I know you most of you guys are far more interested in ITM, but for those of you who spread your musical net a little further, here's a question for you.
Do you happen to know any Scottish musicians who play or played Scottish Music on the English Concertina?
Thanks to the trusty Footstompers I've managed to put together a list of names, which so far looks like this:
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
Would anyone here care to add any names to this list?
Cheers
Dick
P.S. I'm now the proud owner of an early 1900s Wheatstone #22 Treble, & as I plan to play Scottish music on this wee beastie & being a Scot anyway .... I'm curious,
There were 3 in the "Blue Lamp" in Aberdeen 3 weeks ago when a group of musicians from Co Clare turned up including
Frances Wilkins, mentioned above, who has a good repertoire of Shetland tunes.
Also Tom Martin, and John Leavy - although they play more Irish music.
They were well out-numbered by the Anglos that night though .
I know most of the players on your list, Dick. I reckon only possibly 2 of them are under the age of 40, which doesn't really bode well for the future. Several of the Co.Clare visitors would have been in their teens, and were already very competent players.
Thanks Pat, I've written to Enoch via his website to learn more ~ Ta
Thanks for Tom & John, Kenny.
I suppose the English scene in Scotland nowadays could perhaps be compared to the Clare scene back in the 40s or 50s, when no, or very, very few young players were playing Anglos.
I know the Scottish players are far more widely dispersed than were the players in Clare, but who knows, what with the Arran Concertina weekend & all that Reed instrument activity up in Aberdeen these days, maybe the English scene is in the early stages of a revival!
Perhaps you could kick start it, by getting Aberdeen to twin with Kilrush?
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
Well you only have to listen to the English Concertina playing of Norman Chalmers, in Jock Tamson's Bairns, to appreciate just how well the instrument suits Scottish Music:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Willie Haines,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Roy Williamson,
Ian Wright.
If any of these guys were actually Anglo players, please let me know.
e.g. I must admit, I thought Willie Haines played Anglo with Shegui?
I just heard back from Scottish Folk Singer Enoch Kent, in Canada.
Enoch said that his father played an English concertina, in what he called the last of the concertina bands in Glasgow.
His name was Joseph Kent.
So that's one more name for our list.
And I was right, Willie Haines is an Anglo player.
We're up to 39 names now:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Roy Williamson.
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ another, whose father was a judge ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Folks on another forum are suggesting that I split up this list into those still with us, & those that have sadly passed on.
Please let me know if any name is in the wrong list ~ Ta
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {36}:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ another, whose father was a judge ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
***********************
Scottish players of the English Concertina {35}:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Aye indeed Johannes & I've just added two more names to the list:
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {37}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
".....We bought a concertina for to make the high hilarity Though none of us could play it though we tried our best - and worst We knocked a lot of noise from it if that's of any consequence We handled it so gently that the bellows it did burst
Well we got a boiled potato for to mend the concertina with When someone hit Maloney with the carcass of a cat ....."
Invitation to a funeral..as sung by Jimmy Crowley
Seeing as there's so many experts here, can someone explain how you repair a concertina with a potato?
It's a comic song, not to be taken seriously. I can see how a sausage skin might be useful, but not a boiled potato.
But, back to an earlier reply - if you're looking for Scots musicians, surely Dave Richardson don't qualify, being from the North-East ?
OK, I know a Geordie is supposed to be a Scot with his head kicked-in, but I'm not convinced.
Meanwhile, though, more power to your elbow for just promoting the usefulness of the English concertina. Yah !
Aye Johannes I agree with you, Dave's lived there so long, we all think of him as an honourary Scot nowadays.
For that matter Ewan MacColl wasn't born in Scotland either, but he did have Scottish parents ... & if that's good enough to get you onto the Scotland team, it's good enough to get you onto my wee list!
Anyway, the way I see it, both men have done a lot to promote Scottish music over the years.
Hey Niall, thanks very much for the names.
Simon Thoumire thought Helen played E.C. so I'm not going to argue with him!
Onwards & upwards ....
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {39}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
***********************
Scottish players of the English Concertina {39}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
...... & here's another, John McCourtney in Glasgow.
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English Concertina players in Scotland {40}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
Seems Ian Munroe actually plays Anglo, not English.
So .......
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English Concertina players in Scotland {40}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
Any more ...........................................?
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English Concertina players in Scotland {42}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
Just learned that Ian Munroe, of Kilmarnock, is actually an Anglo player.
Good for him .......... but not for our list!
So we're back to << 42 >> !
Any more ...........................................
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English Concertina players in Scotland {42}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
Scottish playing English?
Scottish playing English?
I know you most of you guys are far more interested in ITM, but for those of you who spread your musical net a little further, here's a question for you.
Do you happen to know any Scottish musicians who play or played Scottish Music on the English Concertina?
Thanks to the trusty Footstompers I've managed to put together a list of names, which so far looks like this:
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
Would anyone here care to add any names to this list?
Cheers
Dick
P.S. I'm now the proud owner of an early 1900s Wheatstone #22 Treble, & as I plan to play Scottish music on this wee beastie & being a Scot anyway .... I'm curious,
http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2000836750102727105bCTLyB
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
There were 3 in the "Blue Lamp" in Aberdeen 3 weeks ago when a group of musicians from Co Clare turned up including
.
Frances Wilkins, mentioned above, who has a good repertoire of Shetland tunes.
Also Tom Martin, and John Leavy - although they play more Irish music.
They were well out-numbered by the Anglos that night though
I know most of the players on your list, Dick. I reckon only possibly 2 of them are under the age of 40, which doesn't really bode well for the future. Several of the Co.Clare visitors would have been in their teens, and were already very competent players.
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Kenny
Re: Scottish playing English?
The folk singer Enoch Kent's father played the concertina in Glasgow I believe.
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Patkiwi
Re: Scottish playing English?
Thanks Pat, I've written to Enoch via his website to learn more ~ Ta
Thanks for Tom & John, Kenny.
I suppose the English scene in Scotland nowadays could perhaps be compared to the Clare scene back in the 40s or 50s, when no, or very, very few young players were playing Anglos.
I know the Scottish players are far more widely dispersed than were the players in Clare, but who knows, what with the Arran Concertina weekend & all that Reed instrument activity up in Aberdeen these days, maybe the English scene is in the early stages of a revival!
Perhaps you could kick start it, by getting Aberdeen to twin with Kilrush?
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
+ Simon Harbord ~ also in Aberdeenshire.
28 Names now:
Hamish Bayne,
Norman Chalmers,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Ian Wright.
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Has Scotland a long pre-revival tradition of English concertina playing? How well does the EC suit various types of Scottish music?
Interesting subject.
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Scottish playing English?
Hi Nicholas,
Well you only have to listen to the English Concertina playing of Norman Chalmers, in Jock Tamson's Bairns, to appreciate just how well the instrument suits Scottish Music:
http://www.raretunes.org/performers/jock-tamsons-bairns/
As for the history of this instrument in Scotland, I can’t do any better than refer you to this excellent resource by Stuart Eydmann:
The Life and Times of the Concertina:
the adoption and usage of a novel musical instrument with particular reference to Scotland
http://www.concertina.com/eydmann/life-and-times/index.htm
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
The list is now up to 40 names!
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Willie Haines,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Roy Williamson,
Ian Wright.
If any of these guys were actually Anglo players, please let me know.
e.g. I must admit, I thought Willie Haines played Anglo with Shegui?
# Posted on October 13th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
I just heard back from Scottish Folk Singer Enoch Kent, in Canada.
Enoch said that his father played an English concertina, in what he called the last of the concertina bands in Glasgow.
His name was Joseph Kent.
So that's one more name for our list.
And I was right, Willie Haines is an Anglo player.
We're up to 39 names now:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Peter Hall,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Iain MacKintosh,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Roy Williamson.
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ another, whose father was a judge ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Folks on another forum are suggesting that I split up this list into those still with us, & those that have sadly passed on.
Please let me know if any name is in the wrong list ~ Ta
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {36}:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Mike Petrie,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ another, whose father was a judge ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Corrections!
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {35}:
Hamish Bayne,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Perhaps I'll find a few more names through MySpace:
< http://www.myspace.com/dickglasgow >
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
You're having fun with this one, Dick?
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Johannes J
Re: Scottish playing English?
Aye indeed Johannes & I've just added two more names to the list:
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {37}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
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+ Helen ? a lecturer at Stirling University who also plays the pipes ???
+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Helen Ross is presumably the person in the first query - couldn't have said whether she plays Anglo or English, though...
Alan Wright plays EC in one or two Edinburgh sessions.
Niall
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by niallanderson
Re: Scottish playing English?
".....We bought a concertina for to make the high hilarity Though none of us could play it though we tried our best - and worst We knocked a lot of noise from it if that's of any consequence We handled it so gently that the bellows it did burst
Well we got a boiled potato for to mend the concertina with When someone hit Maloney with the carcass of a cat ....."
Invitation to a funeral..as sung by Jimmy Crowley
Seeing as there's so many experts here, can someone explain how you repair a concertina with a potato?
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Johannes J
Re: Scottish playing English?
It's a comic song, not to be taken seriously. I can see how a sausage skin might be useful, but not a boiled potato.
But, back to an earlier reply - if you're looking for Scots musicians, surely Dave Richardson don't qualify, being from the North-East ?
OK, I know a Geordie is supposed to be a Scot with his head kicked-in, but I'm not convinced.
Meanwhile, though, more power to your elbow for just promoting the usefulness of the English concertina. Yah !
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Scottish playing English?
He lives in Edinburgh. Does that count?
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Johannes J
Re: Scottish playing English?
Aye Johannes I agree with you, Dave's lived there so long, we all think of him as an honourary Scot nowadays.
For that matter Ewan MacColl wasn't born in Scotland either, but he did have Scottish parents ... & if that's good enough to get you onto the Scotland team, it's good enough to get you onto my wee list!
Anyway, the way I see it, both men have done a lot to promote Scottish music over the years.
Hey Niall, thanks very much for the names.
Simon Thoumire thought Helen played E.C. so I'm not going to argue with him!
Onwards & upwards ....
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {39}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {5}:
Peter Hall,
Ewan MacColl,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
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+ Steve (Jo Miller's husband) who originally played with Cloud Howe ceilidh band ???
If you can put names to these, or know of any more, please post their names.
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Don't think Ewan MacColl ever actually PLAYED a concertina of any sort - it was Peggy Seeger who was the musician in that family.
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Scottish playing English?
That's fair enough ~ thanks Pete.
Well, his real name was Jimmie Miller anyway & if he had been born in Scotland after all, I'm sure he would have learned to play the Concertina!
# Posted on October 14th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Just for you Pete!
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Scottish players of the English Concertina {39}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
***************************
# Posted on October 15th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
...... & here's another, John McCourtney in Glasgow.
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English Concertina players in Scotland {40}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
******************************
Cheers
Dick
# Posted on October 15th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Seems Ian Munroe actually plays Anglo, not English.
So .......
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English Concertina players in Scotland {40}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Stewart Brown,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Iain MacDonald,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
******************************
# Posted on October 16th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Plus Bob Blair:-
< http://www.folkmusic.net/htmfiles/inart499.htm >
& Pamela Carr:-
< http://www.myspace.com/pandscarr >
So now we have 42 active players on our list!
Any more ...........................................?
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English Concertina players in Scotland {42}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Ian Munroe,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
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# Posted on October 18th 2008 by Ptarmigan
Re: Scottish playing English?
Just learned that Ian Munroe, of Kilmarnock, is actually an Anglo player.
Good for him
.......... but not for our list! 
So we're back to << 42 >> !
Any more ...........................................
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English Concertina players in Scotland {42}:
Hamish Bayne,
Jack Bethel,
Bob Blair,
Stewart Brown,
Pamela Carr,
Norman Chalmers,
Selby Cochrane,
Simon Cooper,
David Corner,
Oscar St Cyr,
John Eaglesham,
Stuart Eydeman,
Archie Fisher,
John Gahagan,
Dick Glasgow,
Jean Graham,
George Haig,
Simon Harbord,
Gordon Hotchkiss,
Nigel Jelks,
Joseph Kent,
John Leavy,
Iain MacDonald,
Tom Martin,
John McCourtney,
Tom McDermott,
Marta McGlynn,
Geordie McIntyre,
Brian McNeill,
Mike Penny,
Dave Richardson,
Derek Richardson,
Helen Ross,
Wendy Stewart,
Steve Sutcliffe,
Bob Thomas,
Simon Thoumire,
Erland Voy,
Ann Ward,
Tom Ward,
Frances Wilkins,
Alan Wright.
Not to be forgotten {4}:
Peter Hall,
Iain MacKintosh,
Mike Petrie,
Roy Williamson.
******************************
# Posted on October 19th 2008 by Ptarmigan