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Oireachtas 2009, Future Report

Oireachtas 2009, Future Report

Hello all,
This report was delivered to me telepathically - via the all knowing space aliens of the planet Diddlydiddlydi, please do not mistake this for an improvisation. If anyone feels the need to translate the following passage into Gaelic please feel free.

This is not a joke!!!!!!!!

From the Diddlydiddlydions:

"Dear Earthling Spawn,
We fear for your lives. For those beings planning on an upcoming event called Oireachtas, Letterkenny, 2009 we send warning.......ATTENDING SUCH FUNCTION WILL BE PERILOUS... . The media has taken over, ultimately increasing the amount of security staff, bouncers, and police on hand. They will taunt those who have enjoyed your tradition even more so than the guards of previous years. Proceed with caution. Your POLICE STATE will endure until its destruction in the Revolution of 2077."

I'm taking these space beings very serious. I've replied to their initial message, asking them if there'll be any improvement with the judges of the competitions in future years. I will post their answer in the up and coming days.



# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by The Grand Spy

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in english please

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by tradmoosic

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Jeremy knows exactly how to deal with this (hopefully this time permanently).

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by Henk Bos

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I agree with the sentiments of the Grand Spy. There must be a group of so called 'officials' trying to figure out the quickest way to finally put this so called Sean nos singing/dancing 6 foot under for good! I won't mention any names but there was one judge for the singing competition that was half deaf, and two others that don't even understand what the Sean nos singing style is all about or where it came from. They would seem to rather be listening to glorified ballad singers. Then there was a man judging the dancing that was lead dancer in the phenom called RIVERDANCE, which we all know has a direct corralation to Sean nos dancing, this same man was quoted in the times not to long ago saying how the Seanos dancing had no merit and was backward! (Not a direct quote, but i would appreciate if some one could post up the link to this article with Brendan Galway) oopsy i mentioned a name!
It seems to me that all the thought and time that goes into planning this event is spent the wrong way, none on the heritage and the tradition of our great country and too much on Television and radio rights. Instead of trying to preserve the tradition that previous generations fought and died to protect , whether it be from the Normans or the English, the Irish still survived. Instead these clueless people are trying to create this homoginized sound and a homoginized language. Do they not realize what we will be losing? Never did i think that it would be the age of technology that we brought upon ourselves, or just the ignorance of culture that has grown in this country that would be the death of all of which was only ours, and was a integral part of who we are/were as a race.

I'd like to be the first to say R.I.P to our culture.
and also
Hooray for the the new money making machine that has been created!

MR. tradmoosic says, in English please! he must be on the committee.

Fairplay to all on the committee for doing a great job at preserving the language/song and dance.

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by skinnylillegs

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mwahahahaha! the fleadh and the oireachtas, seein as they're both heaps of sh*te, should go off and have a love child together thats an even bigger on. oh wait they did, its called the world fleadh.

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by fiddleruairi

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gee thats funny because i seen hundreds if not thousands of people enjoying themselves at the weekend in cork.

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by S.Doherty

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haha. i saw thousands of people at the fleadh, but i still think its a heap of sh*te. crappy adjudicators, mostly crappy twee music, sessions containing hundreds of people, overcrowded pubs that are just uncomfortable, predictable comhaltas self-righteousness. the only reason i still go is in the hope of seeing people that i wouldn't see from one year to the next. i dont even bring my instrument anymore cause there's just no point.

(oh and i have to say, yer man who won the corn ui riada! my god ive never seen such a bad decision in my life. i agree with egs, i think the judges were tone deaf.)

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by fiddleruairi

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i agree with *legs*

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by fiddleruairi

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henk,
why should Jeremy deal with me permanently?????????? Nothing's permanent, not you or your jibberishy ideas, or mine for that matter.
I've done nothing wrong here. All I've said was at the competition last weekend there was poor judging and violent security forces. And it is in english, just wierd english. I'm glad other people have backed me up here. Please don't ban me again Jeremy. This site is my everything. I promise to behave!!

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by The Grand Spy

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Spot on Grand Spy, future generations are in for a bit of a so called recession. Certainly an alien invasion is urgently required, the whole selection process and an adjudication system is sucks.
As for the semi retarded security forces are they necessary?

# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by jokelm

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Oireachtas. Fleadh. Who cares who won, who cares who didn't? who cares who's judging it? who cares who isn't? Competition is just that. Competition. Nobody will ever be totally happy with it except maybe the person who wins but even that is fleeting because in the end it is all irrelevant. what matters is that the culture itself and our love for it, although maybe hidden under the bright lights and media, is still there. Its not dead.

These events are mere celebrations, like a birthday party if you will. Often messy, and a little bit awkward but great craic. You wake up in the morning a little worse for the wear and you keep going. If you didn't have a party you'd still be that year older but, for a lot of people, it just wouldn't be the same... you see what i mean?

We live in a commercial world. FACT!!! anything that can make money will be exploited. both of these events and others of their ilk are huge nowadays but sure feck it? Wouldn't it be a lot worse if they weren't there? No celebration of culture? No bita craic?

If you don't like them, and I know a lot of people who play music who cant stand them, dont go. see no evil, hear no evil, sing no evil!!

p.s as regards the results this weekend, (i was down at it. still recovering. ;) ) sean nos singing isnt really my thing, and i havent even heard the man sing yet so i cant really comment. but as regards the dancing, i thought the results were completely accurate. The lad who won the senior dancing was great. a nice mix of more old style and new style stuff with fantastic energy and craic. what else do you want?

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by galway-fiddle

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maybe irrelevant is a bit strong worded. a tad disrespectful to those who feel that competition is important. its not irrelevant. its just not the most important aspect of the tradition.

oh and as regards the security, i was staying in the rochestown for the full weekend and didnt notice anything going on? what happened?

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by galway-fiddle

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'All I've said was at the competition last weekend there was poor judging and violent security forces.' signed: The Grand Spy.

Ah. Was that it. Glad you made that clear. See what I mean?

Sorry, your sense of humour may be too outrageous for me.

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by Henk Bos

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galway-fiddle:

"The lad who won the senior dancing was great. a nice mix of more old style and new style stuff"

You see, that's the problem. The oireachtas is supposed to be about the preservation of the tradition, not it's mixing with newer and foreign elements. This can be done elsewhere, like riverprance, where we can choose not to attend, but when it infects the venues and events that are supposed to be 'the pure drop', of which there are very few, then what's left to represent the indigenous artforms of Ireland, without this cross pollinised bulls hit. But what can you expect with the shower they had judging it.

Do you even know what sean nos translates to? 'New style' sean nos makes no sense, like your comments.

"oh and as regards the security, i was staying in the rochestown for the full weekend and didnt notice anything going on? what happened?"

Heavy handed bouncers.

Obviously your powers of perception are akin to your dance analytical skills.

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by skip canlon

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google: Oireachtas na gaeilge. Click. Read. "Eagraíonn Oireachtas na Gaeilge raon leathan imeachtaí i rith na bliana chun na healaíona dúchasacha, trí mheán na Gaeilge, a cheiliúradh. Tugtar aire do gach aon ealaín thraidisiúnta - amhránaíocht, ceol, rince, scéalaíocht, lúibíní, agallaimh beirte agus drámaíocht - ag na féilte, Oireachtas na Cásca agus Oireachtas na Samhna".

straight from the horses mouth.
ceiliuradh = celebration
trí mhean na gaeilge = through irish
ealaín thraidisiúnta = traditional arts

Why do people keep rehashing the same arguments? if we wanted the tradition to stay the exact same as it was fadó fadó then we should just stop playing, dancing, singing. and start watching 'Siar an bhothar' on tg4 with nicholas ( a fine program showing the 'pure drop').

skip, tuigim ceard ata i gceist leis an damhsa. Rugadh agus tógadh mé, buíochas le dia, leis an teanga, an cheol agus an damhsa. Although i dont claim to be a dancer i know my dancing. i could go into a long spiel about the whole idea behind the dancing and how its all very relative to where you were born in the country and in what period you were born. but i wont. why? because it'll probably just fall on deaf ears. What i will say though is something that Llig said about the music a few days ago. Its an expression of personality.Not set in stone. and it shouldnt be.

"heavy handed bouncers" Fabulous answer. but not what i was looking for. a little expansion on it maybe?

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by galway-fiddle

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galway-fiddle,

Apologies if I can across rude or aggressive - I didn't agree with the decisions that were made at the oireachtas, I didn't like the over presence of the media and the heavy handed bouncers added the final nail in the coffin for me - I left cork with a bad taste in my mouth from the whole thing.

You thought they were right, I didn't. That's pretty much the same in any competition; some people agree with the decisions, others don't. Lots of people have stated they disagreed, so I know I'm not unique in this, but we are all entitled to an opinion.

In relation to the further explanation, I feel recounting the events serves no purpose other than to gossip. If you saw nothing, lucky for you. Unfortunately |, and others, did, and it was totally unnecessary for an event of it's nature.

If you want further details, maybe ask grand spy for the phone number of those aliens. I think they're on meteor, so should be nice and cheap to call them!

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by skip canlon

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Hello all,

I have been attending the Oireachtas for years and the festival is getting bigger and bigger..... and it's younger there getting and all. Over the years i have seen a lot of changes. I see after all these years Sean-nos singing is still the same the same style etc... but the Sean-nos dancing is getting out of control all together. In years gone by there was hardly enough people in on the comp. Now over the past 10 years there is about 50 people competing, which is great that there is such a demand, now that only happened since Tg4 started to promote the show on there chanel. Now i am not saying it is Tg4 fault either but people who enter haven't a clue, a clue what Sean-nos dancing is. Luckly the judges has some brains that they don't let them through i say people just chance there arm to get seen on telly which is so so so sad.

In saying that i think that they the Oireactas should try and keep the sean nos dancing as it was. as the translation of sean-nos is Old style dancing, not new style as someone wrote further down in the page. Now i am no expert on the sean-nos tá fios agam céard ata mé ag caint faoi. But i fell that there should be rules set out like the singing. The sean nos singing has kept it's style of singing over the years why can't the sean nos dancing. Sean nos dancing is knowin to be a sexy type of dancing and for sure it is, but this break between riverdance and sean nos dancing is so so wrong, now the fella who won it was great and full of life but look at what he does half way through his dance riverdance that shiffle stuff is NOT SEAN NOS and as for the man who won 2nd should have got it at all, there was more people in the comp that should have got 2nd. Do not think he should have got 2nd it's riverdance/step dancing all over again. To be honest i don't think the judes know what they want either, Do they know what sean nos dancing is?? ex riverdancer dr foley don't know what she has to do with dancing, probably a step dancer?? and the other one angil never heard of her. So if you were an Irish dancer for years you can go ahead and judge any time of dancing??? does it give you that status??? i don't think so i think they need to put proper judes there that know what sean nos dancing is, why don't they put people that have won the dancing juding dancers that have won it who are still competing which i think is wrong, what are they looking for the prize money maybe that is what attracting people. i find that sick personally.

well that is all i seen over the weekend in Cork was a very good year but i think that the oireactas need to re-think the dancing they should try and keep it as close to the orginal as possible, and another point i think the people from Derry should not enter the sean-nos as it's step dancing that there doing you don't need to be an expert to see that..........

I haven't written this to give out about anyone that won at the dancing but i think they should really look into this matter and change it because the nature of the sean nos will be lost

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by smurff

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I agree with the Grand Spy, Fiddler Ruairi and Skinnylillegs, and i'd like to think if i would get to meet these three inspirational dynamos in the pub, i dare not speak at all, i would not utter one syllable, but just listen and by osmosis take in these little gems of knowledge and keep them in the forefront of my mind, and then ponder them as the mormons do ponder their newest wife!

As for the rest of you , you are all STUPID!!

# Posted on November 4th 2008 by JohnMorahan

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Slan

# Posted on November 6th 2008 by JohnMorahan

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Surely the time has come to have separate male/female sean nós dancing competition!

# Posted on November 6th 2008 by dílis

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I agree dilis. I would like to go further and limit the sean nos element to men only. It looks way more natural to have men doing all these flailings of arms and legs. Lets keep it traditional. Have a separate step dancing competition for the females.

# Posted on November 6th 2008 by mariaphilmurphy

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Why would there be one competition for men and another for women when both are doing the same thing. And as for the arm and leg movements it doesn't come natual to men it depends on the dancer. Not weather your male or female. And if you look back at the older days the arms had a limit of freedom not like now when they have there hand in the air. And were talking about sean nos dancing not step dancing there is a difference Maria.

# Posted on November 6th 2008 by smurff

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I was at the Oireachtas and sure the judging is never great but this year was way better than the last few years, the second place could have gone to better performers. I dance(female:P)...didnt enter this year but dancers in general dont bide by rules!! The main idea is that u let the music decide what you do.And taps should definitli be brought back...they wore nails back in the day. Many of the best dancers have dropped out due to the new rules. If you want to see the real dancing go to Club nA Féile.
The singing competition finally went to a fantastic singer who deserved it!
As 4 security......onli 1 person I no off had any major problems with them and he lunged at them so...:( We played music till breakfast time..they complained but let us carry on regardless!

# Posted on November 7th 2008 by boxcailin

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Well boxcailin you have hit it on the nail there...

# Posted on November 10th 2008 by smurff

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