Have a rummage around here, davydd http://www.mustrad.org.uk/
and look through the Topic catalogue for English bands.
Or just ask Guernsey Pete or ceolachan.
Eliza's brilliant, foh sure. One of her very early CDs, mainly fiddle duets with Nancy Kerr, is unbelievably lovely. Also check out one of her more recent projects, The Imagined Village [http://www.imaginedvillage.com], which includes her dad, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Simon Emmerson (Afro Celt Sound System) and other musicians representing several musical genres. No, not quite Irish but...
molaoch said:
>Have a listen to Spiers and Boden... I think you'll like them..
You know, I like "pure" unfettered traditional music just fine, but I am very impressed by the creativity and imagination with which people like Eliza, Spiers and Boden et al infuse it as well.
Eliza represents one aspect of the best of the English folk revival (second generation). You have to remember that her father, Martin Carthy, in his solo work and with Dave Swarbrick and others, and her mother, Norma Waterson in her family group, were already two of the leading figures in the folk revival before their marriage, each trying to find ways of using and interpreting and being true to traditional material, but also always experimenting, at a time when there really was very little available to be heard, even in indie-type record distribution - that came much later.
And then they met, married, and had children, and for all her life Eliza Carthy has had some of the best of all the singers and musicians from Britain and beyond coming through her house, sleeping on the floor, and being woken up on occasions as a small child to hear these fleeting visitors. And, I have heard her say, as a child, if, at a folk festival, she found an instrument on a stall and asked for it, her mother would always say "If you can get a tune out of it in 5 minutes, you can have it."
I hope we are all as generous to our children.
If you hear Nancy Kerr's fiddleing, another child of talented folkie parents, you can hear much the same style, a fluid obligato behind the vocals. There's bits of Swarb in there, and much else besides. It's a sort of English revival, for there wasn't a lot of good models to learn from, and much early english revival fiddle WAS very much Irish-influenced. No bad thing that, but there was an attempt to find an individual model, and not just slavishly copy the ITM style(s).
I wish I was as good as them on my 'zouk, and I'm double their age +.....
PS my SO was down at C.Sharpe House for her banjo lesson today and Eliza Carthy poked her head through the door, looking for someone. If you're in London, it's the big Ralph Vaughan Williams Day, lots of music and informative lectures, not to be missed. I had to work this morning, might try to get down this eveing.
Eliza's apparently going to do a tour with Sharon Shannon, "formed from an Anglo-Irish concept, providing some English and Celtic crossover". She'll probably make a good job of this, she knows enough. She also has a base in Scotland, which won't harm her chances of boning up on the traditions there. Quite a live wire.
Thanks for the Youtube clip at the top of the discussion. I like the way the two combined Lacroix's and Guilmette's waltz clogs with Captain O'Kane in the last set. Wonderful mix of cultures in the tunes.
I seen Eliza, 10 days ago, live in Enniskillen. Brilliant show and her new album is great but.....not quite Irish. Do check out her family's musical heritage, breathtaking, most of it.
Not quite Irish but...
Not quite Irish but...
I've been watching a couple of videos of Eliza Carthy on Youtube:
Eg...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vBp5-Zd5W4
I'm liking what i hear and i was wondering if anyone knew of some resources (internet or otherwise) to find out more about this style of music??
Thanks heaps!
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by davydd
Re: Not quite Irish but...
I don't know, but thanks for posting that link. I enjoyed that a lot.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Superb stuff, thanks for the link. Did a bit of Googlin' and found these links, there's loads more just Google "The Eliza carthy Band".
http://www.elizanet.org.uk/
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=107599197
http://technorati.com/videos/tag/Eliza+Carthy
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by tctelboy
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Have a rummage around here, davydd
http://www.mustrad.org.uk/
and look through the Topic catalogue for English bands.
Or just ask Guernsey Pete or ceolachan.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by oldstrings
Re: Not quite Irish but...
5/4 time ...
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Hup
Re: Not quite Irish but...
OOh! A namecheck in relation to Eliza Carthy. I am honoured. Must look at these clips, but I have to go off to work now.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Excellent, and thanks for the links. I'd heard *of* Saul Rose but hadn't previously heard his playing, and I'd heard very little of Eliza Carthy's.
The advent of decent melodeons improved English music like nothing else, IMO.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Not quite Irish but...
davydd...
Have a listen to Spiers and Boden... I think you'll like them..
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by molaoch
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Eliza's brilliant, foh sure. One of her very early CDs, mainly fiddle duets with Nancy Kerr, is unbelievably lovely. Also check out one of her more recent projects, The Imagined Village [http://www.imaginedvillage.com], which includes her dad, Billy Bragg, Paul Weller, Simon Emmerson (Afro Celt Sound System) and other musicians representing several musical genres. No, not quite Irish but...
molaoch said:
>Have a listen to Spiers and Boden... I think you'll like them..
And the band they occasionally play with, Bellowhead [http://www.bellowhead.co.uk/]
You know, I like "pure" unfettered traditional music just fine, but I am very impressed by the creativity and imagination with which people like Eliza, Spiers and Boden et al infuse it as well.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by sts
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Eliza represents one aspect of the best of the English folk revival (second generation). You have to remember that her father, Martin Carthy, in his solo work and with Dave Swarbrick and others, and her mother, Norma Waterson in her family group, were already two of the leading figures in the folk revival before their marriage, each trying to find ways of using and interpreting and being true to traditional material, but also always experimenting, at a time when there really was very little available to be heard, even in indie-type record distribution - that came much later.
And then they met, married, and had children, and for all her life Eliza Carthy has had some of the best of all the singers and musicians from Britain and beyond coming through her house, sleeping on the floor, and being woken up on occasions as a small child to hear these fleeting visitors. And, I have heard her say, as a child, if, at a folk festival, she found an instrument on a stall and asked for it, her mother would always say "If you can get a tune out of it in 5 minutes, you can have it."
I hope we are all as generous to our children.
If you hear Nancy Kerr's fiddleing, another child of talented folkie parents, you can hear much the same style, a fluid obligato behind the vocals. There's bits of Swarb in there, and much else besides. It's a sort of English revival, for there wasn't a lot of good models to learn from, and much early english revival fiddle WAS very much Irish-influenced. No bad thing that, but there was an attempt to find an individual model, and not just slavishly copy the ITM style(s).
I wish I was as good as them on my 'zouk, and I'm double their age +.....
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Not quite Irish but...
PS my SO was down at C.Sharpe House for her banjo lesson today and Eliza Carthy poked her head through the door, looking for someone. If you're in London, it's the big Ralph Vaughan Williams Day, lots of music and informative lectures, not to be missed. I had to work this morning, might try to get down this eveing.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Eliza's apparently going to do a tour with Sharon Shannon, "formed from an Anglo-Irish concept, providing some English and Celtic crossover". She'll probably make a good job of this, she knows enough. She also has a base in Scotland, which won't harm her chances of boning up on the traditions there. Quite a live wire.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Thanks for the Youtube clip at the top of the discussion. I like the way the two combined Lacroix's and Guilmette's waltz clogs with Captain O'Kane in the last set. Wonderful mix of cultures in the tunes.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by vonnieestes
Re: Not quite Irish but...
I seen Eliza, 10 days ago, live in Enniskillen. Brilliant show and her new album is great but.....not quite Irish. Do check out her family's musical heritage, breathtaking, most of it.
# Posted on October 5th 2008 by strayaway
Re: Not quite Irish but...
Thanks for all the good info & links!
# Posted on October 6th 2008 by davydd
Re: Not quite Irish but...
"but.....not quite Irish"
That's an odd thing to say given that she's not Irish and isn't playing Irish music!
# Posted on October 7th 2008 by Paul_draper
Re: Not quite Irish but...
We must stop trying to impose these nationalist and geographical barriers on good ( folk/traditional ) music.
# Posted on October 7th 2008 by Guernsey Pete