I'm sure this has been discussed before but I could not find anything. What exactly in your opinion is music? Is it entertainment or something more. For the past two years I have been an Irish music addict but lately I've gotten tired of it and am getting more into rock, is there something inherently in Irish music that would give me a reason to stick to listening to it or is it all just for entertainment anyways.
Thanks Brad.
I enjoy playing traditional music with my mates.
yes, acoustic is old school, but you can keep playing if the electricity goes off.
If you want entertainment check out YouTube for various clips of Paul Anka singing, "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
;)
It requires a dedication away from the self. At its best it is non-performance. It is the antithesis of performance. At its best it is the dedication towards the homage to generations of the ego free.
I suspect our friend is not a player, certainly not a tune player, perhaps a strummer or a goat-basher, else he would not be asking this question in the first place. ( I always check the blog of people who make such odd questions, and he has no history. )
Rock music for the players, is all about ego ( In My Not So Humble Opinion ).
ITM is all about....well, you guys can fill that bit in.
Tastes change. Maybe music is just a game of sound intervals we've invented in our heads. And too much of anything can make the romance disappear. Stravinsky wrote a synphony that caused actual riots against the musicians in 1913, but became widely acclaimed a year later. I really liked this radio program describing it: http://audio.wnyc.org/radiolab/radiolab042106.mp3
I've talked to someone, regarded as one of the very top performers of Irish music today, who said he no longer enjoys playing sessions or even listening to other trad musicians for more than long enough to "get a taste." He said as far as listening for enjoyment, he mostly listens to jazz these days. When you understand an idiom too completely, it can become stale.
If you wish to relinquish the practice of listening to Irish music, the giants will not fetter you with bronze before a perpetually-playing selection of ITM tracks, nor will the banshees and the Celtic Women bind you with ropes made from their superfluous tresses to a large number of bar-stools in Matt Molloy's pub, even if you would rather like them to, don't know about me.
This is because the faithful little green leprechauns have already changed the way your brain works. After some exposure to diddly, the channels and synapses and stuff in your brain adapt and become hyper-ready to pick it up and extremely reluctant to shut it off. Try not to inwardly diddle a tune as you walk along, try to blank it out of your mind if you do - and you'll realise how insistent the internal diddly machine really is: you have been programmed.
This does actually bother me a bit, as a long-time diddlehead. Stale and unwanted diddly going on in my head gets rather between me and what is referred to - sometimes a mite caustically - as "the real world".
A quote from Vladimir Ashkenazy, one of the world's great pianists and conductors: "Adorno [Theodor Adorno, Frankfurt school philosopher and musicologist] was like a fuhrer who explained music to death. For me, music isn't like that. I believe music is connected with our existence. Music is a mystery."
If it's a mystery to him, that's good enough for me. I want it always to be a mystery.
It requires a dedication away from the self. At its best it is non-performance. It is the antithesis of performance. At its best it is the dedication towards the homage to generations of the ego free.
Maybe this is a wind up maybe not. No problem. If brad is tired of it fair enough. I only wish more people would come on here and say that if that's what they feel. The towing of the party line orthodoxy trip does get rather stifling. However brad, it would be helpful if you could tell us what you play, at what level you are at and so on, so that people here might assess your comments in their proper context. And maybe if you could expand on what tires you in the listening. If, as Pete guesses, you don't play but just listen, get your hands on a tin whistle, learn the tunes and you will never again be tired of it.
IMHO
Oh yeah I forgot to address your question on whether it's all just entertainment.
Yes, it's all just entertainment. Same as astronomers with radiotelescopes capturing images of galaxies so far distant that by the time the signal gets here it's bilions of years old, so they can glimpse how the universe was being formed - or footage of the recent Gaza holocaust - or footage of melting ice caps. Depending on your perspective you can view any of that stuff and still be "entertained" - or you might want to engage with the material. It's the individual's choice as to what they see as entertainment.
gian----Ego free? In theory, I suppose it should be, but my experience tells me there is far more ego involved in The Music than there should be......sad but true.
Thanks for the input And sorry about that sweepstake plug. I do play fiddle at a begining advanced level but their our no sessions even remotely close to me in backwoods Canada. I also play piano with my brothers and sister, in traditional canadian music (French, and east coast), In case Pete's wondering I also play Scottish bagpipes so I do no lot's of tunes. I'm thinking it may have just been over absorption and that I'll be hooked again soon.
Personally, I like when I play a set of blazing reels with some friends and the whole space-time continum dissolves, and I slip through into the ethosphere, floating gently through all of existence, magically alighting on top of a...um...er...what where talking about again?
What can I say? The music makes my atoms shimmy. It's a quantum jig thing.
Many harmonica players obviously know little about music, otherwise they wouldn't play the harmonica, but there are exceptions to every rule. I admit players stamping their foot to keep time could be interpreted as a "serious of dull thuds" but not to the discerning musician.
Fortunately I play a variety of instruments, not merely the harmonica, so I can here the melody behind the foot stomping.
music in general
music in general
I'm sure this has been discussed before but I could not find anything. What exactly in your opinion is music? Is it entertainment or something more. For the past two years I have been an Irish music addict but lately I've gotten tired of it and am getting more into rock, is there something inherently in Irish music that would give me a reason to stick to listening to it or is it all just for entertainment anyways.
Thanks Brad.
P.S. check out this link and complete an offer PLEASE.
http://ipods.freepay.com/?r=46332798
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by bradmanrocks
Re: music in general
I enjoy playing traditional music with my mates.
yes, acoustic is old school, but you can keep playing if the electricity goes off.
If you want entertainment check out YouTube for various clips of Paul Anka singing, "Smells Like Teen Spirit".
;)
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: music in general
Traditional Irish Diddley music is ego free.
It requires a dedication away from the self. At its best it is non-performance. It is the antithesis of performance. At its best it is the dedication towards the homage to generations of the ego free.
It means something
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by ...
Re: music in general
I suspect our friend is not a player, certainly not a tune player, perhaps a strummer or a goat-basher, else he would not be asking this question in the first place. ( I always check the blog of people who make such odd questions, and he has no history. )
Rock music for the players, is all about ego ( In My Not So Humble Opinion ).
ITM is all about....well, you guys can fill that bit in.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Ahem . . .
there is history ~ http://www.thesession.org/recordings/display/854/comments#comment420335
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: music in general
Um... was the purpose of this thread to ask a question, or was it to post your ipod sweepstakes link??
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by polkageist
Re: music in general
Tastes change. Maybe music is just a game of sound intervals we've invented in our heads. And too much of anything can make the romance disappear. Stravinsky wrote a synphony that caused actual riots against the musicians in 1913, but became widely acclaimed a year later. I really liked this radio program describing it:
http://audio.wnyc.org/radiolab/radiolab042106.mp3
I've talked to someone, regarded as one of the very top performers of Irish music today, who said he no longer enjoys playing sessions or even listening to other trad musicians for more than long enough to "get a taste." He said as far as listening for enjoyment, he mostly listens to jazz these days. When you understand an idiom too completely, it can become stale.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by polkageist
Re: music in general
If you wish to relinquish the practice of listening to Irish music, the giants will not fetter you with bronze before a perpetually-playing selection of ITM tracks, nor will the banshees and the Celtic Women bind you with ropes made from their superfluous tresses to a large number of bar-stools in Matt Molloy's pub, even if you would rather like them to, don't know about me.
This is because the faithful little green leprechauns have already changed the way your brain works. After some exposure to diddly, the channels and synapses and stuff in your brain adapt and become hyper-ready to pick it up and extremely reluctant to shut it off. Try not to inwardly diddle a tune as you walk along, try to blank it out of your mind if you do - and you'll realise how insistent the internal diddly machine really is: you have been programmed.
This does actually bother me a bit, as a long-time diddlehead. Stale and unwanted diddly going on in my head gets rather between me and what is referred to - sometimes a mite caustically - as "the real world".
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by nicholas
Re: music in general
A quote from Vladimir Ashkenazy, one of the world's great pianists and conductors: "Adorno [Theodor Adorno, Frankfurt school philosopher and musicologist] was like a fuhrer who explained music to death. For me, music isn't like that. I believe music is connected with our existence. Music is a mystery."
If it's a mystery to him, that's good enough for me. I want it always to be a mystery.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: music in general
with a sense of humour like that, bradmanrocks, I don't know why you bothered asking the question
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by pavlf
Re: music in general
Traditional Irish Diddley music is ego free.
It requires a dedication away from the self. At its best it is non-performance. It is the antithesis of performance. At its best it is the dedication towards the homage to generations of the ego free.
It means something
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by gian marco
Re: music in general
I've just had a deja vu.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: music in general
I really like those, they sound great. Are they difficult to play?
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Skull Duggeraigh Dubh
Re: music in general
Maybe this is a wind up maybe not. No problem. If brad is tired of it fair enough. I only wish more people would come on here and say that if that's what they feel. The towing of the party line orthodoxy trip does get rather stifling. However brad, it would be helpful if you could tell us what you play, at what level you are at and so on, so that people here might assess your comments in their proper context. And maybe if you could expand on what tires you in the listening. If, as Pete guesses, you don't play but just listen, get your hands on a tin whistle, learn the tunes and you will never again be tired of it.
IMHO
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: music in general
Oh yeah I forgot to address your question on whether it's all just entertainment.
Yes, it's all just entertainment. Same as astronomers with radiotelescopes capturing images of galaxies so far distant that by the time the signal gets here it's bilions of years old, so they can glimpse how the universe was being formed - or footage of the recent Gaza holocaust - or footage of melting ice caps. Depending on your perspective you can view any of that stuff and still be "entertained" - or you might want to engage with the material. It's the individual's choice as to what they see as entertainment.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: music in general
gian----Ego free? In theory, I suppose it should be, but my experience tells me there is far more ego involved in The Music than there should be......sad but true.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by AlBrown
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Nicholas, have you ever heard "Science Fiction is a crutch for people who can't stand Reality"? Maybe that could also be applied to "ITM"?
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by fauxcelt
Re: music in general
Thanks for the input And sorry about that sweepstake plug. I do play fiddle at a begining advanced level but their our no sessions even remotely close to me in backwoods Canada. I also play piano with my brothers and sister, in traditional canadian music (French, and east coast), In case Pete's wondering I also play Scottish bagpipes so I do no lot's of tunes. I'm thinking it may have just been over absorption and that I'll be hooked again soon.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by bradmanrocks
Re: music in general
'are' and 'know' what is wrong with me fingers sorry folks.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by bradmanrocks
Re: music in general
Personally, I like when I play a set of blazing reels with some friends and the whole space-time continum dissolves, and I slip through into the ethosphere, floating gently through all of existence, magically alighting on top of a...um...er...what where talking about again?
What can I say? The music makes my atoms shimmy. It's a quantum jig thing.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: music in general
Music is a combination of notes, or something like that.
May I also say that without my massive ego I simply could not function.
To be the best requires ego.
# Posted on January 25th 2009 by bodhran bliss
Re: music in general
Combination of dull thuds, I would have thought you'd have said.
# Posted on January 26th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: music in general
Ah, a fellow harmonica player, like myself.
Many harmonica players obviously know little about music, otherwise they wouldn't play the harmonica, but there are exceptions to every rule. I admit players stamping their foot to keep time could be interpreted as a "serious of dull thuds" but not to the discerning musician.
Fortunately I play a variety of instruments, not merely the harmonica, so I can here the melody behind the foot stomping.
# Posted on January 26th 2009 by bodhran bliss
Re: music in general
It is what it is
# Posted on January 26th 2009 by zippydw