personally - the ones which you hear for the first time and go "that's a really nice tune and I haven't been able to get it out of my head all day - I want to learn it". You'll find you'll be able to learn the tunes you most like really quickly compared to learning the ones you feel as though you "ought to" learn. If you keep coming on a Thursday you'll find that the tunes sort of absorb themselves after a while anyway. Everyone at that session knows many many more tunes than I do, but sometimes I've found that I can play a tune at a session that I've never played before, just because it's been played lots and I have it in my head.
Also Tish? It's really easy to play with Bridie because she gets "crazes" for certain tunes. She'll learn a set of really obscure tunes no-one else knows, and then she plays them non-stop for weeks on end. If you want to be able to join in for a third to a half of the total session time, just learn Bridie's "it" tunes, and then after a few weeks, everyone else will follow and learn them as well!
Wise words, Dow, particularly about learning tunes you can't leave alone.
(Actually, I was kinda promising that I would behave myself and not subject you to too much torture. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere how fond bb is of Kesh 8>)
Seriously, you guys have been really encouraging, I probably wouldn't have come out of the woodwork for ages and ages yet otherwise - thanks!
But I'll pipe down now so Danny can have the floor... or the screen...
Hey Dow- Ive never thought of myself having craze tunes but its true - I play them until I (and everybody else) never wants to hear them again. Luckily we play trad - plenty more tunes to ruin! 'Punch in the Dark' and 'The uppy downy' reel are the ones I'm currently working on! Tish - how cool that you'll bring your fiddle on thursday. Also Dow - please buy a cappo - I will not have you using the resteraunts knives for a cappo again!
"Uppy Downey Side To Side Topsy Turvy Shmurvy Reel Shmeel" Bridie! BTW I hadn't lost my capo after all - it was under a pile of junk on the table when I got home.
Hi Karen! It has to be done using graphs. Honest. I did do it with equations once, years ago, when I did the first year of a degree in physics and maths... but then I saw sense and became a biologist instead. I eventually saw even more sense and became a flute player.
The mathematical explanation, even if I could still remember it, nay, understand it, is just a series of undecipherable (to the laiety) heiroglyphics.
Anyway, I'm only refferring to the Special Theory. General Relativity has got Much Harder Sums in it, as it takes into account such things as the effect of gravity.
Special relativity answers that problem.
It holds that the speed of light is a constant value (c) whoever observes it. So an astronaut hurtling toward earth at 0.99c sees a ray of light from earth coming to him at c, and a person on earth sees it going from him at c. This only works if length and time change at great speed, which they do. A moving clock runs slower. Time is 'dilated'. Relative to the earth, the clock on the spaceship is moving very slow, and may only record 1 lifetime while the clock on earth records 2 million years. The formula is:
T-spaceship=T-earth/square root of [1-(v*v/c*c)]
If v is 0.99c you get 7 fold dilatation, and if 0.9999c you get 70 fold dilatation. You've asked for a 30,000ish dilatation. He'd need to be moving very quickly.
I can't see that going to sessions could increase your tolerance for alcohol. I drink less because of session playing. Whatever the effect of drinking on my playing (probably it can only improve it), at least I physically can't shift the units like I could if I wasn't playing, because most the night I've got a flute stuck in my mouth.
I f I spent four hours in a pub socialising, I'd be looking at downing say a pint every 30 minutes, so after four hours that would be 8 pints (Shurely shum Mishtake, offisher .. hic!), whereas at the same time spent in a session, maybe three pints might find their way past my parched lips.
So if you want to improve your drinking skills, give up playing....
Yes, bd, that's all true. But you didn't explain *why* time is dilated in a "vehicle" travelling at a sub-relativistic velocity. The graphical explanation does explain this.
Guys, I'm sure that "T-spaceship=T-earth/square root of [1-(v*v/c*c)]
If v is 0.99c you get 7 fold dilatation, and if 0.9999c you get 70 fold dilatation. You've asked for a 30,000ish dilatation." is an impressive equation, but I think my one of "I f I spent four hours in a pub socialising, I'd be looking at downing say a pint every 30 minutes, so after four hours that would be 8 pints". is more within the mental scope of most people reading this!
And why dilatation, not dilation? Isn't the former more frequently used as a term in obstetrics, to differentiate between between something the womb does itself (dilate), and something a surgeon does to the womb (dilatate).... I only ask in order to be irritating.
I reckon if a stationary body were to sit at an Irish session for 4 hours and not play music, but drink 8 pints instead, the effects of Special Relativity would be reversed, ie, time would appear to contract. At least it always does for me... God only knows where last night went, for example....
Interesting.
Here's a question for you bd, I once read that it is possible (on the back of an envelope) to show that net energy of the Universe is zero. I think you treat the gravitational energy as negative and the energy in matter as positive, and take one from the other.
Is this true or have I dreamt it?
Danny boy - Buy me a pint, and I'll attempt to explain it to you - with the aid of graphs, of course! For time to contract under the influence of your proposed 8 pints, would the room have to be spinning at a speed anywhere near the speed of light?
Ottery - no such word as dilatate in any of the dictionaries I can immediately put my hand to. Just plain old dilate for both meanings (and a few more). If a lot of people use the word to mean the same thing for long enough, they might have to let it in.
In my daytime world (which is where I get my light) vasodilatation is interchanged with vasodilation. NastyWG youre right it should by dilation not dilatation. Aint no such thing as vasodilatation in my book. Anyway, is dilation not just a reduced contraction? Where on earth is this thread going? I'm off home. Anyone got a light?
I think we're entering that esoteric area where drunken gynaecology collides with particle physics, so I guess it must be time to go and cook tea (that's dinner to all you posh people out there)...
Can't believe my professional qualifications are actually going to assist me in a thread here, but anyway.
Having conferred with several nurses, midwives & physicians here on an obstetrics unit, dilation & dilatation are essentially interchangeable. However, having looked up both terms in medical dictionaries, there does seem to a subtle nuance implied that ottery has astutely picked up on, ie cervical dilation seems to be more spontaneous, ie during natural labor, whereas dilatation is more of an intervention, ie dilitation & curretage is a procedure by which you use an instrument to dilate the cervix, a dilator of course (yet not a dilatator), to remove contents of the uterus. But like I say, they are essentially interchangeable. $.02
Interesting to note is that folks in the UK pronounce it cer-VY-cal, whereas we in the States say CER-vi-cal.
I can't belive the turn this post has taken.
PS bouzyboy, there are separate entries for vasodilation & vasodilatation, both discussing the expansion of the diameter of blood vessels, ie antidromic or reflex. Whatever. Can we get back to the physics? That is much more enjoyable.
Interesting...but Dow you know that being drunk is just a state of mind...with the correct preparation you can get there without touching a drop.I find the easiest way to get there (and the cheapest too) is to assume the lotus position and retune my kundulini to Bb (and the relative harmonics in the little known mode of Atlantis). After about an hour of scales and arrpegios, I begin to warm up with some tantric mantras (7x12=84,7x13=91...) and reposition myself into the llama.
By the time this is commenced I am usually too drunk to pick up the banjo and the session has dissipated into the ether.
Also I have better health (liver is deflating) and no guilt and hangups (but the hangovers are severe).
I think you should try it sometime, with the money I have saved from not participating in imbing substances I have plenty of money for new strings and things, and I don't have to blame poor young bb for my sins.
8
Yeah, but with your method you don't get to be able to fall asleep in the taxi home, then be sick into your neighbour's garden, then spend three quarters of an hour trying to get your key into the lock whilst loudly slurring profanities, thus wakening the wife kids, neighbours and all neighbouring pets, so setting off a cacophony of barks, etc., and then when you go to pee, miss the toilet seat (which you leave down), so it can't be as much fun in terms of annoying people.
Stick to tried and tested methods.
Good on ye Dow. Get some value for money back from all that health insurance you pay. Demand a Georgie Best liver transplant.
Jeez, and the amount of times i thought the greenwiggle-man was off his trolly with all that cross-legged-lotus malarky in the session. the blossoming new-found respect! I don't think people realise the dificulties of keeping the lotus on a bar stool.....
And it IS true that Bb arpeggios are quite effective in realigning the chakras of the fiddle player who insists on starting the kesh for the six time that session.. Ah, the music of the sphere's
geddit?!? ....lotus malarky..... blossoming new.....
....lotus....blossoming.....
lotus blossom!
and I didn't even realise!
See, my chakras are aligning as we speak,
I'll never drink again!
Well, it won't be me who needs my chakras realigned (emily_az, can you give us any technical background on that particular procedure?) cause I'm the fiddle player who doesn't *know* the kesh. I'm innocent, I swear!
(bb... I dunno about this session... yobbo pool players, monostable meditators, inverted millinery, lunatics armed with knives and rubber bands... ?8>/ )
Aw, c'mon tish, it'll be good for yer Karma ta rub shoulders with we lo-lifes here in the pond. Remember thon fella Jesus never wanted anything to do with the high and mighty, but preferred the company of yer peasants..."the salt of the earth" ....JC himself made that one up!
...and he liked a jar. Lookit thon picture of the Last Supper. You know why he's got his arms spread out like that? Cos he's steamin' an he's feart in case he falls off the table, so he's holding on!
Tish, you don't know the Kesh? Great! DON'T learn it. There're very few of your officially endangered species left, and you've got to be preserved for the sake of Humanity!
Trevor
OK, Trevor, for the sake of The Tradition I hereby publicly vow to preserve my Keshless state.
Ah, Danny, to think Him Indoors used worry when I was playin' in a rock-n-roll band. I take up a reshpectowiggle instrument like "violin" and look what happens.
It's not really a tune you actually *learn* anyway - actually it's not a tune - it's a session virus, that just seems to infect perfectly healthy sessions, and once played, from who knows what source, the session rapidly declines in quality, then eventually dies, because then all the half-baked players, who were up until that moment too timid to pipe up, upon hearing the Kesh, think they have reclaimed the session as their rightful gathering, whoosh!! down the pan goes the quality of the session. Same thing might well be happening to thesession these days...
Very clever sir nose - but I dont think the beer companies need to shut down their factories just yet - I dont believe you could give up beer for a second - and why would you want to anyways?
Ive just found my calling - I am officially the Kesh Virus destroyer!! Its true - Stats suggest that the Kesh being played in sessions dramatically decreases when I'm there. I surely deserve a medal or something!
Ah bb, we can all but hope to attain your greatness!
But what about the study that shows that your presence at a session greatly increases the beer consumed?
Oi Sir Nose drinking most certainly does not go up when I'm at the session - its when you come to the session - you and Dow are the worst influences on me, sometimes I feel like I'm a teenager in High School again - peer pressure and all that;)
Chakra re-alignment... let me see. Now that I'm home, surrounded by candles, Japanese imported incense, Buddha & Shiva statues & dog-eared copies of the Kama Sutra, hmmmm..... nope no idea. Buncha shite most likely.
bb, as a clinical researcher, I propose a grant-writing project that will fund your trip to the US next year & we can independently test your Kesh-vaccine effectiveness & beer & tobacco consumption theories on a series of controlled cohorts. I volunteer to co-author said grant & also be a subject, screw the bias.
Pity the same can't be said for "Cigar boy" dow...
Hey emily, ya need a research assistant? Australian cultural consultant?! someone to be a bad influence on bb?!?!
Have I missed the Aussie shift? Tish it looks as though you are indeed an untainted "tune virgin". Maybe if we play tunes with you we'll be able to purify ourselves! Or... why don't I teach you both tunes by ear during Thursday's session. I can play them as many times as you like
Absolutely SN, I appreciate your entrepreneurial spirit! I will need experienced field workers to collect data at all stages, also to help monitor & enforce the integrity of the protocol. Rumor has it, she may even hit the UK or Ireland during the proposed study time frame. Though Danny's resume may prove the most impressive for the UK team, I shall continue to accept applications until her plane tickets are purchased!
Right - that is it Dow!! I have tolerated your slagging about the Uppy downy reel with good humour until now.You have pushed it too far! Next time I see you in a session - I'm going to play that tune about 15 times through - just for you
HA!!!! I have developed the vaccine for "Updownitis" - several syringes full of it. Did you think I was going to put up with you two playing that ever again, even once?!
Think I might stay home this Thursday, looks like I'm gonna get Kesh on loop on me port side and Up Downey on loop on me starboard side and it'll probably drive me to drink!!!!
(Oh, hang on, we're back to "Tunes and Alcohol" again... )
Hey Tish, didn't we ask Danny for dhrrink stories? I don't think we should let him get away with it that easily. We've been waiting patiently for 24 hours...
We did indeed and after all that build-up, the least he could do would be to make one up, if he can't remember any real ones. (Otherwise it'll be forty lashes with a wet tram ticket >8>)
Tish, untainted research subject? If you are referring to your current status of having no antibodies against K/DM, I would have to confer with the IRB. Well, actually, first I'll need to create an IRB. When that happens & we decide what would actually constitute a 'control' subject & whether one is actually required, I'll cc the memo to you. It may be helpful to have a placebo variable, indeed. In the meantime, try to avoid exposure to aforementioned contaminants, though it appears it may already be too late.
Nice to see my Kesh Virus is still doing the rounds.
OK. Not very dark this one. Years ago I went to the Oxford Irish Festival with some mates, whom, due to the cortical dysfunction brought on by several too many Guinii, I got split up from them and I ended up at one point playing on stage with, among others, PJ Hayes, Martin's da - that name-drop alone is sufficient for a mention. Later on, after a very late session, I spent the night on the bench of a pub, very good - and trusting! of the landlord to allow that.
In the morning, disoriented, still half-soaked, wandering down through the streets of suburban Oxford, I turned a corner, to witness a *giant fish* stuck up in someone's roof!!
I was then convinced I'd had several too many. On closer inspection, this was of course an architectural artefact built there by the owner. I've since learned that whoever it is who owns the house has had a running battle with the local council over planning permission for the fish.
Maybe someone here, based in the Oxford area,eg ottery, could confirm the existence of the fish....or maybe I was hallucinating!
no,i've just seen it on my travels!
yes,i did have a rare old time of it on my holidays,becoming especially fond of those pint bottles of cider that they serve with ice in the pint glass.
i'm planning to go down tomorrow night so see you there
Dow, Tish, Danny, Bridie - where are the sessions you play at - particularly the aforementioned thursday one? Any room for a Low Whistle player (won't be able to get there too often - I live on the Isle of Man at the mo - just looking for a wee bit of travelling to do every now and then)
Jen - the Thursday session, where Dow and bb are regulars and I've just started going along, is in Sydney, fairly close to the CBD. A bit of a step from the Isle of Man! Danny's a *bit* closer to you in London.
Aye, Sydney - just a mere trip across the globe!! When is a good time to head down to London? Where are the places to go? I might just get there for a wee while before Xmas!!!!!
Also, I'm about to get another one sorted out - a more low key affair, also in SE London. Here are the details, which, Jeremy, I *will* submit in the sessions section of this website once it's up and running:
The Blythe Hill Tavern, Forest Hill, London SE23. At the corner of Stanstead Road and Blythe Hill Lane. Thusday nights, 9.30 onward, commencing Thursday 18th Sept.
In attendance I hope will be myself, Aidan, Big Dave, Cath, and hopefully others from this website. Nice pub, good Guinness.
Tunes and alcohol
Tunes and alcohol
I am drunk - I have become one of the people who writes stuff up on the discussion board when they are in an altered state! Has anyone had the experience (that I am having now) of going out with friends other than your session companions and everyone drinks heavily and the other people are wasted at the end of the night (as in feeling ill blah blah blah) and you are completely fine and crisp and on the ball? It's a real worry. I have had a ridiculous amount to drink tonight but I can still spell yeah, and I could still do any maths question ever and calculate it in my head! I have it in my mind that my night out is only the "starter" and what follows should be my "night's drinking".... this is the consequence of spending long periods of time with Bridie Burke who is a BAD influence on me. Bridie sorry I didn't make it to the session today, I know you're going to have a go at me for it, but I didn't get round to buying any new strings. I had a 3 hour "nap" at lunchtime and started drinking when I woke up. Look what you have done to me! So basically my thread is: "Have you found that the playing-in-sessions-lifestyle has increased your tolerance towards alcohol?"
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by Dow
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"crisp andon the ball"? Slurred and rambling more like. Never mind, you'll be sober in the morning
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by llig leahcim
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Ok, so you're lucid after drinking. What about before - are you aware and crsip, etc. anyway, or d'you need drink to get there? If the latter, then I'm worried for your health because of all the known facts about alcohol. I tend to stay away from drink, even at sessions. Sometimes I do , sometimes I don't.
And sometimes, I make typos without ddrink too. As you can see.
Cheers.
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by fiddlefingers
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Give him a break, fiddle fingers. Dryness doesn't excuse the preaching
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by llig leahcim
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Give the "12-steps" approach a break, fiddle fingers......
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by Celtic1234
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Hey, two words Dow: A________ A_________.... snicker...
No, not that A.A., (alchoholics anonymous)... nope, "Alternative Angeoplasms"...
You're at the point now that you need to give up the pint,,, Right? the point is the pint... Give up the Guiness, Dow, and take up Single Malt.... It's Scotch from here on out fer ya mate. That will get you where you need to go... g'day!
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by irish ruff
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Mark, I do find that the pints increase my tolerance for the session lifestyle.
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by Will CPT
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lightweight! - i used to find that to be the case even before my ineffectual forays into the wonderful world of tunes and sessions
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by biggus dave
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How embarrassing the next morning - I was hoping I'd dreamt starting this thread... please feel free to ignore my stupid ramblings
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by Dow
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Some people you can't have a conversation with until they've had a drink or two.
-dogma
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by dogmageek
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What *I* want to know, Dow, if you really do drink as much as you say you do, is how you maintain that trim, taut and terrific figure after consuming all those "empty" calories in sugar and alcohol.
# Posted on August 30th 2003 by Tish
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Gee, sorry, didn't mean any preaching. Notice, I didn't say you should do or not do anything at all. Just mentioned my own preferences. Sorry if that's not politically correct here - think I'll shut up from now on.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by fiddlefingers
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Hey fiddlefingers, you don't bother me and I am
real sensitive due to the ends of my fingers being
raw from too much practicin.
:0) we all need to lighten up a mile, BTW would the
blind lousy dude who stole my pint of beer last evening
kindly return my pet flea who was swimming in the
froth.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by sorefingers
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Fiddlefingers, don't let the post-police get to you. I didn't see anything wrong with your comments, and mssrs Gill and Celtic will lighten up now that you've explained yourself, won't you lads?
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Will CPT
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oki doki, i'll go and have a few drinks and hopefully will lighten up..
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Celtic1234
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That's the "spirit," ;o)
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Will CPT
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Dow - Wassup wi ye? Ye're a Geordie fur a start....Ye live in Oz....an' Ye play The Music....
Is it possible to remain sober given those prerequisites?
(I Drink, therefore I Am, I'd've thought, knowing these facts.)
...Geezabrek, and spare us yer hangovers......
Now. Enjoy yersell in the Lucky Country - Ye could be back in Geordielan....
D'ye really want to know some dark tales o' the dhrrink and the music? - 'cos yer man is right here.....
Kindest,
Danny.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Now we've got it alright about dri-ink, yes I actually sometimes take a glass of Guiness, but I'm one of those girls for whom it only takes a 1/4 pint, and I'm nicely loosened up for fiddling with fun, but any more and I think I might sit on my fiddle, and it's the only one I've got, etc., etc. Any other kind of alcoholic drink makes me sick in various ways I won't go into, so that's my sad story.
Yeah, let's hear some of Danny's dark tales - please?
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by fiddlefingers
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You are hilarious Dow - what a laugh! Um but I think *you* are the bad influence!
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
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This thread is so embarrassing and it's not going to disappear for heaps ages yet being right at the top of the page
Tish your posts are the best. When you come to the session next time bring your fiddle and play us some tunes, and I'll make sure to get some new strings. Danny, I'm not a Geordie, I'm a Northumbrian. It's important to differentiate. I'm not racist or anything, but Northumbrians are a much higher class of people altogether! Isn't this an appropriate thread to tell us your tales of the dhrrink and the music? Now's your chance I'm all ears...
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Dow
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Happy Monday Morning, Dow!
(Am aiming for Thursday again, will bring fiddle but I warn ye, it's beginner stuff. Would it help if I said I don't even *know* the Kesh jig?)
Some stories from Danny would certainly liven up the working day...
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Tish
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I love what bb said last Thursday about tunes and alcohol - if anyone else spent that many hours at the pub, they'd be called an alcoholic, but "we're musicians". I wonder if this'll start a run in the junk shops on all those old pine fiddle cases by drinkers looking for an effective disguise...
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Tish
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So? It wasn't that long ago when I didn't know the Kesh either. Ask Bridie to teach it to you, it's one of her favourite tunes! Anyway, it doesn't matter if you end up never learning the Kesh - I don't think there should be a "hierarchy" of tunes where you feel as though you have to learn some tunes first before you "graduate" on to the next. Just learn the tunes that appeal to you personally - the ones which you hear for the first time and go "that's a really nice tune and I haven't been able to get it out of my head all day - I want to learn it". You'll find you'll be able to learn the tunes you most like really quickly compared to learning the ones you feel as though you "ought to" learn. If you keep coming on a Thursday you'll find that the tunes sort of absorb themselves after a while anyway. Everyone at that session knows many many more tunes than I do, but sometimes I've found that I can play a tune at a session that I've never played before, just because it's been played lots and I have it in my head.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Dow
Also Tish? It's really easy to play with Bridie because she gets "crazes" for certain tunes. She'll learn a set of really obscure tunes no-one else knows, and then she plays them non-stop for weeks on end. If you want to be able to join in for a third to a half of the total session time, just learn Bridie's "it" tunes, and then after a few weeks, everyone else will follow and learn them as well!
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Dow
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Wise words, Dow, particularly about learning tunes you can't leave alone.
(Actually, I was kinda promising that I would behave myself and not subject you to too much torture. I'm sure I remember reading somewhere how fond bb is of Kesh 8>)
Seriously, you guys have been really encouraging, I probably wouldn't have come out of the woodwork for ages and ages yet otherwise - thanks!
But I'll pipe down now so Danny can have the floor... or the screen...
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Tish
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Hey Dow- Ive never thought of myself having craze tunes but its true - I play them until I (and everybody else) never wants to hear them again. Luckily we play trad - plenty more tunes to ruin! 'Punch in the Dark' and 'The uppy downy' reel are the ones I'm currently working on! Tish - how cool that you'll bring your fiddle on thursday. Also Dow - please buy a cappo - I will not have you using the resteraunts knives for a cappo again!
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
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"Uppy Downey Side To Side Topsy Turvy Shmurvy Reel Shmeel" Bridie! BTW I hadn't lost my capo after all - it was under a pile of junk on the table when I got home.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Dow
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...dark tales of the dhrink and the music?
....emm... well...actually I've forgotten them....
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Explain us the Theory of Relativity, then; AKA how to watch the planet age by 2 million years within the lifetime of an astronaut!
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by nastyweegirl
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Hi Karen! It has to be done using graphs. Honest. I did do it with equations once, years ago, when I did the first year of a degree in physics and maths... but then I saw sense and became a biologist instead. I eventually saw even more sense and became a flute player.
The mathematical explanation, even if I could still remember it, nay, understand it, is just a series of undecipherable (to the laiety) heiroglyphics.
Anyway, I'm only refferring to the Special Theory. General Relativity has got Much Harder Sums in it, as it takes into account such things as the effect of gravity.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Outed!
I may have to change my alias.
I've forgotten whatever hieroglyphics I ever knew. Marginally better with graphs. Anyway I was pulling your leg. Flute playing makes much more sense.
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by nastyweegirl
Naughty of you, though, to have us all eagerly awaiting your dark tales of tunes'n'alcohol, and then to "bottle" it!
# Posted on August 31st 2003 by nastyweegirl
Re: Tunes and alcohol and relativity
Special relativity answers that problem.
It holds that the speed of light is a constant value (c) whoever observes it. So an astronaut hurtling toward earth at 0.99c sees a ray of light from earth coming to him at c, and a person on earth sees it going from him at c. This only works if length and time change at great speed, which they do. A moving clock runs slower. Time is 'dilated'. Relative to the earth, the clock on the spaceship is moving very slow, and may only record 1 lifetime while the clock on earth records 2 million years. The formula is:
T-spaceship=T-earth/square root of [1-(v*v/c*c)]
If v is 0.99c you get 7 fold dilatation, and if 0.9999c you get 70 fold dilatation. You've asked for a 30,000ish dilatation. He'd need to be moving very quickly.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bd
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But I thought we were all (well, maybe not all) coming round to the idea that the speed of light isn't constant? Or is that not sine qua non here?
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by nastyweegirl
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I can't see that going to sessions could increase your tolerance for alcohol. I drink less because of session playing. Whatever the effect of drinking on my playing (probably it can only improve it), at least I physically can't shift the units like I could if I wasn't playing, because most the night I've got a flute stuck in my mouth.
I f I spent four hours in a pub socialising, I'd be looking at downing say a pint every 30 minutes, so after four hours that would be 8 pints (Shurely shum Mishtake, offisher .. hic!), whereas at the same time spent in a session, maybe three pints might find their way past my parched lips.
So if you want to improve your drinking skills, give up playing....
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Ottery
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Yes, bd, that's all true. But you didn't explain *why* time is dilated in a "vehicle" travelling at a sub-relativistic velocity. The graphical explanation does explain this.
Danny.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Guys, I'm sure that "T-spaceship=T-earth/square root of [1-(v*v/c*c)]
If v is 0.99c you get 7 fold dilatation, and if 0.9999c you get 70 fold dilatation. You've asked for a 30,000ish dilatation." is an impressive equation, but I think my one of "I f I spent four hours in a pub socialising, I'd be looking at downing say a pint every 30 minutes, so after four hours that would be 8 pints". is more within the mental scope of most people reading this!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Ottery
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Yeah, you're right ottery. Anyway, the universe is flute-shaped.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
And why dilatation, not dilation? Isn't the former more frequently used as a term in obstetrics, to differentiate between between something the womb does itself (dilate), and something a surgeon does to the womb (dilatate).... I only ask in order to be irritating.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Ottery
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I reckon if a stationary body were to sit at an Irish session for 4 hours and not play music, but drink 8 pints instead, the effects of Special Relativity would be reversed, ie, time would appear to contract. At least it always does for me... God only knows where last night went, for example....
Danny.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Interesting.
Here's a question for you bd, I once read that it is possible (on the back of an envelope) to show that net energy of the Universe is zero. I think you treat the gravitational energy as negative and the energy in matter as positive, and take one from the other.
Is this true or have I dreamt it?
PP
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Pied Piper
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Danny boy - Buy me a pint, and I'll attempt to explain it to you - with the aid of graphs, of course! For time to contract under the influence of your proposed 8 pints, would the room have to be spinning at a speed anywhere near the speed of light?
Ottery - no such word as dilatate in any of the dictionaries I can immediately put my hand to. Just plain old dilate for both meanings (and a few more). If a lot of people use the word to mean the same thing for long enough, they might have to let it in.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by nastyweegirl
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Dear Ottery and nastyweegirl,
In my daytime world (which is where I get my light) vasodilatation is interchanged with vasodilation. NastyWG youre right it should by dilation not dilatation. Aint no such thing as vasodilatation in my book. Anyway, is dilation not just a reduced contraction? Where on earth is this thread going? I'm off home. Anyone got a light?
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bouzyboy
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I think we're entering that esoteric area where drunken gynaecology collides with particle physics, so I guess it must be time to go and cook tea (that's dinner to all you posh people out there)...
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Ottery
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Can't believe my professional qualifications are actually going to assist me in a thread here, but anyway.
Having conferred with several nurses, midwives & physicians here on an obstetrics unit, dilation & dilatation are essentially interchangeable. However, having looked up both terms in medical dictionaries, there does seem to a subtle nuance implied that ottery has astutely picked up on, ie cervical dilation seems to be more spontaneous, ie during natural labor, whereas dilatation is more of an intervention, ie dilitation & curretage is a procedure by which you use an instrument to dilate the cervix, a dilator of course (yet not a dilatator), to remove contents of the uterus. But like I say, they are essentially interchangeable. $.02
Interesting to note is that folks in the UK pronounce it cer-VY-cal, whereas we in the States say CER-vi-cal.
I can't belive the turn this post has taken.
PS bouzyboy, there are separate entries for vasodilation & vasodilatation, both discussing the expansion of the diameter of blood vessels, ie antidromic or reflex. Whatever. Can we get back to the physics? That is much more enjoyable.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by emily_bmore
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Well, this thread is about drinking, so maybe this is a bit like a conversation had whilst drinking....all over the place.
Who cares?
I have to agree, if it weren't for the equations, modern physics is a fascinating subject.
Whoops...baby crying - gotta go
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Interesting...but Dow you know that being drunk is just a state of mind...with the correct preparation you can get there without touching a drop.I find the easiest way to get there (and the cheapest too) is to assume the lotus position and retune my kundulini to Bb (and the relative harmonics in the little known mode of Atlantis). After about an hour of scales and arrpegios, I begin to warm up with some tantric mantras (7x12=84,7x13=91...) and reposition myself into the llama.
By the time this is commenced I am usually too drunk to pick up the banjo and the session has dissipated into the ether.
Also I have better health (liver is deflating) and no guilt and hangups (but the hangovers are severe).
I think you should try it sometime, with the money I have saved from not participating in imbing substances I have plenty of money for new strings and things, and I don't have to blame poor young bb for my sins.
8
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Greenwiggle
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Yeah, but with your method you don't get to be able to fall asleep in the taxi home, then be sick into your neighbour's garden, then spend three quarters of an hour trying to get your key into the lock whilst loudly slurring profanities, thus wakening the wife kids, neighbours and all neighbouring pets, so setting off a cacophony of barks, etc., and then when you go to pee, miss the toilet seat (which you leave down), so it can't be as much fun in terms of annoying people.
Stick to tried and tested methods.
Good on ye Dow. Get some value for money back from all that health insurance you pay. Demand a Georgie Best liver transplant.
Danny.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Jeez, and the amount of times i thought the greenwiggle-man was off his trolly with all that cross-legged-lotus malarky in the session. the blossoming new-found respect! I don't think people realise the dificulties of keeping the lotus on a bar stool.....
And it IS true that Bb arpeggios are quite effective in realigning the chakras of the fiddle player who insists on starting the kesh for the six time that session.. Ah, the music of the sphere's
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
geddit?!? ....lotus malarky..... blossoming new.....
....lotus....blossoming.....
lotus blossom!
and I didn't even realise!
See, my chakras are aligning as we speak,
I'll never drink again!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
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Well, it won't be me who needs my chakras realigned (emily_az, can you give us any technical background on that particular procedure?) cause I'm the fiddle player who doesn't *know* the kesh. I'm innocent, I swear!
(bb... I dunno about this session... yobbo pool players, monostable meditators, inverted millinery, lunatics armed with knives and rubber bands... ?8>/ )
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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Aw, c'mon tish, it'll be good for yer Karma ta rub shoulders with we lo-lifes here in the pond. Remember thon fella Jesus never wanted anything to do with the high and mighty, but preferred the company of yer peasants..."the salt of the earth" ....JC himself made that one up!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
...and he liked a jar. Lookit thon picture of the Last Supper. You know why he's got his arms spread out like that? Cos he's steamin' an he's feart in case he falls off the table, so he's holding on!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Tish, you don't know the Kesh? Great! DON'T learn it. There're very few of your officially endangered species left, and you've got to be preserved for the sake of Humanity!
Trevor
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by lazyhound
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Even if you do know it, 10 out of 10 for denying any knowledge of it.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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OK, Trevor, for the sake of The Tradition I hereby publicly vow to preserve my Keshless state.
Ah, Danny, to think Him Indoors used worry when I was playin' in a rock-n-roll band. I take up a reshpectowiggle instrument like "violin" and look what happens.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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It's not really a tune you actually *learn* anyway - actually it's not a tune - it's a session virus, that just seems to infect perfectly healthy sessions, and once played, from who knows what source, the session rapidly declines in quality, then eventually dies, because then all the half-baked players, who were up until that moment too timid to pipe up, upon hearing the Kesh, think they have reclaimed the session as their rightful gathering, whoosh!! down the pan goes the quality of the session. Same thing might well be happening to thesession these days...
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
Yep, many's a great session i've been at gets a minor Kesh infection which quickly developes into terminal drowsy-maggitis
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
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Very clever sir nose - but I dont think the beer companies need to shut down their factories just yet - I dont believe you could give up beer for a second - and why would you want to anyways?
Ive just found my calling - I am officially the Kesh Virus destroyer!! Its true - Stats suggest that the Kesh being played in sessions dramatically decreases when I'm there. I surely deserve a medal or something!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
Ah bb, we can all but hope to attain your greatness!
But what about the study that shows that your presence at a session greatly increases the beer consumed?
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
BTW, uppy-downy rules! go the "Bridie-tunes"
(most of which i tought you anywayz ;o)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
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Or a jail term, maybe, bb, depends on your modus operandi!
(Guess I don't even have the repertoire for Danny's half-baked status, don't know Drowsy Maggie either.)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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Tish - I think you are cooler and cooler every time you post - she doesnt know Drowsy Maggie!! Its like she hasnt been tainted yet!!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
Oi Sir Nose drinking most certainly does not go up when I'm at the session - its when you come to the session - you and Dow are the worst influences on me, sometimes I feel like I'm a teenager in High School again - peer pressure and all that;)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
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We are not!
(but you'd be cooler if you had another drink)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
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ooo I like the Aussie shift.
Chakra re-alignment... let me see. Now that I'm home, surrounded by candles, Japanese imported incense, Buddha & Shiva statues & dog-eared copies of the Kama Sutra, hmmmm..... nope no idea. Buncha shite most likely.
bb, as a clinical researcher, I propose a grant-writing project that will fund your trip to the US next year & we can independently test your Kesh-vaccine effectiveness & beer & tobacco consumption theories on a series of controlled cohorts. I volunteer to co-author said grant & also be a subject, screw the bias.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by emily_bmore
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oohhh - good Idea em, but I cant help you with the tobacco one - I've now been 4 weeks and 1 day without a ciggarette!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
Pity the same can't be said for "Cigar boy" dow...
Hey emily, ya need a research assistant? Australian cultural consultant?! someone to be a bad influence on bb?!?!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by SirNose
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Have I missed the Aussie shift? Tish it looks as though you are indeed an untainted "tune virgin". Maybe if we play tunes with you we'll be able to purify ourselves! Or... why don't I teach you both tunes by ear during Thursday's session. I can play them as many times as you like
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Dow
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Absolutely SN, I appreciate your entrepreneurial spirit! I will need experienced field workers to collect data at all stages, also to help monitor & enforce the integrity of the protocol. Rumor has it, she may even hit the UK or Ireland during the proposed study time frame. Though Danny's resume may prove the most impressive for the UK team, I shall continue to accept applications until her plane tickets are purchased!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by emily_bmore
Go ahead and learn the Kesh and Drowsy Maggie, just don't bother with the Up Downey Reel Shmeel!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Dow
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Emily-az, will that research grant cover expenditure for upkeep of an untainted test subject?
(Dow, you must be on a death wish!!)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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Right - that is it Dow!! I have tolerated your slagging about the Uppy downy reel with good humour until now.You have pushed it too far! Next time I see you in a session - I'm going to play that tune about 15 times through - just for you
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by bb Cruella de vil
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HA!!!! I have developed the vaccine for "Updownitis" - several syringes full of it. Did you think I was going to put up with you two playing that ever again, even once?!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Dow
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Think I might stay home this Thursday, looks like I'm gonna get Kesh on loop on me port side and Up Downey on loop on me starboard side and it'll probably drive me to drink!!!!
(Oh, hang on, we're back to "Tunes and Alcohol" again... )
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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No don't stay at home. We've got vaccines for all of these tunes!
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Dow
Hey Tish, didn't we ask Danny for dhrrink stories? I don't think we should let him get away with it that easily. We've been waiting patiently for 24 hours...
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Dow
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We did indeed and after all that build-up, the least he could do would be to make one up, if he can't remember any real ones. (Otherwise it'll be forty lashes with a wet tram ticket >8>)
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Tish
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Right - I will give you a dark story of the dhrink - but not just yet.
See ye's in a bit.
Danny
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Tish, untainted research subject? If you are referring to your current status of having no antibodies against K/DM, I would have to confer with the IRB. Well, actually, first I'll need to create an IRB. When that happens & we decide what would actually constitute a 'control' subject & whether one is actually required, I'll cc the memo to you. It may be helpful to have a placebo variable, indeed. In the meantime, try to avoid exposure to aforementioned contaminants, though it appears it may already be too late.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by emily_bmore
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Nice to see my Kesh Virus is still doing the rounds.
OK. Not very dark this one. Years ago I went to the Oxford Irish Festival with some mates, whom, due to the cortical dysfunction brought on by several too many Guinii, I got split up from them and I ended up at one point playing on stage with, among others, PJ Hayes, Martin's da - that name-drop alone is sufficient for a mention. Later on, after a very late session, I spent the night on the bench of a pub, very good - and trusting! of the landlord to allow that.
In the morning, disoriented, still half-soaked, wandering down through the streets of suburban Oxford, I turned a corner, to witness a *giant fish* stuck up in someone's roof!!
I was then convinced I'd had several too many. On closer inspection, this was of course an architectural artefact built there by the owner. I've since learned that whoever it is who owns the house has had a running battle with the local council over planning permission for the fish.
Maybe someone here, based in the Oxford area,eg ottery, could confirm the existence of the fish....or maybe I was hallucinating!
Danny.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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The fish does exist, I think it's at Headington, I've seen it myself, I think, unless I was sharing the same hallucination.
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Ottery
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Yeah - Headington... now that rings a bell...
# Posted on September 1st 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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yes,i've seen it and it's a lovely lovely shark
# Posted on September 2nd 2003 by biggus dave
Shark?
Bigdave...As you know, I've a terrible memory for Species, so I'll have to take your word on the Family...at least I got the Order right, ie Fish.
So Dave, did you blunder out of the same pub after the same festival a few years on?
Anyway, how ye doin'? Had a good summer? Goin down the duke tomorrow?
Danny.
# Posted on September 2nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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no,i've just seen it on my travels!
yes,i did have a rare old time of it on my holidays,becoming especially fond of those pint bottles of cider that they serve with ice in the pint glass.
i'm planning to go down tomorrow night so see you there
# Posted on September 2nd 2003 by biggus dave
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Ok, I'll try and change plans for some inactivity, and I'll see ye there!
# Posted on September 2nd 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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Dow, Tish, Danny, Bridie - where are the sessions you play at - particularly the aforementioned thursday one? Any room for a Low Whistle player (won't be able to get there too often - I live on the Isle of Man at the mo - just looking for a wee bit of travelling to do every now and then)
Jen
# Posted on September 8th 2003 by jkneale
By the way - I also like tunes and alcohol - plenty of both!!! Not sure about tolerance, just seem to keep going though!!
# Posted on September 8th 2003 by jkneale
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Jen - the Thursday session, where Dow and bb are regulars and I've just started going along, is in Sydney, fairly close to the CBD. A bit of a step from the Isle of Man! Danny's a *bit* closer to you in London.
# Posted on September 9th 2003 by Tish
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Aye, Sydney - just a mere trip across the globe!! When is a good time to head down to London? Where are the places to go? I might just get there for a wee while before Xmas!!!!!
# Posted on September 9th 2003 by jkneale
The Blythe Hill Tavern and The Woodman
Jen,
The link below gives details about our session on Sundays:
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/cruiseroisin/myhomepage/makingmusic.html
Also, I'm about to get another one sorted out - a more low key affair, also in SE London. Here are the details, which, Jeremy, I *will* submit in the sessions section of this website once it's up and running:
The Blythe Hill Tavern, Forest Hill, London SE23. At the corner of Stanstead Road and Blythe Hill Lane. Thusday nights, 9.30 onward, commencing Thursday 18th Sept.
In attendance I hope will be myself, Aidan, Big Dave, Cath, and hopefully others from this website. Nice pub, good Guinness.
Danny.
# Posted on September 9th 2003 by Key Maniac Lad
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... and within staggering distance of yer own front door, no doubt. See you there!
# Posted on September 10th 2003 by nastyweegirl