Controversial band on this site I'm well aware of that but anyhow anybody got music to any of there instrumentals. Surely cant be found on the tunes part anyway! Cheers!
Can't understand why they are perceived as "controversial" here when, as years go by, they seem as increasingly nostalgically traditional as any other combo doing "Irish" from WENNEFFAH.
And very famous, relatively speaking!
Only po-faced ouinquers would not appreciate what Shane and his mob have done/ are doing to preserve and elevate the idea of "Trad Irish" in the general culture (of London and maybe the rest of world).
By the way, since they are considered by the rest of the world as Mainstream, try Googling "TABS" for them or even "CHORDS" or wotteffah...
Thanks people, loving young ned of the hill!! Keep em comng! Anyone know of bring down the lamp (popes instrumental) or wildcats of kk on rum sodomy & the lash
Tunes. The Dingle Regatta from Red Roses for Me. They launch into the A of The Kesh in Sea Shanty, same album, then they go into the B of something else in that same song, can't remember what it is.
They processed tunes and they snuck out in their compositions. Shane in particular with the melodies for his songs are just his brain chewing on growing up hearing tunes and songs all the time and then spitting it all back out again, but processed, not regurgitated. He did use traditional melodies intact for songs as well, I wish I had some examples. I must be getting lazy.
I don't give a toss whether they are traditional or will become traditional or not. It's irrelevant. But while Shane is undeniably a genius songwriter and performer, the rest of his backing band are just plain useless. Not one of them can play. They are quite simply, rubbish.
And if anyone has such a rubbish ear that they need sheet music to play such rubbish? Well, what more can I say.
Michael, please. They were just exactly what Shane needed to deliver his sublime (at times) songs. Add musicianly polish and you lose three-quarters of it. I love Christy to bits but when he sings Shane's songs with all that polish and production, well, they just don't work the same do they? Go and have another listen to Summer In Siam and still tell me they're a pop group.
Sure, they went mainstream (more punk than pop, but whatever). And they weren't a trad band (and never claimed to be).
But they took trad and made something new and interesting with it, while remaining respectful of the spirit of the music. In hindsight they look better than ever, now that we have garbage like Celtic Woman to compare them to.
Credit where credit is due. The Pogues made something good and unique out of traditional music, without crapping all over the tradition it came from. Much respect to them.
They are/were certainly not musicians. Anyone who thinks they are must have a dismally low baseline to measure against.
Yes, they were just exactly what Shane needed to deliver his sublime (at times) songs. I can't argue with that. But please judge them with their peers, What punk did was to destroy the myth that you had to be able to play in order to communicate your message on a visceral level. They even proved that - with the exception of the drummer (you always need a good drummer) - it can even be advantageous to not be able to play. It puts you more in touch with your audience, and there's the rub. It's all about that old chestnut "audience".
So, if you think that you can communicate the spirit of diddley music on a visceral level without being able to play, then fair play to you. just don't do it anywhere near me.
No, they were a punk band, grown from the seed of 'the music'. This isn't obvious? Thank goodness for it. At least punk is genuine, like 'the music', not affected and fake like pop. If The Pogues wanted to make money, they would have been making the crap that was popular at the time in England, Depeche Mode, The Cure, The Thompson Twins. [shudder] A happy accident they managed to make money and become popular, however, it was thanks to their being genuine, honest, heartfelt and without false affectations like some cheesed up pop band with hairspray and eyeliner.
Also interesting that some bemoan the cleaned up technical dazzle of some musicos today and celebrate the grimy, earthy sounds of yesteryear. If the grimy auld ones had cleaned up their act and played with more technical dazzle, would we love them so much?
Catch 22. Gimme heart and soul, I couldn't care less if you passed your level whatever exams. Punk is heart and soul, as is 'the music'. Technical brilliance is lovely, but without soul it's cold and icy, classical music. Conversely, heart and soul without any skill is pretty weak as well.
So yeah, if you're playing 'the music' play it with skill and oomph, please. If you're playing punk, it doesn't matter, just heavy on the oomph. Wither The Pogues? Born of 'the music' and made punk rock out of it. Brilliant. Launched a see of imitation. Check out every punk rock kid in America with a paddy cap and a Dropkick Murphys T Shirt on a skateboard.
Besides, you have to hand it to Spider Stacey for learning the whistle and giving up playing the beer tray with his head. Technical brilliance. Why doesn't Comhaltas have a beer tray section? Elitists...grumble mumble... [/sarcasm]
except he didn't learn the whistle did he? I'm not saying he should have, it's his choice. He could have learned to play it, but he didn't feel the need. (Or at least I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike that dreadful Cors wifey who thinks she can play)
Don't think that you ever got Punk attitude, Michael! Whether you
like it or not, it was relevant to the wider music scene by giving it a good kicking. Anyway, I'm just off to see Ben Lennon and Seamus Quinn with Cathal McConnell in Enniskillen in half an hour, followed by Tommy Peoples and friends later this evening as part of the Enniskillen Arts Festival.
You can be a good band without being good musicians.
Conversely, many good individual musicians have been terrible in bands.
I agree with Michael to the extent that there is nothing in the Pogues music that you couldn't learn by ear. You are not likely to make a good job of it if you learn off the page.
I have spent time in an outfit that played MacGowan's songs and arrangements of trad songs and have nothing but respect for the man's music. The more you play his songs the more they open out for you. I realise that the likes of the Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly got their idea from the Pogues but they haven't produced anything that moves me in the same way.
They appeal to people who love to say that they are Irish, or who want to be Irish, or who have Irish roots. People who brag that they love traditonal Irish music such as 'The Irish Rover' and 'Dirty Old Town' (I know..I know it's about Salford, but we made it Irish) People who wouldn't know the difference between a jig and a reel if it jumped up and bit them in the face. How do I know all this....because for years I played Irish Trad in London and not once did my nephews or nieces (all London born) come to hear me or ask me about the music but when the Pogues came on the scene ....they found their roots overnight. However they still haven't come to hear me or ask me about the music .....maybe it's because I still have all my own teeth and don't drink,smoke, or swear on stage.
I can vouch for free reeds teeth... but dont you have to have a row of condemned houses like our shaney and be sick on your wheelchair on stage to get the nephews and nieces asking questions.....
Oh, and on musicianship, wasnt James Mcnally an all Ireland winning whistle player?
And Terry Woods isn't considered such a bad musician, is he?
And Brian Kelly and Tom McManaman played with him in The Popes.
I don't know - as I said, it's about a band sound and feeling and I for one am not going to stand at a Pogues gig analysing the individual musicianship.
One trad melody used by MacGowan, though not with the Pogues, is that of Barnyards of Delgaty for "Rock'n'Roll Paddy"
I wrote an e-mail to Spider to ask him about the beer tray on the head thing. He replied by telling me the beer tray on the head was done ONCE, for a video. The actual sound was made with a hammer on a anvil for the recording.
Gawd I love the Pogues. Shane was awesome and the rest of the band is unreal... sublime Irish musicians. (take THAT llig :-p )
Shane for President! (oh wait, he's not qualified either! DAMN!!!)
Interesting to see Tom McManaman mentioned earlier on. I believe he is a son of the late Tom and Kathleen McManaman who used to run that great Irish Traditional Pub 'The Favourite' in Holloway London back in the sixties. Indeed I remember the little curly headed lad running around the bar. At that time just a few doors away from the pub was the house of another kid whose parents John and Kathleen were regular music fans in the pub. That kid went on to become Johnny Rotten.
Pogues
Pogues
Controversial band on this site I'm well aware of that but anyhow anybody got music to any of there instrumentals. Surely cant be found on the tunes part anyway! Cheers!
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by deisendoolin
Re: Pogues
Here's a good 'un:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4865
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by fidkid
Re: Pogues
Dirty Old Town is in the tunes base. I vaguely remember putting it in there.
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by nicholas
POAG MA HOANEE
Can't understand why they are perceived as "controversial" here when, as years go by, they seem as increasingly nostalgically traditional as any other combo doing "Irish" from WENNEFFAH.
And very famous, relatively speaking!
Only po-faced ouinquers would not appreciate what Shane and his mob have done/ are doing to preserve and elevate the idea of "Trad Irish" in the general culture (of London and maybe the rest of world).
By the way, since they are considered by the rest of the world as Mainstream, try Googling "TABS" for them or even "CHORDS" or wotteffah...
Have a good weekend,
LUV
YHAAL
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by yhaalhouse
Re: Pogues
Here's a couple more tunes that turn up in Pogues songs: Lark in the Morning, When Sick is it Tea You Want (they're also in the database).
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by John Galt
Re: Pogues
Thanks people, loving young ned of the hill!! Keep em comng! Anyone know of bring down the lamp (popes instrumental) or wildcats of kk on rum sodomy & the lash
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by deisendoolin
Re: Pogues
Tunes. The Dingle Regatta from Red Roses for Me. They launch into the A of The Kesh in Sea Shanty, same album, then they go into the B of something else in that same song, can't remember what it is.
They processed tunes and they snuck out in their compositions. Shane in particular with the melodies for his songs are just his brain chewing on growing up hearing tunes and songs all the time and then spitting it all back out again, but processed, not regurgitated. He did use traditional melodies intact for songs as well, I wish I had some examples. I must be getting lazy.
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Pogues
I don't give a toss whether they are traditional or will become traditional or not. It's irrelevant. But while Shane is undeniably a genius songwriter and performer, the rest of his backing band are just plain useless. Not one of them can play. They are quite simply, rubbish.
And if anyone has such a rubbish ear that they need sheet music to play such rubbish? Well, what more can I say.
# Posted on October 3rd 2008 by ...
Re: Pogues
Oh, ... come off it. I even have trouble using the word musician. They're just a pop group
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by ...
Re: Pogues
Michael, please. They were just exactly what Shane needed to deliver his sublime (at times) songs. Add musicianly polish and you lose three-quarters of it. I love Christy to bits but when he sings Shane's songs with all that polish and production, well, they just don't work the same do they? Go and have another listen to Summer In Siam and still tell me they're a pop group.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Steve Shaw
Re: Pogues
Sure, they went mainstream (more punk than pop, but whatever). And they weren't a trad band (and never claimed to be).
But they took trad and made something new and interesting with it, while remaining respectful of the spirit of the music. In hindsight they look better than ever, now that we have garbage like Celtic Woman to compare them to.
Credit where credit is due. The Pogues made something good and unique out of traditional music, without crapping all over the tradition it came from. Much respect to them.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Pogues
I saw them in 1983, a dismal thrash pub band.
They are/were certainly not musicians. Anyone who thinks they are must have a dismally low baseline to measure against.
Yes, they were just exactly what Shane needed to deliver his sublime (at times) songs. I can't argue with that. But please judge them with their peers, What punk did was to destroy the myth that you had to be able to play in order to communicate your message on a visceral level. They even proved that - with the exception of the drummer (you always need a good drummer) - it can even be advantageous to not be able to play. It puts you more in touch with your audience, and there's the rub. It's all about that old chestnut "audience".
So, if you think that you can communicate the spirit of diddley music on a visceral level without being able to play, then fair play to you. just don't do it anywhere near me.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by ...
Re: Pogues
So who was saying The Pogues were a trad band?
No, they were a punk band, grown from the seed of 'the music'. This isn't obvious? Thank goodness for it. At least punk is genuine, like 'the music', not affected and fake like pop. If The Pogues wanted to make money, they would have been making the crap that was popular at the time in England, Depeche Mode, The Cure, The Thompson Twins. [shudder] A happy accident they managed to make money and become popular, however, it was thanks to their being genuine, honest, heartfelt and without false affectations like some cheesed up pop band with hairspray and eyeliner.
Also interesting that some bemoan the cleaned up technical dazzle of some musicos today and celebrate the grimy, earthy sounds of yesteryear. If the grimy auld ones had cleaned up their act and played with more technical dazzle, would we love them so much?
Catch 22. Gimme heart and soul, I couldn't care less if you passed your level whatever exams. Punk is heart and soul, as is 'the music'. Technical brilliance is lovely, but without soul it's cold and icy, classical music. Conversely, heart and soul without any skill is pretty weak as well.
So yeah, if you're playing 'the music' play it with skill and oomph, please. If you're playing punk, it doesn't matter, just heavy on the oomph. Wither The Pogues? Born of 'the music' and made punk rock out of it. Brilliant. Launched a see of imitation. Check out every punk rock kid in America with a paddy cap and a Dropkick Murphys T Shirt on a skateboard.
Besides, you have to hand it to Spider Stacey for learning the whistle and giving up playing the beer tray with his head. Technical brilliance. Why doesn't Comhaltas have a beer tray section? Elitists...grumble mumble... [/sarcasm]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAufzEH0ZMY
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Pogues
except he didn't learn the whistle did he? I'm not saying he should have, it's his choice. He could have learned to play it, but he didn't feel the need. (Or at least I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, unlike that dreadful Cors wifey who thinks she can play)
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by ...
Re: Pogues
Don't think that you ever got Punk attitude, Michael! Whether you
like it or not, it was relevant to the wider music scene by giving it a good kicking. Anyway, I'm just off to see Ben Lennon and Seamus Quinn with Cathal McConnell in Enniskillen in half an hour, followed by Tommy Peoples and friends later this evening as part of the Enniskillen Arts Festival.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by strayaway
Re: Pogues
You can be a good band without being good musicians.
Conversely, many good individual musicians have been terrible in bands.
I agree with Michael to the extent that there is nothing in the Pogues music that you couldn't learn by ear. You are not likely to make a good job of it if you learn off the page.
I have spent time in an outfit that played MacGowan's songs and arrangements of trad songs and have nothing but respect for the man's music. The more you play his songs the more they open out for you. I realise that the likes of the Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly got their idea from the Pogues but they haven't produced anything that moves me in the same way.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Bren
Re: Pogues
They appeal to people who love to say that they are Irish, or who want to be Irish, or who have Irish roots. People who brag that they love traditonal Irish music such as 'The Irish Rover' and 'Dirty Old Town' (I know..I know it's about Salford, but we made it Irish) People who wouldn't know the difference between a jig and a reel if it jumped up and bit them in the face. How do I know all this....because for years I played Irish Trad in London and not once did my nephews or nieces (all London born) come to hear me or ask me about the music but when the Pogues came on the scene ....they found their roots overnight. However they still haven't come to hear me or ask me about the music .....maybe it's because I still have all my own teeth and don't drink,smoke, or swear on stage.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Free Reed
Re: Pogues
My teeth are all my own too, FR, and I've got the receipts to prove it.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Bren
Re: Pogues
I can vouch for free reeds teeth... but dont you have to have a row of condemned houses like our shaney and be sick on your wheelchair on stage to get the nephews and nieces asking questions.....
Oh, and on musicianship, wasnt James Mcnally an all Ireland winning whistle player?
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by banjoburger
Re: Pogues
And Terry Woods isn't considered such a bad musician, is he?
And Brian Kelly and Tom McManaman played with him in The Popes.
I don't know - as I said, it's about a band sound and feeling and I for one am not going to stand at a Pogues gig analysing the individual musicianship.
One trad melody used by MacGowan, though not with the Pogues, is that of Barnyards of Delgaty for "Rock'n'Roll Paddy"
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by Bren
Re: Pogues
Llig: "except he didn't learn the whistle did he?"
LOL!!!1!
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Pogues
...and Terry Woods, yeah, he helped them tremendously.
# Posted on October 4th 2008 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: Pogues
I wrote an e-mail to Spider to ask him about the beer tray on the head thing. He replied by telling me the beer tray on the head was done ONCE, for a video. The actual sound was made with a hammer on a anvil for the recording.
Gawd I love the Pogues. Shane was awesome and the rest of the band is unreal... sublime Irish musicians. (take THAT llig :-p )
Shane for President! (oh wait, he's not qualified either! DAMN!!!)
# Posted on October 5th 2008 by Fishmonger
Re: Pogues
Interesting to see Tom McManaman mentioned earlier on. I believe he is a son of the late Tom and Kathleen McManaman who used to run that great Irish Traditional Pub 'The Favourite' in Holloway London back in the sixties. Indeed I remember the little curly headed lad running around the bar. At that time just a few doors away from the pub was the house of another kid whose parents John and Kathleen were regular music fans in the pub. That kid went on to become Johnny Rotten.
# Posted on October 6th 2008 by Free Reed
Re: Pogues
Tommy Keane...
# Posted on October 6th 2008 by pipewatcher
Re: Pogues
Anyone who analyses the pogues as individual musicians would really want to analyse themselves first. i f*cking hate music snobbery!
The Pogues are and were fantastic.
# Posted on October 11th 2008 by scully