It's all in the interpretation, or, how you play them. With more slow quick or ~ | N2 N N2 N N2 N | ~ rather than the other alternative of ~ | NNN NNN NNN | ~ the more it will bounce rhythmically...
Let me think of some.
A hop jig is a syncopated slip jig. This is that part of the session tradition where the music is one step away from straight up dance tunes.
In other words the dancers would probably prefer slip jigs to hop jigs.
Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs.
Hop Jigs: The Butterfly, The Surround, The Promenade, A Fig for a Kiss, The Foxhunter's Jig, The Rocky Road to Dublin, Sir Philip Mc Hugh.
Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs = Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs = Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs =
In the history of the use of the term 'hop jig', it didn't signify something different from a slip jig. There were one in the same. It has been in a modern context that some folks have tried to associate the term with something 'different', often the flat playing of slip jigs fast and as 3/4 instead of 9/8...
For more on this and related distractions do a search here in 'Discussions'...but better perused under some intoxicating influence, like listening to this tune form performed well, but an accompanying pint of a few shots won't go wrong either...
9/8 given the 3/4 treatment already mentioned earlier. Yeah, that's a bit of fun, for the craic, a bit of fluff. That isn't a definition for 'hop jig' as the term was used in the past. It was and is just another term for the same thing, tunes in 9/8 time, slip jigs...
I do not agree, ceolachan. Maybe you 're right from a historical point of view, but making a difference between hop jigs and slip jigs the way I stated out makes sense. The 'feel' is very different and hop jgs - like slides - can easily be played a bit faster than slip jigs.
If you're calling 3/4 the difference, which some have tried to make a claim for, well, taking the 'skip' or 'hop' out of the music and turning it to the interesting alternative form of 3/4 ~ nah! That isn't about the dance or the dancer, that is a bit of fun for the musician, something we do for a bit of fun. I'll stick to the historic and 'meaningful' use of the term 'hop', which is what a slip jig has in it when given the swing of a 'skip', a 'hop', that good old slow quick of N2 N that lifts the feet, gives dance that bit of rhythmic definition and electricity. But, hey, I wouldn't take away from the fun of trying it on in a 3/4 kind of way. I've enjoyed that myself. But there's nothing 'hop' about it... Some folks have even taken to trying to distinguish it with the added term 'polka'...
"Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs." ~ Henk Bos
That is actually quite reasonable... I though you were backing the thing about playing them 3/4 and that making them 'hop' jigs... I actually like that distinction you've given, as I've used it myself before, with regards to putting more 'hop' into a slip jig by focusing more on that crotchet-quaver (N2 N = 1/4note-1/8note) lift...
Both terms, 'slip' and 'hop', refer to characteristics of the dance, the dancing that accompanies the tune form.
Just conjecture, though I've done some minimal work there, but I wonder if the influence of 'country dance', which was another place where the form was used, would have had more of a smoothing influence on the form, or rounding out the 'hop', crotchet-quaver, to 3 quavers? The earlier collections tend to show a preference for the slow-quick beat: = crotchet-quaver = 1/4note-1/8note...
I need to get back to that work. Along with the solo step dancing tradition, the use of this form in country dance has always been an interest to me, including the steps used.
I've played it in the past, but not in that form. I've played it more like an air. If you play it just under hop jig speed it becomes a 9/8 march, as is still played by pipe bands. I don't know how it was originally intended, but I think it's a red herring, because it ain't Irish and it ain't a hop jig. It also happens not to be syncopated in any way. What were you getting at, Random?
Not a red herring. Just trying to get back to protz' original thought ~ (hop) jigs which really "hop"
"Boys of Ballisodare" is a great example of this if you give it that upbeat 'lift'
So the real question is, 'which (hop) jigs does anyone like playing to similar effect?'
I asked about 'Battle . . .' because I like it & wondered if one could play it as a slip jig that hops.
Syncopated was obviously a poor choice of terms. compounded that by using it myself.
Having said that . . . what is your response to protz' opening sentence in this thread?
There's something which takes by surprise in 'Boys of Ballisodare'... At the ending of the first to bars, the notes suddenly rush to stop on a 'g' (usually cut to emphasize the effect). In other tunes, the melody tends to go on with the same pattern X2X X2X X2X... B.o.B breaks that, I think. That's what I meant by 'syncopated in the construction'.
I love 9/8 marches too, and this one is particularly sweet, including played with 'lament' in mind... But as said already, there ain't a hop or a slip in it, but bittersweet it is...
That should have been "I play a few ..." as in *quite* a few, aka lots (so far as one is able to play lots, there not being that many such tunes around, compared with other tune types) ...
... sorry, just got the agaves in - moved them to their winter quarters, which is upsatirs in the house. They weigh a ton, and I'm literally shaking now from the effort ...
LOL
"I'm probably just not as clever as you, Random ..."
If anyone from y session sees that comment I'll never hear the end of it.
Cheers.
I wouldn't say I understand so well either. I am just gong with Henk Bos description
"Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs."
Good call on 'Top it Off' Ben.
This is clever;
I have been having great fun with this one, playng just the one melody in its different forms and in variations, here's one direction I've taken it:
9/8 Slip Jig ~ 9/8 Hop Jig ~ 3/4 Highland ~ 4/4 Highland ~ 4/4 Reel"
Posted on April 21st 2006 by ceolachan
Yep, Random, I go with Henk's description too. And also with ceol, in that it's clear that, at one time, there was no distinction, at least not between two types of tune, hop and slip jigs. Although there were a great many *more* distinctions between individual tunes ...
But, if you just take Henk's description as your starting point, well then, that is just an invitation to list as many hop jigs as possible. I thought protz was trying to get at a particular *type* of hop jig. It's *that* that threw me, 'cos I can't get what type he means ... not sure there *are* differet types, in fact ...
I will, Random ... I'm still trying to work out when to find time to post the version of Top it Off that I play. It's a fair bit different ... much nicer.
" but I wonder if the influence of 'country dance', which was another place where the form was used, would have had more of a smoothing influence on the form, or rounding out the 'hop', crotchet-quaver, to 3 quavers? The earlier collections tend to show a preference for the slow-quick beat: = crotchet-quaver = 1/4note-1/8note..."
Ceolachan -
How would a slip jig be used by the dancer in country dancing? Three steps instead of four? Or nine?
Now ... I'm puzzling over what you meant by that "Yes you would." Does that mean that I don't care what I sound like, so I put it up there even though I know it's rubbish?
The connection is working again.
Sounds good Ben.
All I am saying is that you do take the time to post on SoundLantern. It is not rubbish. You bother enough to put up some fine music However, if I put up my own recording at this moment that would be rubbish.
I will let you know.
Ah. Right. Well, I'm doing my best ... What I could do with is some better recording equipment, to be honest. I'm just using a very cheap computer mike plugged straight into my laptop and recorded using Audacity. I think I need an Olympus or a Zoom or something. Don't want to spend the money though ...
You guys are asking for it. I'm going to further my work on transcribing percussion and add some bodhran, bones and spoons solos on site here...oh yeah, and some ceili band snare work...
Ceol - you could go the whole hog and add the shaky egg and lagerphone elements as well. I'll give you a hand with the polkas and slides. You can't overlook clapsticks and djembe either....tee hee.
I'd actually transcribed Ben's take on "Top it Off", and he was right, a lovely version of the tune. I've been enjoying playing through it, and as it had come up here in topic was considering teaching his way with it... I was in the process of adding it to the 'comments' when the shight hit the fan, for which I accept responsibility, clumsy ass that I sometimes am...
Hop jigs
Hop jigs
I'm looking for hop jigs which really "hop", a bit like "Boys of Ballisadare" does, for exemple. Things really syncopated in the construction...?
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by protz
Re: Hop jigs
Isn't that any hop jig - or slip jig? In 9/8 time? Just go to the search menu and enter slip jig - you'll get enough to keep you busy for a while.
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by David Levine
Re: Hop jigs
It's all in the interpretation, or, how you play them. With more slow quick or ~ | N2 N N2 N N2 N | ~ rather than the other alternative of ~ | NNN NNN NNN | ~ the more it will bounce rhythmically...
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Let me think of some.
A hop jig is a syncopated slip jig. This is that part of the session tradition where the music is one step away from straight up dance tunes.
In other words the dancers would probably prefer slip jigs to hop jigs.
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Guess I was wrong about 'dancers' not liking a bit of swing.
hello c
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs.
Hop Jigs: The Butterfly, The Surround, The Promenade, A Fig for a Kiss, The Foxhunter's Jig, The Rocky Road to Dublin, Sir Philip Mc Hugh.
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by Henk Bos
Re: Hop jigs
I suppose another way to ask the question is which slip jigs are not hop jigs . . . 'Kid on the Mountain' ?
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by Ben Steen
Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs = Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs = Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs =
In the history of the use of the term 'hop jig', it didn't signify something different from a slip jig. There were one in the same. It has been in a modern context that some folks have tried to associate the term with something 'different', often the flat playing of slip jigs fast and as 3/4 instead of 9/8...
For more on this and related distractions do a search here in 'Discussions'...but better perused under some intoxicating influence, like listening to this tune form performed well, but an accompanying pint of a few shots won't go wrong either...
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Better grab another pint & see if it is possible to do a search for 'flip jigs'
Long blonde hair required.
;)
# Posted on November 1st 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1IAWVRFoS8
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by pipewatcher
Re: Hop jigs
the dusty miller
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by pipewatcher
Re: Hop jigs
9/8 given the 3/4 treatment already mentioned earlier. Yeah, that's a bit of fun, for the craic, a bit of fluff. That isn't a definition for 'hop jig' as the term was used in the past. It was and is just another term for the same thing, tunes in 9/8 time, slip jigs...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
I do not agree, ceolachan. Maybe you 're right from a historical point of view, but making a difference between hop jigs and slip jigs the way I stated out makes sense. The 'feel' is very different and hop jgs - like slides - can easily be played a bit faster than slip jigs.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Henk Bos
Hop Jigs = Slip Jigs
If you're calling 3/4 the difference, which some have tried to make a claim for, well, taking the 'skip' or 'hop' out of the music and turning it to the interesting alternative form of 3/4 ~ nah! That isn't about the dance or the dancer, that is a bit of fun for the musician, something we do for a bit of fun. I'll stick to the historic and 'meaningful' use of the term 'hop', which is what a slip jig has in it when given the swing of a 'skip', a 'hop', that good old slow quick of N2 N that lifts the feet, gives dance that bit of rhythmic definition and electricity. But, hey, I wouldn't take away from the fun of trying it on in a 3/4 kind of way. I've enjoyed that myself. But there's nothing 'hop' about it... Some folks have even taken to trying to distinguish it with the added term 'polka'...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Sorry Henk, I'm tired ~
"Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs." ~ Henk Bos
That is actually quite reasonable... I though you were backing the thing about playing them 3/4 and that making them 'hop' jigs... I actually like that distinction you've given, as I've used it myself before, with regards to putting more 'hop' into a slip jig by focusing more on that crotchet-quaver (N2 N = 1/4note-1/8note) lift...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
'slip' / 'hop'
Both terms, 'slip' and 'hop', refer to characteristics of the dance, the dancing that accompanies the tune form.
Just conjecture, though I've done some minimal work there, but I wonder if the influence of 'country dance', which was another place where the form was used, would have had more of a smoothing influence on the form, or rounding out the 'hop', crotchet-quaver, to 3 quavers? The earlier collections tend to show a preference for the slow-quick beat: = crotchet-quaver = 1/4note-1/8note...
I need to get back to that work. Along with the solo step dancing tradition, the use of this form in country dance has always been an interest to me, including the steps used.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Thanks for answering, ceolachan, diligent as ever
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Henk Bos
Re: Hop jigs
I'm struggling to see what's "syncopated" in yer average hop jig. Boys of Ballisodare isn't syncopated at all. Straight up, on the beat.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
protz, check out 'Battle of Somme'
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Think you 're right, benhall.1.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Henk Bos
Re: Hop jigs
Hey, you 2 linguists ~ do you play "battle of somme'?
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
I've played it in the past, but not in that form. I've played it more like an air. If you play it just under hop jig speed it becomes a 9/8 march, as is still played by pipe bands. I don't know how it was originally intended, but I think it's a red herring, because it ain't Irish and it ain't a hop jig. It also happens not to be syncopated in any way. What were you getting at, Random?
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Not a red herring. Just trying to get back to protz' original thought ~ (hop) jigs which really "hop"
"Boys of Ballisodare" is a great example of this if you give it that upbeat 'lift'
So the real question is, 'which (hop) jigs does anyone like playing to similar effect?'
I asked about 'Battle . . .' because I like it & wondered if one could play it as a slip jig that hops.
Syncopated was obviously a poor choice of terms. compounded that by using it myself.
Having said that . . . what is your response to protz' opening sentence in this thread?
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
There's something which takes by surprise in 'Boys of Ballisodare'... At the ending of the first to bars, the notes suddenly rush to stop on a 'g' (usually cut to emphasize the effect). In other tunes, the melody tends to go on with the same pattern X2X X2X X2X... B.o.B breaks that, I think. That's what I meant by 'syncopated in the construction'.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by protz
Re: Hop jigs
I'm just a poor French guy
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by protz
"The Battle of the Somme" R: retreat march / lament
C: Pipe Major William Laurie, 1882 - 1916
I love 9/8 marches too, and this one is particularly sweet, including played with 'lament' in mind... But as said already, there ain't a hop or a slip in it, but bittersweet it is...
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on August 29th 2003 by dafydd.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2923
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2923/comments
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
yes ~ bittersweet
no hopping on the retreat.
thanks c. I have never been able to find anyone who will play this with me.
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
What's my response? I don't know, 'cos I still don't really understand. I'm probably just not as clever as you, Random ...
I play few hop jigs. Do they really 'hop'? I've no idea, 'cos, like I say, I don't understand.
Having said that, my favourite is, and has always been Top it Off:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2608
I play it quite differently though - learnt ages ago - in Clare, I think ...
Does that one do it for you, protz?
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
That should have been "I play a few ..." as in *quite* a few, aka lots (so far as one is able to play lots, there not being that many such tunes around, compared with other tune types) ...
... sorry, just got the agaves in - moved them to their winter quarters, which is upsatirs in the house. They weigh a ton, and I'm literally shaking now from the effort ...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
LOL
"I'm probably just not as clever as you, Random ..."
If anyone from y session sees that comment I'll never hear the end of it.
Cheers.
I wouldn't say I understand so well either. I am just gong with Henk Bos description
"Hop jigs compare to slip jigs like slides to double jigs: the crotchet - quaver rhythm is predominant with hop jigs, the three quavers rhythm with slip jigs."
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
*
pardon my typos
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Good call on 'Top it Off' Ben.
This is clever;
I have been having great fun with this one, playng just the one melody in its different forms and in variations, here's one direction I've taken it:
9/8 Slip Jig ~ 9/8 Hop Jig ~ 3/4 Highland ~ 4/4 Highland ~ 4/4 Reel"
Posted on April 21st 2006 by ceolachan
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
"That should have been "I play a few ..." as in *quite* a few, aka lots" ~ ben
WHEW! You had me worried...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Yep, Random, I go with Henk's description too. And also with ceol, in that it's clear that, at one time, there was no distinction, at least not between two types of tune, hop and slip jigs. Although there were a great many *more* distinctions between individual tunes ...
But, if you just take Henk's description as your starting point, well then, that is just an invitation to list as many hop jigs as possible. I thought protz was trying to get at a particular *type* of hop jig. It's *that* that threw me, 'cos I can't get what type he means ... not sure there *are* differet types, in fact ...
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
For the benefit of random_notes and General Mayhem
"Top It Off" (single reel)
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2608/comments
# Posted on November 2nd 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Cheers ben. thanks for the tune. I still cannot think of one. Odd because I love watching the (slip jig) dance.
Keep those agaves warm..
# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
I will, Random ... I'm still trying to work out when to find time to post the version of Top it Off that I play. It's a fair bit different ... much nicer.
# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
" but I wonder if the influence of 'country dance', which was another place where the form was used, would have had more of a smoothing influence on the form, or rounding out the 'hop', crotchet-quaver, to 3 quavers? The earlier collections tend to show a preference for the slow-quick beat: = crotchet-quaver = 1/4note-1/8note..."
Ceolachan -
How would a slip jig be used by the dancer in country dancing? Three steps instead of four? Or nine?
C. Nicolas
# Posted on November 3rd 2008 by C. Nicolas
Re: Hop jigs
In more contemporary use, as for 'Strip the Willow', it is just a running step throughout, 3s = 123 = | N3 N3 N3 |...
You'll probably miss this Ben, but I wanna see!!! ~ & give your take on it a go...
# Posted on November 6th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
No, I haven't missed it, ceol. That would be my take on top it Off, I guess?
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Whew! ~ a trolling we will go...
I still wanna see...
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Send me a recording and I'll transcribe it for you...
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Now don't wind me up there ... You should know by now I'm a sensitive soul.
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Yes... It's one of your qualities I've learned to appreciate...
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Anyway, as you know, my ABCs and understanding of the dots are rubbish. My ear simply isn't up to it.
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
In fact, I'm better IN PERFORMANCE at a session.
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Stuck in a corner behind a chain of pints and hiding behind everybody else...
I said I'd transcribe you for yourself, and the pleasure of others...
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
I love the emphasis ~ IN PERFORMANCE!!!
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Damn, I'm procrastinatin', I've gotta run. Don't get rude while I'm away in the reel world...
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Ooh, sorry, did I say a rude word?
GUITARS!!!!!
B**LL*CKS!!!!!
BODHRÁNS!!!!!
FECK!!!!!
ARSE!!!!!
GIRLS!!!!!
DRINK!!!!!
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
We don't need no stinking ABCs.
Put 'Top it Off' on SoundLantern.
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
No, but seriously, sessions ARE performances, aren't they?
... and ABCs and dots are the way to go ...
... and why oh why aren't there more bodhrán solos in sessions?
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Really? Our bodhran player gets a solo. He says it's a tradition older than sticks & rocks.
# Posted on November 7th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Well, Random and ceolachan ... I've put it up on Sound Lantern ... off you go then, let's hear yours.
# Posted on November 8th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
http://www.soundlantern.com/UpdatedUser.do?UsName=benhall_1&UsId=1134
# Posted on November 8th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Thanks benhall.
Don't hold your breath.
It will take a bit of time for me to record something I feel good about. ;)
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
God, if I'd waited for that, Random, I'd never have bothered.
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
Yes you would. What's up though? SoundLantern is down on my server for the time being.
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Hmmm ... it's working on my computer ...
Now ... I'm puzzling over what you meant by that "Yes you would." Does that mean that I don't care what I sound like, so I put it up there even though I know it's rubbish?
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
The connection is working again.
Sounds good Ben.
All I am saying is that you do take the time to post on SoundLantern. It is not rubbish. You bother enough to put up some fine music However, if I put up my own recording at this moment that would be rubbish.
I will let you know.
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Ah. Right. Well, I'm doing my best ... What I could do with is some better recording equipment, to be honest. I'm just using a very cheap computer mike plugged straight into my laptop and recorded using Audacity. I think I need an Olympus or a Zoom or something. Don't want to spend the money though ...
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
I am listening to the whistle jigs. Sounds like Alan has done a good job recording.
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by Ben Steen
Re: Hop jigs
Yeah. He *has* got one of those proper thingies - Olympus or something.
Thanks for listening, Random!
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Hop jigs
You guys are asking for it. I'm going to further my work on transcribing percussion and add some bodhran, bones and spoons solos on site here...oh yeah, and some ceili band snare work...
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Oh yeah ~ AND ~ thanks for the ear full Ben...
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Hop jigs
Ceol - you could go the whole hog and add the shaky egg and lagerphone elements as well. I'll give you a hand with the polkas and slides. You can't overlook clapsticks and djembe either....tee hee.
# Posted on November 9th 2008 by zepherin
Re: Hop jigs
I'd actually transcribed Ben's take on "Top it Off", and he was right, a lovely version of the tune. I've been enjoying playing through it, and as it had come up here in topic was considering teaching his way with it... I was in the process of adding it to the 'comments' when the shight hit the fan, for which I accept responsibility, clumsy ass that I sometimes am...
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/9068/comments
Mea culpa!
# Posted on November 10th 2008 by ceolachan